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  Hunterror

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OP  1/02/13 11:38:37 AM#1

I recently posted about a gaming laptop and ended up being persueded into buying a new desktop anyway.  So here is what I'm looking at. Trying to keep it under $1k:

 

 

  • CAS: Thermaltake Commander Mid-Tower Gaming Case  (Black Color)
  • CD: 24X Double Layer Dual Format DVD+-R/+-RW + CD-R/RW Drive (BLACK COLOR)
  • CPU: Intel® Core™ i5-3570K 3.40 GHz 6MB Intel Smart Cache LGA1155 (All Venom OC Certified)
  • FAN: Asetek 510LC Liquid Cooling System 120MM Radiator & Fan (Enhanced Cooling Performance + Extreme Silent at 20dBA) (Single Standard 120MM Fan)
  • HDD: 120 GB SAMSUNG 840 Series SATA-III 6.0Gb/s SSD - 530MB/s Read & 130MB/s Write
  • HDD2: 500GB SATA-III 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD [+67] (Single Drive)
  • IUSB: Built-in USB 2.0 Ports
  • MEMORY: 8GB (4GBx2) DDR3/1600MHz Dual Channel Memory (Corsair or Major Brand)
  • MONITOR: 24" Widescreen 1920x1080 ASUS VS247H-P LCD 
  • MOTHERBOARD: [CrossFireX] GIGABYTE Z77-DS3H Intel Z77 Chipset DDR3 ATX Mainboard w/ IRST, 7.1 HD Audio, GbLAN, 2x Gen3 PCIe x16, 2 PCIe x1 & 2 PCI (Pro OC Certified)
  • NETWORK: Onboard Gigabit LAN Network
  • OS: Microsoft® Windows 8 (64-bit Edition)
  • POWERSUPPLY: 500 Watts - Corsair CX500 V2 80 Plus Certified Power Supply 
  • SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
  • VIDEO: AMD Radeon HD 7770 1GB 16X PCIe 3.0 Video Card 
Right now it is 970. Seem all right?
  rpmcmurphy

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1/02/13 11:47:38 AM#2

Thought about an IPS monitor instead of an LCD? Something like a Dell UltraSharp U2312HM for ex.

 

  Hunterror

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OP  1/02/13 11:54:04 AM#3
Are they significantly better? The monitor I have there costs 157, it look like a comparable IPS would be over 200
  Derza10

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1/02/13 11:56:52 AM#4

What is this systems primary use? If it is gaming you should really get a better GPU the 7770 is a low-mid card.

I would drop the SSD and spend that money on a better GPU. You can add an SSD later on when you have more money to spend.

  Hunterror

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OP  1/02/13 12:02:41 PM#5
Yes gaming is the main purpose.  But i'm on a somewhat tight budget so I can't really afford a better gpu unless I downgrade elsewhere.  I can always upgrade the gpu later was my thought process.
  Hunterror

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OP  1/02/13 12:12:42 PM#6
Drop the SSD and get the HD 7850? I could do that
  Derza10

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1/02/13 12:13:40 PM#7
You would be better off getting a good GPU now and adding the SSD in later, a SSD will not improve gameplay it will only reduce load times.
  thinktank001

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1/02/13 12:15:39 PM#8

Do you plan to overclock?  If you don't, then I would probably drop the liquid cooling for an aftermarket fan.   

Do you live near a microcenter?  If you do, then you can pick up the cpu for a really good deal. 

 

That would save you about a $150 that could be put towards a better gpu.

  Derza10

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1/02/13 12:16:24 PM#9
That would work, I would try for a GTX 660 or AMD 7870 if you can.
  Derza10

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1/02/13 12:19:32 PM#10

Are you buying these parts and then building the computer on your own? If so I would get the Hyper 212 evo cpu cooler and not the water cooling system you have listed ( if it is a pre-built system most of the time they don't let you change to a air cooler due to the fact that a big CPU cooler hanging off the mobo is more likely to break something when its shipped to you)

If you are using a company to build and send the computer to you, could you give us the website maybe we could help you pick the best parts (that they provide) for the price for your uses.

