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  MumboJumbo

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OP  12/29/12 5:52:51 AM#1

A Secret History of MMORPG Genre:

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Meridian 59GDC Vault - Classic Game Post-Mortem Video

Ultima OnlineGDC Vault - Classic Game Post-Mortem Video

Asheron's CallRipper's Tortured Psyche: History of Asheron's Call Darktide

 

& including sections in the below video to link to the present:

PaizCon Presentation: A Brief History of MMORPGs, Sandboxes vs Themeparks

 

====

If people can start filling in the rest of the list; *major titles* eg EvE & Everquest would be best choices to begin adding: So fire away! Below is a useful timeline (full list at link).

 

MMORPG TIMELINE: http://timelines.com/topics/mmorpg

1996 Sep 27 - Meridian 59

1997 Sep 25 - Ultima Online

1999 Mar 16 - EverQuest

1999 Nov 2 - Asheron's Call

2001 Jun 6 - World War II Online

2001 Jun 27 - Anarchy Online

2001 Oct 10 - Dark Age of Camelot

2001 Oct 10 - Motor City Online

2002 May 16 - Final Fantasy XI

2002 Sep 24 - Earth and Beyond

2002 Nov 22 - Asheron's Call 2 

2003 Mar 25 - Shadowbane

2003 May 6 - EVE Online

2003 May 20 - Planetside

2003 Jun 26 - Star Wars Galaxies

2003 Dec 9 - Horizons: Empire of Istaria

Cont'd...

==

Meridian 59 Official Trailer

Ultima Online Trailer

Ralph Koster QUOTE: "I think UO is to blame for F2P"

  obii

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12/29/12 9:44:17 AM#2
Cool thanks for the UO link :)
  Loktofeit

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12/29/12 10:20:32 AM#3

2001 Jan 4 - Runescape

2003 Oct 1 - Lineage 2 (kr)

2003 Dec 8 - Puzzle Pirates

2004 Apr 27 - Lineage 2 (us)

2003 Apr 29 - Maple Story (kr)

2005 May 11 - Maple Story (us)

2005 Dec 31 - SilkRoad Online

 

Additional helpful links:

  • http://www.raphkoster.com/gaming/mudtimeline.shtml
  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_massively_multiplayer_online_games
     
 

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  MumboJumbo

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OP  12/29/12 11:42:25 AM#4

Aww, Runescape is a big omission from that list!!

Thanks for those, I'll dig into Runescape if I can find the relevant vids for the "next installment". 

  niceguy3978

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12/29/12 11:47:44 AM#5
The funny thing about this list is that 2 of the 3 first mmos were made by 2 of the most hated publishing/developing houses on this site (Verant was owned by sony and ran by the infomous Smedly and EA had bought Origin years before development began on UO).
  skeith138

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12/29/12 12:55:24 PM#6

theres a video of MACHINIMA   talking about the history of MMO's:

part 1:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgYuJczGv8o

part 2:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9IVlCE89bk

part 3:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnR9P_dqINg

part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDXorHNo3eE

 

from how MUDS first started to MMO's from today

  MumboJumbo

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OP  12/29/12 1:31:49 PM#7
Originally posted by niceguy3978
The funny thing about this list is that 2 of the 3 first mmos were made by 2 of the most hated publishing/developing houses on this site (Verant was owned by sony and ran by the infomous Smedly and EA had bought Origin years before development began on UO).

From skeith's pt3 vid link: "At the start of the new millenium... while these numbers didn't reach the same heights as the biggest selling titles of the day, their unique business model proved profitable to an extent unheard of before... would hit a fork in the road as one game..." 

QED. 

@skeith: Thanks interesting links!

  Theocritus

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12/29/12 2:21:35 PM#8
     I tried M59 not too long ago.....Its pretty rough on the eyes.....Even though it came before EQ it really is nowhere near as good as EQ was in its heyday.....I wanted to see it for nostalgia sake but that's about it.
  obii

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12/29/12 2:42:06 PM#9
Originally posted by niceguy3978
The funny thing about this list is that 2 of the 3 first mmos were made by 2 of the most hated publishing/developing houses on this site (Verant was owned by sony and ran by the infomous Smedly and EA had bought Origin years before development began on UO).

No one really knows how UO managed to be a success with EA as publisher

It thrived despite being an EA game is all I can say :P

  Torvaldr

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12/29/12 2:46:01 PM#10

Lineage - September 1998 (US release - I think it was earlier in KR but I don't know the date).

It's not longer running in North America and Europe, but is still very popular in Asia.

I think a mind wipe so people could play an mmo like it was their first time again, would be easier to build than a new mmo people here would actually like. - DamonVile

  Yukmarc

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12/29/12 3:10:56 PM#11
Originally posted by obii
Originally posted by niceguy3978
The funny thing about this list is that 2 of the 3 first mmos were made by 2 of the most hated publishing/developing houses on this site (Verant was owned by sony and ran by the infomous Smedly and EA had bought Origin years before development began on UO).

No one really knows how UO managed to be a success with EA as publisher

It thrived despite being an EA game is all I can say :P

That is true, however, at that time, I think Richard Garriot was left alone to do his own thing. He has a big ego and I don't think he would have let EA tell him what to do with the Ultima franchise.... yet...

  Loktofeit

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12/29/12 5:13:40 PM#12
Originally posted by Torvaldr

Lineage - September 1998 (US release - I think it was earlier in KR but I don't know the date).

It's not longer running in North America and Europe, but is still very popular in Asia.

Good catch. Definitely should be on the list.

