Originally posted by Banaghran

 

People will not do middle content if they are able do a higher tier reasonably well, it works like that regardless of what the content is, people stopped doing new naxx when the arena in icecrown was released (5man giving better gear), with raiders stopping even with the release of ulduar (10man some bosses were ez mode, 2 people could do the tank, i just dont remember names atm), anything else is wishful thinking on your and the devs part.

Really? You don't see the mount runs into older dungeons in WOW?

In fact, this is also not true in D3 (while not a MMO, running tier content is the same compared to many MMO). Many will do MP0 for xp, mid MP for loot runs, and high grouped MP for uber and keys.

It depends on what is doable, fun, and reward. MIddle content is being done everyday in many games.

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by Banaghran

 

People will not do middle content if they are able do a higher tier reasonably well, it works like that regardless of what the content is, people stopped doing new naxx when the arena in icecrown was released (5man giving better gear), with raiders stopping even with the release of ulduar (10man some bosses were ez mode, 2 people could do the tank, i just dont remember names atm), anything else is wishful thinking on your and the devs part.

Really? You don't see the mount runs into older dungeons in WOW?

In fact, this is also not true in D3 (while not a MMO, running tier content is the same compared to many MMO). Many will do MP0 for xp, mid MP for loot runs, and high grouped MP for uber and keys.

It depends on what is doable, fun, and reward. MIddle content is being done everyday in many games.

I do see them, i did them, i was exalted waterlords in wotlk, but never got the charger.

But i also know, that if i dont argue from the pov of "common man", you or someone else will brush off the comment with "pfft, how many people do this?", the same way as is commonly argued that Sunwell was wasted content, because most people were not able to see it before wotlk came.

Because people did kill world bosses, azuregos and other lv60 dragons for the quests and items, the outland bosses for money (until they stopped dropping it) the same as they killed onyxia for scales and the cloak recipe, mc for reps and recipes and so on.

Flame on!

:)

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Originally posted by Banaghran

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Originally posted by lizardbones The gear was better than entry level gear and would have made raiding easier. It was certainly better than the starter gear that could be obtained from heroics leading up to raids. It wasn't a complete set of gear, but there were some very nice pieces. Nobody wanted to do the world bosses though. The choice to skip world bosses had nothing to do with gear. You're saying people do raids to get better gear, and that's the only reason they chose to do raids. There was better gear on world bosses, yet nobody chose to do them. Not once in three years of playing did I find a raid to kill a world boss. People just wanted to do raids. They did not care about world bosses at all. If there was some desire to go kill world bosses, somebody would have put a raid together. People didn't even want to go back when it would be easy to kill them. They only wanted to go back and kill the easy raid bosses. World bosses were so unpopular, they just quit making them. The last post I saw in this thread says Blizzard is bringing them back, which is good. World bosses are fun, and add an element of dynamic PvP that is pretty lacking in the game. It was something in Rift that was a great deal of fun, even if your faction had five people on site and the other faction had thirty people.  

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People will not do middle content if they are able do a higher tier reasonably well, it works like that regardless of what the content is, people stopped doing new naxx when the arena in icecrown was released (5man giving better gear), with raiders stopping even with the release of ulduar (10man some bosses were ez mode, 2 people could do the tank, i just dont remember names atm), anything else is wishful thinking on your and the devs part.

Im just saying that people will do what will get them the best possible gear as soon as possible, and we are missing the situation where world bosses give the best gear for a reference on what would be more popular, world bosses were not treated as full fledged 40man content even in the old days.

As for your 3 years, it is once again the separate realities we live in, the lv60 dragons, Kazzak and Doomsomething at the black temple (its not my day today) were constantly dead where i played (i know because "I" wanted to kill them :) ), up until they nerfed the gold drops, atleast we could do the quests...

And interesting way to do a 180 :)

Flame on!

:)

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Originally posted by lizardbones

 

I never said I didn't like world bosses. Only that they weren't popular content compared to raids and that instituting a world boss is easier than setting up a raid with raid bosses.

 

And i am just saying that it is only conjecture on your behalf because we have no real reference since games make instances the top content once they start using them so that the existing world bosses end up the same as any other past optional content, abandoned except for the enthusiasts, and that setting up a instance with 5 bosses and trash is easyer than setting up 3-5 large zones a' 5+ world bosses to occupy the same amount of people.

Flame on!

:)

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Originally posted by Banaghran

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Originally posted by lizardbones   I never said I didn't like world bosses. Only that they weren't popular content compared to raids and that instituting a world boss is easier than setting up a raid with raid bosses.  

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And i am just saying that it is only conjecture on your behalf because we have no real reference since games make instances the top content once they start using them so that the existing world bosses end up the same as any other past optional content, abandoned except for the enthusiasts, and that setting up a instance with 5 bosses and trash is easyer than setting up 3-5 large zones a' 5+ world bosses to occupy the same amount of people.

Flame on!

:)

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Originally posted by lizardbones

 

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Originally posted by Banaghran

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Originally posted by lizardbones   I never said I didn't like world bosses. Only that they weren't popular content compared to raids and that instituting a world boss is easier than setting up a raid with raid bosses.  

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And i am just saying that it is only conjecture on your behalf because we have no real reference since games make instances the top content once they start using them so that the existing world bosses end up the same as any other past optional content, abandoned except for the enthusiasts, and that setting up a instance with 5 bosses and trash is easyer than setting up 3-5 large zones a' 5+ world bosses to occupy the same amount of people.

 

Flame on!

:)

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Fair enough. It is conjecture. So is what you're saying. For that matter, most of the content in these forums is conjecture. Your conjecture is based on what you believe, mine is based on what I believe, and what developers have said publicly. You find a developer who says that the effort to setup a world boss exceeds the effort of setting up a raid boss and then we'll both have exactly the same amount of proof on which to base our conjectures.

 

The conjecture part applied only to your statement about popularity, but ofcourse you would misread that :)

And you have a developer saying that creating 3+ zones with 5+ wold bosses each is more easy than creating a single raid with 5+ bosses and trash? Specifically in rift where they reuse entire instance areas?

Flame on!

:)

Originally posted by Kaminaxius
The only actual ''massive'' mmo i've experienced so far has been Darkfall (non instanced and sieges with more than 700 people on each side) but you needed a pretty damn good pc to play it without lag

There is a reason why there aren't more of them. "massive" is not really required for many core mmo activities like dungeons and raids.