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  Celcius

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Joined: 7/20/04
Posts: 929

1/02/13 7:48:22 PM#41
Originally posted by hikaru77
Originally posted by Celcius
Originally posted by FrodoFragins
Originally posted by superniceguy

 I play LOTRO and it definately is less restrictive than SWTOR. The thing I like about it, is that you can earn Turbine points as you play - you get awarded for playing the game. The only way to earn CC is by paying

No it's not.  In SWTOR you level to the current cap without paying any cash.  Good luck doing that in LOTRO, just the vanilla level cap, just by questing.  You'll need to grind a LOT of mobs and deeds.  That's VERY restrictive in my book.

 

I don't think you can call an MMO F2P if it doesn't give you the released zones and quests for free.  There shouldn't be anything in an MMO store for unlocking quests to get you to the release level cap.  They shouldn't exist because that content should be free.  SWTOR got that part right.

Then by your own words SWTOR is not free to play. You can't do operations, you have to buy access to flashpoints more then a few times a week...and warzones. Don't you have to buy daily quest hubs in SWTOR? You even have to buy access to space missions! I agree that with LOTRO you need to pay a sub to enjoy the game, but you need to do it in SWTOR as well. The story is not that compelling in general for most class stories, and even the good ones don't compare to any single player RPG Bioware has ever made. 

But let's not compare SWTOR to LOTRO, lets compare it to another game that is currently free. Planetside 2, a game where you don't need to pay a cent to access all the content. Sure, there are boosters and whatnot, but the same is available in SWTOR. Thats not the argument here, wether SWTOR is P2W or not is irrelevent. The argument is wether or not SWTOR has a restrictive F2P model. The more modern F2P model is something you see in PS2. I can assure you that game is earning more money then SWTOR is. 

Not to mention that GW2 also exists. GW2 has no sub and offers just as much content, if not significantly more (we will see over the next couple of months), then SWTOR. Sure, it's B2P but that buy in is certainly getting cheaper. The buy in for SWTOR will always remain the same to access the whole game without restrictions: 15$ a month. 

1) SWTOR is not F2P, is a P2P MMO with a free to play option.

2) GW2 is B2P and the population drop of active players was huge compared with swtor after 3 months, even now.

2) The F2P model on SWTOR is a success, that is out of discussion, they are earning new players, new subs and more money, so why they will change?. 

4)GW2 more content than SWTOR?, just no. 

 

 

1) Is this guy for real? In that case, every F2P game is a P2P MMO with a free to play option. Planetside 2 has a sub option.

2)There is no evidence of a population drop of active players.  http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/11/07/ncsoft-3q-report-shows-gw2-at-top-of-global-sales/

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/12/30/korean-analysts-predict-guild-wars-2-expansion-in-2013/

Guess that means they are losing players? Lol. 

3) (because you can't count properly) All new mmos earn new players at a F2P launch, duh. Give it time. There may be new subs, but less subs now then there were a few months ago. 

4) SWTOR has added 1 new operation, a daily quest area, space mission "heroic modes" and like 2 new space missions, and a warzone. In that time frame GW2 has added tons of new events, a new spvp map, new mini dungeons, fractals (which is 9 new mini dungeons) and 3 massive events with tons of content each. Not to mention a whole new zone. Sure, some of thats temporary content, but it still is content. I would say wether or not GW2 has added more content is debatable. Thing is, you have to pay to enjoy most of that content in SWTOR. Space missions: Buy a pass, Warzone: Buy a pass, Operation: pay a sub, buy daily area.

Just wait until a couple of months from now when all you have is a failed illum revamp and GW2 has 2 more content patches. 

Move along to a thread where you argument actually holds onto the straws you are attempting to grab.

  Sevenstar61

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Joined: 7/22/12
Posts: 1480

"But it was so artistically done..." - Grand Admiral Thrawn's final words

1/02/13 7:48:38 PM#42
Originally posted by hikaru77
Originally posted by Celcius
Originally posted by FrodoFragins
Originally posted by superniceguy

 I play LOTRO and it definately is less restrictive than SWTOR. The thing I like about it, is that you can earn Turbine points as you play - you get awarded for playing the game. The only way to earn CC is by paying

No it's not.  In SWTOR you level to the current cap without paying any cash.  Good luck doing that in LOTRO, just the vanilla level cap, just by questing.  You'll need to grind a LOT of mobs and deeds.  That's VERY restrictive in my book.