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  MumboJumbo

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OP  12/29/12 5:34:24 PM#13
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by Torvaldr

Lineage - September 1998 (US release - I think it was earlier in KR but I don't know the date).

It's not longer running in North America and Europe, but is still very popular in Asia.

Good catch. Definitely should be on the list.

Damnit. ;)

Where's the motherlode of all mmorpg chronological lists? I've searched around for some info on EVE Online and will see if I can rustle up something on Runescape also, to add.

/I'll edit that OP timelines mmorpg list shortly.

  Gravarg

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12/29/12 5:38:31 PM#14
You forgot Neverwinter Nights that was on AOL...First graphical MMO if I'm not mistaken.  I used to play that, meridian 59 and Rogue...I just dated myself didn't I? lol
  GrayGhost79

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12/29/12 5:56:10 PM#15

It gets forgotten about often due to FFXI but... 

EverQuest Online Adventures - Feb. 11, 2003

It actually beat FFXI to the punch on consoles and even launched before the PC version of FFXI. Few remember it though or have ever heard of it. I miss that game lol. It was just shut down this year :( 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EverQuest_Online_Adventures

 

And heres a link that should help you out a bit... 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_massively_multiplayer_online_role-playing_games

The links at the bottom should really be of use. 

  Tuyet

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12/29/12 9:47:47 PM#16
Originally posted by niceguy3978
The funny thing about this list is that 2 of the 3 first mmos were made by 2 of the most hated publishing/developing houses on this site (Verant was owned by sony and ran by the infomous Smedly and EA had bought Origin years before development began on UO).

 Maybe I'm all wrong but I always thought Verant developed Everquest indepently and was aquired by SOE after it was successful. The Wikipedia article on SOE states that SOE acquired Verant in June 2000. However the article also implies SOE developed Everquest.

Looks to me like SOE is rewriting history to take credit for developing Everquest just because it acquired Verant after it had already made Everquest successful.

Personally I think Verant selling out to SOE was the biggest mistake in MMORPG history.

  VengeSunsoar

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12/29/12 10:24:35 PM#17
Originally posted by Tuyet
Originally posted by niceguy3978
The funny thing about this list is that 2 of the 3 first mmos were made by 2 of the most hated publishing/developing houses on this site (Verant was owned by sony and ran by the infomous Smedly and EA had bought Origin years before development began on UO).

 Maybe I'm all wrong but I always thought Verant developed Everquest indepently and was aquired by SOE after it was successful. The Wikipedia article on SOE states that SOE acquired Verant in June 2000. However the article also implies SOE developed Everquest.

Looks to me like SOE is rewriting history to take credit for developing Everquest just because it acquired Verant after it had already made Everquest successful.

Personally I think Verant selling out to SOE was the biggest mistake in MMORPG history.

 

989 studios was owned by sony, which started EQ.  Then Verant was spun out after and continued work on EQ, then Sony bought Verant a bit after the launch.

So technically both are true.  Sony, at least, had a hand in it from the very beginning.

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  niceguy3978

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12/30/12 12:48:10 AM#18
Originally posted by obii
Originally posted by niceguy3978
The funny thing about this list is that 2 of the 3 first mmos were made by 2 of the most hated publishing/developing houses on this site (Verant was owned by sony and ran by the infomous Smedly and EA had bought Origin years before development began on UO).

No one really knows how UO managed to be a success with EA as publisher

It thrived despite being an EA game is all I can say :P

They didn't just publish it.  EA owned Origin whole hog as my dad use to say.  Think Bioware today, do we really even separate the two out anymore?

  niceguy3978

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12/30/12 12:50:55 AM#19
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by Tuyet
Originally posted by niceguy3978
The funny thing about this list is that 2 of the 3 first mmos were made by 2 of the most hated publishing/developing houses on this site (Verant was owned by sony and ran by the infomous Smedly and EA had bought Origin years before development began on UO).

 Maybe I'm all wrong but I always thought Verant developed Everquest indepently and was aquired by SOE after it was successful. The Wikipedia article on SOE states that SOE acquired Verant in June 2000. However the article also implies SOE developed Everquest.

Looks to me like SOE is rewriting history to take credit for developing Everquest just because it acquired Verant after it had already made Everquest successful.

Personally I think Verant selling out to SOE was the biggest mistake in MMORPG history.

 

989 studios was owned by sony, which started EQ.  Then Verant was spun out after and continued work on EQ, then Sony bought Verant a bit after the launch.

So technically both are true.  Sony, at least, had a hand in it from the very beginning.

Pretty much this.  Sony put all of the pieces in place through 989 studeos, and then when they wanted to make 989 an exclusively playstation brand developer, they created verant which was headed by the man everyone around here loves to hate.  He hand picked his people and they produced everquest.  Sony then wanted a larger footprint in online games and brough Verant back into the fold which eventually turned into Sony Online Entertainment.

  Omali

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12/30/12 1:23:52 AM#20
Originally posted by Yukmarc
Originally posted by obii
Originally posted by niceguy3978
The funny thing about this list is that 2 of the 3 first mmos were made by 2 of the most hated publishing/developing houses on this site (Verant was owned by sony and ran by the infomous Smedly and EA had bought Origin years before development began on UO).

No one really knows how UO managed to be a success with EA as publisher

It thrived despite being an EA game is all I can say :P

That is true, however, at that time, I think Richard Garriot was left alone to do his own thing. He has a big ego and I don't think he would have let EA tell him what to do with the Ultima franchise.... yet...

EA was already ruining Ultima by the time Ultima Online came out. They ruined Ultima 8 (1994) by rushing it out the door to please the investors.

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