  ShakyMo

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Posts: 7246

1/02/13 12:33:25 PM#11
If you look around there are some very good deals on 7950s. Really good like only $40 more than a 7870.

That said you can get good deals if you who around on 660s and 7870s too.

Given your widescreen monitor I wouldn't get a 7770, get at least a 7850. A 7770 would be your bottleneck with such a system.

Don't bother with liquid cooling,you don't need it, just get an after market cpu fan and a couple of case fans.

You could go with a cheaper monitor, Aoc make decent enough cheap monitors, they're a bit flimsy and wobbly, but the picture is pretty good.

Unless you plan on using xfire and dual carding, you could get a cheaper motherboard. You can't really dual card on that power supply anyway.

I would also get the corsair 550vx psu instead.
  Quizzical

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1/02/13 12:38:07 PM#12
Can you assemble a computer from parts yourself, or do you need to hire someone else to use a screwdriver for you?  If the latter, expect that to eat up 10%-20% of the budget right there.
  Quizzical

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1/02/13 12:39:58 PM#13
Originally posted by Derza10
You would be better off getting a good GPU now and adding the SSD in later, a SSD will not improve gameplay it will only reduce load times.

It's a matter of priorities, really, but I'd advise exactly the opposite.  I can live with using merely high rather than max graphical settings, but don't want a computer that makes me sit and wait every time I ask it to do anything.  Also, it's very easy to upgrade a video card later, while adding an SSD later to an existing system is much more of a pain to do.

  Hunterror

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OP  1/02/13 12:41:51 PM#14
Cyberpowerpc. Template was the gamer xtreme 2200
  GrayGhost79

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1/02/13 12:50:47 PM#15
Originally posted by Derza10
You would be better off getting a good GPU now and adding the SSD in later, a SSD will not improve gameplay it will only reduce load times.

This ^ an SSD isn't really going to have as much effect on your gaming as a better GPU would and since you stated it's primary focus is Gaming then this is a no brainer. 

The benefits of an SSD are miniscule in comparison with the benefits of a good GPU. 

When upgrading my rigs adding an SSD is always my last upgrade because it provides the least amount of gain. 

 

 

  ShakyMo

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1/02/13 1:14:20 PM#16
Quiz
A 7770 on a hd monitor is more like medium than high settings on more recent games - e.g. planetside 2, farcry 3, tsw.

Probably play something like gw2 on high though.
  Derza10

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1/02/13 1:32:21 PM#17
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by Derza10
You would be better off getting a good GPU now and adding the SSD in later, a SSD will not improve gameplay it will only reduce load times.

It's a matter of priorities, really, but I'd advise exactly the opposite.  I can live with using merely high rather than max graphical settings, but don't want a computer that makes me sit and wait every time I ask it to do anything.  Also, it's very easy to upgrade a video card later, while adding an SSD later to an existing system is much more of a pain to do.

Let me get this straight... You are saying he is better off wasting $100-$130 on a GPU that he will need to replace soon ( for another $200-$300 more) and getting a SSD that will give him maybe a few seconds faster load on some load screens. Then spending $200-$300 on a good graphics card now and then waiting a bit to install a SSD?

You are basically telling him to spend ~$130 more for the same end results and have worse performance now......

Adding a SSD to an existing system is very easy...

  Quizzical

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1/02/13 5:10:39 PM#18
Originally posted by Derza10
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by Derza10
You would be better off getting a good GPU now and adding the SSD in later, a SSD will not improve gameplay it will only reduce load times.

It's a matter of priorities, really, but I'd advise exactly the opposite.  I can live with using merely high rather than max graphical settings, but don't want a computer that makes me sit and wait every time I ask it to do anything.  Also, it's very easy to upgrade a video card later, while adding an SSD later to an existing system is much more of a pain to do.