 

I don't think you can call an MMO F2P if it doesn't give you the released zones and quests for free.  There shouldn't be anything in an MMO store for unlocking quests to get you to the release level cap.  They shouldn't exist because that content should be free.  SWTOR got that part right.

Then by your own words SWTOR is not free to play. You can't do operations, you have to buy access to flashpoints more then a few times a week...and warzones. Don't you have to buy daily quest hubs in SWTOR? You even have to buy access to space missions! I agree that with LOTRO you need to pay a sub to enjoy the game, but you need to do it in SWTOR as well. The story is not that compelling in general for most class stories, and even the good ones don't compare to any single player RPG Bioware has ever made. 

But let's not compare SWTOR to LOTRO, lets compare it to another game that is currently free. Planetside 2, a game where you don't need to pay a cent to access all the content. Sure, there are boosters and whatnot, but the same is available in SWTOR. Thats not the argument here, wether SWTOR is P2W or not is irrelevent. The argument is wether or not SWTOR has a restrictive F2P model. The more modern F2P model is something you see in PS2. I can assure you that game is earning more money then SWTOR is. 

Not to mention that GW2 also exists. GW2 has no sub and offers just as much content, if not significantly more (we will see over the next couple of months), then SWTOR. Sure, it's B2P but that buy in is certainly getting cheaper. The buy in for SWTOR will always remain the same to access the whole game without restrictions: 15$ a month. 

1) SWTOR is not F2P, is a P2P MMO with a free to play option.

2) GW2 is B2P and the population drop of active players was huge compared with swtor after 3 months, even now.

2) The F2P model on SWTOR is a success, that is out of discussion, they are earning new players, new subs and more money, so why they will change?. 

4)GW2 more content than SWTOR?, just no. 

 

 

Somebody said that you have to look at a newbie areas to see if the game is growing... and I check them on my server every day... newbie areas are packed every day... in fact there are more players on first planets right now then it was when they introduced F2P. And it's moving up slowly to higher level planets.

In general chat you can see many comments about players saying that they just subbed... from F2P status.

Maybe it's just my server, but there are no negative comments in general chat about game, there is lots of grouping going on and hunts for WBs. There are plenty of random group invites while questing LOL, which I take most of the time, though I am not fan of it.

People are very helpful, it's a pleasure to be in such great community. I remember one person stucked in some very bizzare place on Taris two days ago and she could not get unstucked for some reason... she picked really bad spot to stand LOL,  and her call was down. She asked for help and immediately  about 10 people ran to her location trying to figure out how to get her out... finally they managed to kill her... still not sure how...  but it worked.  It was reall fun to watch them scratching their head over it... but willing to do no matter what to help... well it was Pub side... /grin... good luck with it in Empire LOL j/k

 


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  JKwervo

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Joined: 6/27/12
Posts: 140

1/02/13 7:51:50 PM#43
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by hikaru77
Originally posted by Celcius
Originally posted by FrodoFragins
Originally posted by superniceguy

 I play LOTRO and it definately is less restrictive than SWTOR. The thing I like about it, is that you can earn Turbine points as you play - you get awarded for playing the game. The only way to earn CC is by paying

No it's not.  In SWTOR you level to the current cap without paying any cash.  Good luck doing that in LOTRO, just the vanilla level cap, just by questing.  You'll need to grind a LOT of mobs and deeds.  That's VERY restrictive in my book.

 

I don't think you can call an MMO F2P if it doesn't give you the released zones and quests for free.  There shouldn't be anything in an MMO store for unlocking quests to get you to the release level cap.  They shouldn't exist because that content should be free.  SWTOR got that part right.

Then by your own words SWTOR is not free to play. You can't do operations, you have to buy access to flashpoints more then a few times a week...and warzones. Don't you have to buy daily quest hubs in SWTOR? You even have to buy access to space missions! I agree that with LOTRO you need to pay a sub to enjoy the game, but you need to do it in SWTOR as well. The story is not that compelling in general for most class stories, and even the good ones don't compare to any single player RPG Bioware has ever made. 

