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12/27/12 9:42:08 AM#21
Originally posted by MindTrigger I dont know about Lizardbones, but for me, If I am subscribed to a game..I feel I should be only playing that game to "get my money's worth" out of it. The B2P alleviated that, atleast for me. I can go do other games while Im not "paying for nothing". And yes..I spend waaaaayy to much money on gaming. My ADD wall of half finished games ( Metaphor..not really a wall) is probably large enough that I honestly dont think I could finish them in the remaining years I have left...and it gets bigger by the week. No matter how cynical you become, its never enough to keep up - Lily Tomlin |
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12/27/12 9:53:56 AM#22
Originally posted by apocoluster That's a very strange way to approach an MMO game, or any other type of entertainment, if you ask me. That would be like me arbitrarily feeling like I need to watch 8 hours per day of Netflix just because I make a monthly payment to them for my sub. I think this is also a product of these new crappy, themepark games though. The difference between today and many of the older MMOs is that you were more likely to play the older ones for a very long time. I played Star Wars Galaxies for years. I just see the subscription as a monthly payment I'm making for an entertainment service that I hope to be enjoying long term. I don't think about the payment again until I am completely done with the game in question. I also look at it this way; if I was to go buy enough single player games to entertain me as long as an MMO does (even a crappy thempark from today), I would be spending hundreds of dollars per month. That and the cost of a single two hour movie and some snacks at a theater can cost as much or more than a $15 sub fee. Too each their own though, I suppose. |
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12/27/12 9:57:38 AM#23
Originally posted by Derros Call me contrary but I would probably call the TSW setting Cthulhu-Punk rather than modern day. The inhabitants seem rather well-adapted to events, a church comes with pre-existing wards and scrap metal merchants tinker with giant robots. A true modern-day setting would be more "28 Days Later" rather than "Neverwhere". |
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12/27/12 10:01:25 AM#24
Originally posted by OldTimeGamer That's because Funcom wasn't really able to create their vision properly. Our characters were originally supposed to be running around in secret, fighting evil (and each other), while the rest of the world moves on completely oblivious (or as oblivious as possible). That's why the name of the game is The Secret World. However, they clearly haven't done a good job of making the game feel that way. You can see they tried for an 'underground' feel in some ways, but it falls short. For example, Kingsmouth was supposed to just be an isolated incident that the rest of the world didn't know about because the town was cut off from the outside world. |
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12/27/12 10:01:41 AM#25
Originally posted by OldTimeGamer Yeah, this one is strange but I suppose can be explained by "anima infused bullets" -- definitely "magic." The assault rifle of healing, lol. :) |
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12/27/12 10:05:40 AM#26
Originally posted by MindTrigger Think you hit on something there -- I've always scratched my head when people say they finish a game in 1 week, but it's that trying-to-get-it done-before-the-sub-runs-out mentality. I suppose another good reason to go to a B2P model. Interesting conversation -- do subs promote rushing? |
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12/27/12 10:12:18 AM#27
Originally posted by Ortwig It's a change in mindset because these games are short-term now. Older MMO games were seen as a more long-term entertainment source because before everything turned into a rush to level cap, you had what was called horizontal gameplay that you could enjoy with your friends for a very long time. Now people have come to expect these games to last 30-90 days at the most in many cases. Still I personally wouldn't rush through a game I was enjoying over a measley $15 sub fee though. I factor the cost in when I make a decision to buy a game, and then I pay the sub until I'm done with it. |
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12/27/12 10:22:43 AM#28
Originally posted by MindTrigger I personally wouldn't either, but even in these older games now there's the rush to cap that happens. How many gamers who simply don't have the disposable income needed for a single ongoing world? Or are they trying to maintain 10 onlgong worlds? Seems many who are trying to squeeze a month of play out of game, or are playing 10 games simulataneously and trying to get in on all of them. For that style of gaming, B2P makes a lot of sense. I completely agree on the horizontal gaming design, but I have a feeling in today's world, with many younger gamers without $$, or for those who are playing many, many games, it wouldn't make much difference. |
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12/27/12 10:26:36 AM#29
Originally posted by MindTrigger I really doubt that. This is the magic of B2P model and just like GW2, TSW too will continue to hold on to its population especially with new monthly updates and addition of Tokyo map in JAN / FEB. |
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12/27/12 10:32:17 AM#30