Let me get this straight... You are saying he is better off wasting $100-$130 on a GPU that he will need to replace soon ( for another $200-$300 more) and getting a SSD that will give him maybe a few seconds faster load on some load screens. Then spending $200-$300 on a good graphics card now and then waiting a bit to install a SSD?

You are basically telling him to spend ~$130 more for the same end results and have worse performance now......

Adding a SSD to an existing system is very easy...

As I said, it's a matter of priorities.  Do you want fairly high graphical settings on a computer that is very fast and responsive, or do you want to max settings in most games on a computer that is sluggish?  Which is better is a matter of opinion, but I'd take the former.

Video cards have gotten so fast that the only ways to push the higher end ones anymore are by being really inefficient, by introducing some very computationally intense effects that are easy to turn off, and by having a ton of stuff on the screen at once.  And I'm not aware of any games that go the third route, as that would make the game unplayable for most of your potential customers.

Of course, if you assemble your own from parts rather than having one built to order for you from a cite like CyberPower PC, then you can have both:  a faster video card (Radeon HD 7870 or GeForce GTX 660, either of which roughly double the performance of the 7770) and a good SSD.

Adding an SSD without putting anything on it is easy to do, but defeats the point of adding an SSD.  Adding an SSD and reinstalling the OS and a bunch of programs on it is far more of a pain.

  ShakyMo

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1/02/13 5:28:15 PM#19
Yeah that's a point you want Windows on your ssd.
  GrayGhost79

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1/02/13 7:20:19 PM#20
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by Derza10
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by Derza10
You would be better off getting a good GPU now and adding the SSD in later, a SSD will not improve gameplay it will only reduce load times.

It's a matter of priorities, really, but I'd advise exactly the opposite.  I can live with using merely high rather than max graphical settings, but don't want a computer that makes me sit and wait every time I ask it to do anything.  Also, it's very easy to upgrade a video card later, while adding an SSD later to an existing system is much more of a pain to do.

Let me get this straight... You are saying he is better off wasting $100-$130 on a GPU that he will need to replace soon ( for another $200-$300 more) and getting a SSD that will give him maybe a few seconds faster load on some load screens. Then spending $200-$300 on a good graphics card now and then waiting a bit to install a SSD?

You are basically telling him to spend ~$130 more for the same end results and have worse performance now......

Adding a SSD to an existing system is very easy...

As I said, it's a matter of priorities.  Do you want fairly high graphical settings on a computer that is very fast and responsive, or do you want to max settings in most games on a computer that is sluggish?  Which is better is a matter of opinion, but I'd take the former.

Video cards have gotten so fast that the only ways to push the higher end ones anymore are by being really inefficient, by introducing some very computationally intense effects that are easy to turn off, and by having a ton of stuff on the screen at once.  And I'm not aware of any games that go the third route, as that would make the game unplayable for most of your potential customers.

Of course, if you assemble your own from parts rather than having one built to order for you from a cite like CyberPower PC, then you can have both:  a faster video card (Radeon HD 7870 or GeForce GTX 660, either of which roughly double the performance of the 7770) and a good SSD.

Adding an SSD without putting anything on it is easy to do, but defeats the point of adding an SSD.  Adding an SSD and reinstalling the OS and a bunch of programs on it is far more of a pain.

Not really a pain to transfer to your SSD. Most use Windows 7 which has the capability of doing so built in. You clone the HDD onto the SSD, format the HDD and BAM done lol. Any novice can do it without to much trouble. 

 

Granted it use to be a pain and could even be expensive, that simply isn't the case anymore lol. 

Buy a GPU that you will replace soon that will serve no purpose after so that you can get an SSD now, or remove a redundant step and buy a good GPU now and pick up an SSD later?

Not to mention you will already have an HDD for storage now that will prolong the life of your SSD ontop of preserving the random write speed thanks to waiting on the SSD. 

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