But let's not compare SWTOR to LOTRO, lets compare it to another game that is currently free. Planetside 2, a game where you don't need to pay a cent to access all the content. Sure, there are boosters and whatnot, but the same is available in SWTOR. Thats not the argument here, wether SWTOR is P2W or not is irrelevent. The argument is wether or not SWTOR has a restrictive F2P model. The more modern F2P model is something you see in PS2. I can assure you that game is earning more money then SWTOR is. 

Not to mention that GW2 also exists. GW2 has no sub and offers just as much content, if not significantly more (we will see over the next couple of months), then SWTOR. Sure, it's B2P but that buy in is certainly getting cheaper. The buy in for SWTOR will always remain the same to access the whole game without restrictions: 15$ a month. 

1) SWTOR is not F2P, is a P2P MMO with a free to play option.

2) GW2 is B2P and the population drop of active players was huge compared with swtor after 3 months, even now.

2) The F2P model on SWTOR is a success, that is out of discussion, they are earning new players, new subs and more money, so why they will change?. 

4)GW2 more content than SWTOR?, just no. 

 

 

Somebody said that you have to look at a newbie areas to see if the game is growing... and I check them on my server every day... newbie areas are packed every day... in fact there are more players on first planets right now then it was when they introduced F2P. And it's moving up slowly to higher level planets.

In general chat you can see many comments about players saying that they just subbed... from F2P status.

Maybe it's just my server, but there are no negative comments in general chat about game, there is lots of grouping going on and hunts for WBs. There are plenty of random group invites while questing LOL, which I take most of the time, though I am not fan of it.

People are very helpful, it's a pleasure to be in such great community. I remember one person stucked in some very bizzare place on Taris two days ago and she could not get unstucked for some reason... she picked really bad spot to stand LOL,  and her call was down. She asked for help and immediately  about 10 people ran to her location trying to figure out how to get her out... finally they managed to kill her... still not sure how...  but it worked.  It was reall fun to watch them scratching their head over it... but willing to do no matter what to help... well it was Pub side... /grin... good luck with it in Empire LOL j/k

 

That's funny, I have a few friends that are still playing it, and they say the exact opposite. Go figure right?
Which is what is pushing them to unsub, due to the vitriol comments about F2Pers.

  Celcius

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Joined: 7/20/04
Posts: 929

1/02/13 7:52:35 PM#44
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by hikaru77
Originally posted by Celcius
Originally posted by FrodoFragins
Originally posted by superniceguy

 I play LOTRO and it definately is less restrictive than SWTOR. The thing I like about it, is that you can earn Turbine points as you play - you get awarded for playing the game. The only way to earn CC is by paying

No it's not.  In SWTOR you level to the current cap without paying any cash.  Good luck doing that in LOTRO, just the vanilla level cap, just by questing.  You'll need to grind a LOT of mobs and deeds.  That's VERY restrictive in my book.

 

I don't think you can call an MMO F2P if it doesn't give you the released zones and quests for free.  There shouldn't be anything in an MMO store for unlocking quests to get you to the release level cap.  They shouldn't exist because that content should be free.  SWTOR got that part right.

Then by your own words SWTOR is not free to play. You can't do operations, you have to buy access to flashpoints more then a few times a week...and warzones. Don't you have to buy daily quest hubs in SWTOR? You even have to buy access to space missions! I agree that with LOTRO you need to pay a sub to enjoy the game, but you need to do it in SWTOR as well. The story is not that compelling in general for most class stories, and even the good ones don't compare to any single player RPG Bioware has ever made. 

But let's not compare SWTOR to LOTRO, lets compare it to another game that is currently free. Planetside 2, a game where you don't need to pay a cent to access all the content. Sure, there are boosters and whatnot, but the same is available in SWTOR. Thats not the argument here, wether SWTOR is P2W or not is irrelevent. The argument is wether or not SWTOR has a restrictive F2P model. The more modern F2P model is something you see in PS2. I can assure you that game is earning more money then SWTOR is. 

Not to mention that GW2 also exists. GW2 has no sub and offers just as much content, if not significantly more (we will see over the next couple of months), then SWTOR. Sure, it's B2P but that buy in is certainly getting cheaper. The buy in for SWTOR will always remain the same to access the whole game without restrictions: 15$ a month. 