Originally posted by Ortwig It's just strange for me. What I am looking for is a game that I can "live" in for a couple years or more. You know, a home away from home, something I can build in and be a part of for a long time. Not a mess like Second Life, but something with a theme, gameplay, conflict, etc. If this game/world was designed correctly, I'd pay up to $50 / month for it without blinking. It would have to be very good, but I'd let the money go for it if it was. There was a time in SWG where I was paying $45/month so I could have three accounts and the freedom to do what I wanted. Of course, that was when the game only had one character per account, but I didn't mind. Look at what we pay for cable TV these days. I *should* be able to get much more out of a proper MMO game than I do cable. At least that's how these games used to feel to me. Now they are just weak hand-holding experience where I feel like I'm in someone else's story rather than making my own. |
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12/27/12 10:32:26 AM#31
Originally posted by OldTimeGamer I think of each of the pockets we're exploring as closed off areas where stuff is going on (the supernatural has broken through), and we're being sent in to investigate. Of course the NYC raid would be something *really* breaking through, but the idea is that the secrets are trying to be contained (somewhat unsuccessfully). I guess if the original idea was to have us be much more underground, you'd need to somehow segregate things visually from the main world. I play it thinking that the average person is mayber hearing some strange stories, but isn't completely in the know. I do believe they will be playing up the faction fighting in upcoming releases -- they are talking open world dynamic PvP events. |
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12/27/12 10:44:33 AM#32
Originally posted by MindTrigger Absolutely. Furthermore there are three "real-world" locations in which I have seen inhabitants fail to run screaming from the various monsters that can found browsing, selling or just wandering about. If the player characters didn't heal people via the soothing power of assault rifles, weren't able to personally withstand attacks from 30 foot monstrosties and didn't live in a world which seems exceptionally well-adjusted to events then, yes, it might be fair to say that TSW is modern day. TSW is superheroes fighting horrors in a world only moderately distressed what is happening around them. |
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12/27/12 10:48:11 AM#33
Originally posted by OldTimeGamer I don't agree with your vision of it myself, but it is open to interpretation the way the game plays out now. Whatever works for each person is fine though, especially in a game that is essentially solo play. |
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12/27/12 11:54:57 AM#34
Originally posted by OldTimeGamer lol..i am glad your version of modern day settings has not been implemented because too much realism is also a bad thing. There is no denying that our characters have supernatural powers but doesn't change the fact that it happens in modern day world. The kind of realism you want would be such a dull place to play in. |
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12/27/12 1:18:26 PM#35
Originally posted by Zalmon It depends whether you enjoyed "Attack the Block" more than "Men in Black", of course. The former drawns is almost as close to cinéma vérité that a film about aliens can manage ... I was bringing this up in respect to the Real Life genre for TSW within the MMORPG game list. I would argue that TSW is closer to CO (Super-Hero) or any Fantasy genre MMO (where your character has enough hit points to survive free-fall) instead of something like Second World, Need for Speed World or Habbo Hotel. |
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12/27/12 3:08:19 PM#36
You're talking about two different things. TSW takes place in a modern day setting, but it's listed as "Genre: Real Life" on this site and it's definitely not real life. It's fantasy/horror/superhero fiction or whatever you want to call it. In fiction, the time period a story takes place in doesn't have to be historically accurate to be used a name tag. Medieval settings are a good example of this. A large part of them is pure BS historical accuracy wise, but they're still medieval settings. |
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12/27/12 5:33:23 PM#37
Originally posted by Scalpless My movie example was illustrative - a way to cut the explanation down to something simple. For the "Genre: Real Life" does not match neither the game play, the setting nor the other MMOs in the same genre. The only thing that really seperates TSW from "Genre: Super-Hero" is the lack of costumes. It is very close to the kind of MMO someone would create if high-powered agents of, say, the Hellfire Club was fighting the Hand and Hydra. |
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12/27/12 6:50:19 PM#38
Originally posted by Zalmon I have the lifetime sub and I disagree with your Statement. Even casual players can finish the quest in a short time frame in each zone. Then lets just stand in agartha waiting for Nightmare groups but you better have gear or no go! Do not go into this game for PVP, it is a joke. I will give some pointers. At this time if you want to play a templar join Battleground A cluster the roleplaying servers and if you want to play illuminati join Battleground C cluster, then just que up for Fusang Project and just farm for PVP gear by standing in the zones. I do like the game for the puzzles, seems less of those of late. |
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12/27/12 11:55:52 PM#39
Originally posted by patryns Standing around in Agartha waiting for leets to carry you is foolish. Lots of groups forming for those just getting into Nightmares: http://forums.thesecretworld.com/showthread.php?t=63415 For people who actually want to PvP, there's that too. If you want to get /afk banned, just follow Zalmon's stellar advice; obviously, he was playing before 1.5 hit. |
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