1) SWTOR is not F2P, is a P2P MMO with a free to play option.

2) GW2 is B2P and the population drop of active players was huge compared with swtor after 3 months, even now.

2) The F2P model on SWTOR is a success, that is out of discussion, they are earning new players, new subs and more money, so why they will change?. 

4)GW2 more content than SWTOR?, just no. 

 

 

Somebody said that you have to look at a newbie areas to see if the game is growing... and I check them on my server every day... newbie areas are packed every day... in fact there are more players on first planets right now then it was when they introduced F2P. And it's moving up slowly to higher level planets.

In general chat you can see many comments about players saying that they just subbed... from F2P status.

Maybe it's just my server, but there are no negative comments in general chat about game, there is lots of grouping going on and hunts for WBs. There are plenty of random group invites while questing LOL, which I take most of the time, though I am not fan of it.

People are very helpful, it's a pleasure to be in such great community. I remember one person stucked in some very bizzare place on Taris two days ago and she could not get unstucked for some reason... she picked really bad spot to stand LOL,  and her call was down. She asked for help and immediately  about 10 people ran to her location trying to figure out how to get her out... finally they managed to kill her... still not sure how...  but it worked.  It was reall fun to watch them scratching their head over it... but willing to do no matter what to help... well it was Pub side... /grin... good luck with it in Empire LOL j/k

 

I have a pair of rose tinted glasses too.

  Sevenstar61

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Joined: 7/22/12
Posts: 1480

"But it was so artistically done..." - Grand Admiral Thrawn's final words

1/02/13 8:05:20 PM#45
Originally posted by Celcius
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by hikaru77
Originally posted by Celcius
Originally posted by FrodoFragins
Originally posted by superniceguy

 I play LOTRO and it definately is less restrictive than SWTOR. The thing I like about it, is that you can earn Turbine points as you play - you get awarded for playing the game. The only way to earn CC is by paying

No it's not.  In SWTOR you level to the current cap without paying any cash.  Good luck doing that in LOTRO, just the vanilla level cap, just by questing.  You'll need to grind a LOT of mobs and deeds.  That's VERY restrictive in my book.

 

I don't think you can call an MMO F2P if it doesn't give you the released zones and quests for free.  There shouldn't be anything in an MMO store for unlocking quests to get you to the release level cap.  They shouldn't exist because that content should be free.  SWTOR got that part right.

Then by your own words SWTOR is not free to play. You can't do operations, you have to buy access to flashpoints more then a few times a week...and warzones. Don't you have to buy daily quest hubs in SWTOR? You even have to buy access to space missions! I agree that with LOTRO you need to pay a sub to enjoy the game, but you need to do it in SWTOR as well. The story is not that compelling in general for most class stories, and even the good ones don't compare to any single player RPG Bioware has ever made. 

But let's not compare SWTOR to LOTRO, lets compare it to another game that is currently free. Planetside 2, a game where you don't need to pay a cent to access all the content. Sure, there are boosters and whatnot, but the same is available in SWTOR. Thats not the argument here, wether SWTOR is P2W or not is irrelevent. The argument is wether or not SWTOR has a restrictive F2P model. The more modern F2P model is something you see in PS2. I can assure you that game is earning more money then SWTOR is. 

Not to mention that GW2 also exists. GW2 has no sub and offers just as much content, if not significantly more (we will see over the next couple of months), then SWTOR. Sure, it's B2P but that buy in is certainly getting cheaper. The buy in for SWTOR will always remain the same to access the whole game without restrictions: 15$ a month. 

1) SWTOR is not F2P, is a P2P MMO with a free to play option.

2) GW2 is B2P and the population drop of active players was huge compared with swtor after 3 months, even now.

2) The F2P model on SWTOR is a success, that is out of discussion, they are earning new players, new subs and more money, so why they will change?. 

4)GW2 more content than SWTOR?, just no. 

 

 

Somebody said that you have to look at a newbie areas to see if the game is growing... and I check them on my server every day... newbie areas are packed every day... in fact there are more players on first planets right now then it was when they introduced F2P. And it's moving up slowly to higher level planets.

In general chat you can see many comments about players saying that they just subbed... from F2P status.

Maybe it's just my server, but there are no negative comments in general chat about game, there is lots of grouping going on and hunts for WBs. There are plenty of random group invites while questing LOL, which I take most of the time, though I am not fan of it.

People are very helpful, it's a pleasure to be in such great community. I remember one person stucked in some very bizzare place on Taris two days ago and she could not get unstucked for some reason... she picked really bad spot to stand LOL,  and her call was down. She asked for help and immediately  about 10 people ran to her location trying to figure out how to get her out... finally they managed to kill her... still not sure how...  but it worked.  It was reall fun to watch them scratching their head over it... but willing to do no matter what to help... well it was Pub side... /grin... good luck with it in Empire LOL j/k

 

I have a pair of rose tinted glasses too.

Check by yourself... download a game and check newbie areas... everybody can do it... :)


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  Celcius

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1/02/13 8:11:04 PM#46

Sorry I am not going to use 30 gigs of bandwith to download a game I know I stopped enjoying months ago. 

Did you buy one of those 18$ speeders with lights on it too? (The one that costs as much as the expansion for free players and MORE for sub...)

  Sevenstar61

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"But it was so artistically done..." - Grand Admiral Thrawn's final words

1/02/13 9:56:07 PM#47
Originally posted by Celcius

Sorry I am not going to use 30 gigs of bandwith to download a game I know I stopped enjoying months ago. 

Did you buy one of those 18$ speeders with lights on it too? (The one that costs as much as the expansion for free players and MORE for sub...)

Nope, I am not  fan of ridiculous stuff... the only thing from life day stuff  I got is a tinsel bomb... which is pretty cool... and some fireworks /grin

But I got plenty of cartel boxes LOL... 


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Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
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  JKwervo

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1/02/13 10:44:04 PM#48
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

But I got plenty of cartel boxes LOL... 

That's all that needs to be said......

 

/facepalm

  bakabröd

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1/03/13 2:08:07 AM#49

so i finally get to play hide the sausage in the shower with chewbacca?

 

  DashiDMV

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1/03/13 3:16:23 AM#50
Originally posted by bakabröd

so i finally get to play hide the sausage in the shower with chewbacca?

 

Well it looks like only NPCs from the expansion so I guess I'll keep my eye out  for Jabba the Slut.

 

Also Jeff Hickman is a tool.

  skeaser

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1/03/13 3:24:19 AM#51
The first thing they need to do is fix the damn codex. It's really hard to gun for 100% completion of a planet when there's so many bugged entries.


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  ignore_me

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1/03/13 3:36:01 AM#52
what did they do to make the framerate so bad on SWTOR? when I used to play it ran fine but now its a slide show.

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  Coolit

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1/03/13 5:58:08 AM#53
snip

 

 

1) Is this guy for real? In that case, every F2P game is a P2P MMO with a free to play option. Planetside 2 has a sub option.

2)There is no evidence of a population drop of active players.  http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/11/07/ncsoft-3q-report-shows-gw2-at-top-of-global-sales/

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/12/30/korean-analysts-predict-guild-wars-2-expansion-in-2013/

Guess that means they are losing players? Lol. 

3) (because you can't count properly) All new mmos earn new players at a F2P launch, duh. Give it time. There may be new subs, but less subs now then there were a few months ago. 

4) SWTOR has added 1 new operation, a daily quest area, space mission "heroic modes" and like 2 new space missions, and a warzone. In that time frame GW2 has added tons of new events, a new spvp map, new mini dungeons, fractals (which is 9 new mini dungeons) and 3 massive events with tons of content each. Not to mention a whole new zone. Sure, some of thats temporary content, but it still is content. I would say wether or not GW2 has added more content is debatable. Thing is, you have to pay to enjoy most of that content in SWTOR. Space missions: Buy a pass, Warzone: Buy a pass, Operation: pay a sub, buy daily area.

Just wait until a couple of months from now when all you have is a failed illum revamp and GW2 has 2 more content patches. 

Move along to a thread where you argument actually holds onto the straws you are attempting to grab.

Just to add to what you're saying, I played GW2 at launch, took a break and started playing again before Christmas and the first time I logged in checked the servers to see how the population had faired and to my surprise the servers were still packed, many showing high, several full and the rest medium, GW2 is showing no signs of a mass population drop off. I think I agree about the content also, the January and February updates are meant to be so large for GW2 you can call them an expansion according to the last interview so I don’t think the less content argument will hold water soon.

 

It's going to be interesting to see what is done with Illum as it was a major let down at launch, all the other additions sound great but actions speak louder than words so I reserve judgment until I see how things pan out.

  Fdzzaigl

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1/03/13 6:02:46 AM#54

Well, if they really, seriously do something about the PvP in the game to make it less of a grind, I might consider giving it another whirl in a few months, despite the horrible F2P model.

I did enjoy PvP tremendously in TOR, even though the warzones turned into a massive borefest. I attained Elite Warlord in valor, without ever participating in the Ilum massacre (was republic).

They have a chance to start with a clean slate for all players with the level cap raised to 55 and to step away from grinding expertise so you can own the poor sods who came later than you for weeks.

  davestr1zl

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1/03/13 7:27:39 AM#55
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by hikaru77
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by SuperDonk

Once I accepted SWTOR for what it is - a fun online co-op game with many MMO-like features - I was able to have fun with it.

 

I do know that SWTOR is not a Massive Multiplayer Online game - there will never be massive battles on the planets or in space. I enjoy the PVP it does have but I know this game will never be the long-term game I was hoping for. It will be a game I return for a few months when I get the itch and leave when the itch has been scratched.

Which is why the F2P should not be as restrictive as it is or have a monthly fee, and basically be like TSW - B2P

I would pay a monthly fee to Red Dead Redemption before I pay a fee for this, at least it got updated more often, and the last update was free as thanks from Rockstar for the support players gave it.

Games like Star Wars battlefriont, Jedi Knight and Republic Commando which were released ages ago, and Jedi Knight was before SWG, are still being played online by people today - These are the best places for online Star Wars action.

If you believe that the F2P model on SWTOR is restrictive, dont play Lotro or AoC. And maybe u didnt notice it yet, but TOR is earning new players and subs everyday, so far the F2P is an success.

 I play LOTRO and it definately is less restrictive than SWTOR. The thing I like about it, is that you can earn Turbine points as you play - you get awarded for playing the game. The only way to earn CC is by paying

Also  can purchase more than 2 char slots, with 17 max

The only way to earn CC is by paying real money, correct, but anything bought with CC can be bought via the GTN or other players with credits - which you do earn via playing the game

  zzx81

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1/03/13 10:38:36 AM#56
Originally posted by davestr1zl
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by hikaru77
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by SuperDonk

Once I accepted SWTOR for what it is - a fun online co-op game with many MMO-like features - I was able to have fun with it.

 

I do know that SWTOR is not a Massive Multiplayer Online game - there will never be massive battles on the planets or in space. I enjoy the PVP it does have but I know this game will never be the long-term game I was hoping for. It will be a game I return for a few months when I get the itch and leave when the itch has been scratched.

Which is why the F2P should not be as restrictive as it is or have a monthly fee, and basically be like TSW - B2P

I would pay a monthly fee to Red Dead Redemption before I pay a fee for this, at least it got updated more often, and the last update was free as thanks from Rockstar for the support players gave it.

Games like Star Wars battlefriont, Jedi Knight and Republic Commando which were released ages ago, and Jedi Knight was before SWG, are still being played online by people today - These are the best places for online Star Wars action.

If you believe that the F2P model on SWTOR is restrictive, dont play Lotro or AoC. And maybe u didnt notice it yet, but TOR is earning new players and subs everyday, so far the F2P is an success.

 I play LOTRO and it definately is less restrictive than SWTOR. The thing I like about it, is that you can earn Turbine points as you play - you get awarded for playing the game. The only way to earn CC is by paying

Also  can purchase more than 2 char slots, with 17 max

The only way to earn CC is by paying real money, correct, but anything bought with CC can be bought via the GTN or other players with credits - which you do earn via playing the game

 

 

Your reply is only valid when F2P/Prefered Status are able to hold at least 1 or 2 mil of credits.

Who can buy anything from the GTN with such a negligible and minimal amount on the credit cap? So buying CC items from GTN is non-existant. How many items can you find that are sold lower than 350k may i know??

  davestr1zl

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1/04/13 3:10:52 PM#57
Originally posted by zzx81
Originally posted by davestr1zl
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by hikaru77
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by SuperDonk

Once I accepted SWTOR for what it is - a fun online co-op game with many MMO-like features - I was able to have fun with it.

 

I do know that SWTOR is not a Massive Multiplayer Online game - there will never be massive battles on the planets or in space. I enjoy the PVP it does have but I know this game will never be the long-term game I was hoping for. It will be a game I return for a few months when I get the itch and leave when the itch has been scratched.

Which is why the F2P should not be as restrictive as it is or have a monthly fee, and basically be like TSW - B2P

I would pay a monthly fee to Red Dead Redemption before I pay a fee for this, at least it got updated more often, and the last update was free as thanks from Rockstar for the support players gave it.

Games like Star Wars battlefriont, Jedi Knight and Republic Commando which were released ages ago, and Jedi Knight was before SWG, are still being played online by people today - These are the best places for online Star Wars action.

If you believe that the F2P model on SWTOR is restrictive, dont play Lotro or AoC. And maybe u didnt notice it yet, but TOR is earning new players and subs everyday, so far the F2P is an success.

 I play LOTRO and it definately is less restrictive than SWTOR. The thing I like about it, is that you can earn Turbine points as you play - you get awarded for playing the game. The only way to earn CC is by paying

Also  can purchase more than 2 char slots, with 17 max

The only way to earn CC is by paying real money, correct, but anything bought with CC can be bought via the GTN or other players with credits - which you do earn via playing the game

 

 

Your reply is only valid when F2P/Prefered Status are able to hold at least 1 or 2 mil of credits.

Who can buy anything from the GTN with such a negligible and minimal amount on the credit cap? So buying CC items from GTN is non-existant. How many items can you find that are sold lower than 350k may i know??

I've seen virtually EVERY unlock available for well under that price at one point or another. People know now that its stupid to list for higher as it wont sell, so that was only a problem that existed in the first week or 2 and is no longer prevalent. I regularly see the most common ones (inventory unlocks, cargo hold unlocks, customisation unlocks, section X authorizations, the occasional weekly warzone pass, etc) on the GTN practically every single day for well under that price.

Secondly, if they werent listed under that price (which is rare nowdays) you can always trade with players for items of equivalent value like numerous molecular stabilizers or something if the person selling feels its worth significantly more than 350k for whatever reason.

This very second available on the GTN on this server there's 'legacy name unlock' for 55k, over a dozen '10 additional GTN sale slots' for 55k ea, ~10 'inventory unlocks' for 98k ea, 5 quickslot unlocks for 120k ea, over a dozen 'cargo hold unlocks' for 180k ea, 2 'Section X unlocks' for 299k ea..... etc

  pioneer08

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1/04/13 4:23:32 PM#58
Originally posted by JKwervo
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by hikaru77
Originally posted by Celcius
Originally posted by FrodoFragins
Originally posted by superniceguy

 I play LOTRO and it definately is less restrictive than SWTOR. The thing I like about it, is that you can earn Turbine points as you play - you get awarded for playing the game. The only way to earn CC is by paying

No it's not.  In SWTOR you level to the current cap without paying any cash.  Good luck doing that in LOTRO, just the vanilla level cap, just by questing.  You'll need to grind a LOT of mobs and deeds.  That's VERY restrictive in my book.

 

I don't think you can call an MMO F2P if it doesn't give you the released zones and quests for free.  There shouldn't be anything in an MMO store for unlocking quests to get you to the release level cap.  They shouldn't exist because that content should be free.  SWTOR got that part right.

Then by your own words SWTOR is not free to play. You can't do operations, you have to buy access to flashpoints more then a few times a week...and warzones. Don't you have to buy daily quest hubs in SWTOR? You even have to buy access to space missions! I agree that with LOTRO you need to pay a sub to enjoy the game, but you need to do it in SWTOR as well. The story is not that compelling in general for most class stories, and even the good ones don't compare to any single player RPG Bioware has ever made. 

But let's not compare SWTOR to LOTRO, lets compare it to another game that is currently free. Planetside 2, a game where you don't need to pay a cent to access all the content. Sure, there are boosters and whatnot, but the same is available in SWTOR. Thats not the argument here, wether SWTOR is P2W or not is irrelevent. The argument is wether or not SWTOR has a restrictive F2P model. The more modern F2P model is something you see in PS2. I can assure you that game is earning more money then SWTOR is. 

Not to mention that GW2 also exists. GW2 has no sub and offers just as much content, if not significantly more (we will see over the next couple of months), then SWTOR. Sure, it's B2P but that buy in is certainly getting cheaper. The buy in for SWTOR will always remain the same to access the whole game without restrictions: 15$ a month. 

1) SWTOR is not F2P, is a P2P MMO with a free to play option.

2) GW2 is B2P and the population drop of active players was huge compared with swtor after 3 months, even now.

2) The F2P model on SWTOR is a success, that is out of discussion, they are earning new players, new subs and more money, so why they will change?. 

4)GW2 more content than SWTOR?, just no. 

 

 

Somebody said that you have to look at a newbie areas to see if the game is growing... and I check them on my server every day... newbie areas are packed every day... in fact there are more players on first planets right now then it was when they introduced F2P. And it's moving up slowly to higher level planets.

In general chat you can see many comments about players saying that they just subbed... from F2P status.

Maybe it's just my server, but there are no negative comments in general chat about game, there is lots of grouping going on and hunts for WBs. There are plenty of random group invites while questing LOL, which I take most of the time, though I am not fan of it.

People are very helpful, it's a pleasure to be in such great community. I remember one person stucked in some very bizzare place on Taris two days ago and she could not get unstucked for some reason... she picked really bad spot to stand LOL,  and her call was down. She asked for help and immediately  about 10 people ran to her location trying to figure out how to get her out... finally they managed to kill her... still not sure how...  but it worked.  It was reall fun to watch them scratching their head over it... but willing to do no matter what to help... well it was Pub side... /grin... good luck with it in Empire LOL j/k

 

That's funny, I have a few friends that are still playing it, and they say the exact opposite. Go figure right?
Which is what is pushing them to unsub, due to the vitriol comments about F2Pers.

Well I would say either your friends are playing at 3am or they are lieing and don't play at all.  I was on today started a new toon.   And at 2pm in the afternoon Korriban had 3 instance going on.  For those who don't know because they never played SWTOR and just post on swtor because of some weird  obsession Korriban is a stater area. 

  MMOdad72

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1/04/13 4:36:53 PM#59
Originally posted by SBFord

The latest Star Wars: The Old Republic State of the Game letter has been posted on the official site. Executive Producer Jeff Hickman speaks briefly about what the team has accomplished, hints at a new special PvP zone incoming and then moves on to the hot topics the community has been discussing since the last SotG letter, including news about same gender romances for those who have been waiting so long.

Topic #2: World PvP – What happened to making Ilum better? What is going on with Open World PvP? Answer: We have not forgotten Ilum! I think you will see (fairly soon) the answer to this question in the game itself - something big is coming to the Western Ice Shelf, but it’s quite a departure from what was there before. As for pure Open World PvP…well, that’s a more difficult proposition. We are dedicated to providing excellent PvP experiences to our players, but we intend to focus our energy on PvP Seasons and new Warzones. We will be experimenting with a different approach to Open World PvP, something that encourages organic PvP in contested areas in a new and interesting way, but do not look for massive new Open World PvP this year (outside of what I mentioned above). It is still on our design wall, but is taking a back seat to other forms of PvP.

Read the full letter on the Star Wars: The Old Republic site.

At least they still admint they are incompetent and cannot manage actually having a galactic war in the Star Wars settings.

Moronic studio that has ruined the Star Wars license worse than I could imagine.

  Sevenstar61

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1/04/13 4:40:13 PM#60

That's funny, I have a few friends that are still playing it, and they say the exact opposite. Go figure right?
Which is what is pushing them to unsub, due to the vitriol comments about F2Pers.

Well I would say either your friends are playing at 3am or they are lieing and don't play at all.  I was on today started a new toon.   And at 2pm in the afternoon Korriban had 3 instance going on.  For those who don't know because they never played SWTOR and just post on swtor because of some weird  obsession Korriban is a stater area. 

That confirms what I saw on my server.  Packed newbie zones and  higher then usual population in the low and medium planets, I really do not see any bad comments on forums about F2P players. And I follow General chat most of the time, because it can be really entertaining LOL. By the way I play on The Ebon Hawk. Great Server

 


Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
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