Originally posted by jpnz

Originally posted by Rhoms

 

How does that make any sense at all?  When nearly all servers were "full" on Christmas day, and then I log on today and nearly all are listed as "very high," does that mean the accounts are no longer bound to servers?  Give me a break.  Just because you want a game to fail does not make it so.

The population in this game is healthy.  Stop fooling yourselves. 

'Full' doesn't mean what you think it means according to ANet.

Take it up with ANet if you have a problem rather than folks who are just going by what the game devs are saying.

 

 

CC Eva wrote:

"When you see a server FULL means that the people who’ve chosen that server as theirs, or players who have moved to that particular server, have reached the cap, independently of where did they create their accounts."

You missed the point.  If servers fluctuate between "full" and "very high," then does that mean those players are no longer bound to the server?  My point still stands.  The game has a healthy population.

Originally posted by dlld

Originally posted by Yamota
Based on XFire numbers I would say that the game has about 1.6-1.9M total playerbase.

How do you get that number? only thing i can think of is for compare it to say wow which officially announced it has 10 million subs, it only has 6k players on xfire though, while gw2 has close to 4k, meaning gw2 should have atleast over 5 million players by that logic.

XFire isn't used in asia I assume.  So if he was making a guess it would have to be based on assuming a number of players in the US/EU.  The rough guess is that there are 4 million subscribers in US/EU.  I wouldn't use that logic to guess GW2 player numbers though.

Originally posted by Serenes

Originally posted by KingJiggly

Originally posted by Selo

Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

XFire doesn't pick people of every status - it picks people that use xfire which are a minority, opposed to say having a phone.

By the way did WoW also drop 50% population since september?

Xfire works exactly like a s survey, its not a specific type of player that use xfire, it has all types of players, just like a country have all kinds of people

No. Not at all. Specific countires have a specific "type" of person. French are completely different from English.

 

It is not at all a survey. Sure, you can download it for free. But I have never, ever physically met someone with Xfire. I do not even have it. The population in Xfire is for more "hardcore" players. And even then, the majority do not. I am not even sure if Xfire is present in some Asian countries.

I love how your arguement is.. "I have never seen a Xfire user therefor any and all data collected by them is pointless."

 

~slow clap~ well played.

The same  to say that if I never ever was called to participate in any poll and I don't know anybody who participated ... therefore all polls are meaningless.

It is hard to determine the quality of the sample which are Xfire users. This is definitely not a "random" sample. Xfire has some neat features especially if you play many games. For one... it has listed all games installed on your computer and it will launch them for you. It has voice chat, game video recording, and much more.

I downloaded it to find out what is so special about it... and I actually like it. It also will track for you how much time you spend in games. Ouch. It shows you all your friends who also use Xfire and what are they playing and even on what server.

Great tool for social players.

There are about 21 millions Xfire accounts based on wiki.

As for GW2 population? Less then WoW and more then SWTOR... based on XFire. I would not dare to judge numbers, but about 2 millions probably sounds right on.

Originally posted by Rhoms

 

You missed the point.  If servers fluctuate between "full" and "very high," then does that mean those players are no longer bound to the server?  My point still stands.  The game has a healthy population.

According to what?

You just admitted (because ANet said so) that server status can't be trusted.

We have an example showing there is a portion of the playerbase that stopped playing via Xfire.

We have examples of servers being a wasteland.

Heck, we even have an ANet dev accepting the '20-70 wasteland' issue as 'We have to figure something out' in a recent Reddit AMA.

Whether a fan accepts those facts is irrevelent now as ANet themselves acknowledges them.

Originally posted by jpnz

Originally posted by Rhoms

 

You missed the point.  If servers fluctuate between "full" and "very high," then does that mean those players are no longer bound to the server?  My point still stands.  The game has a healthy population.

According to what?

You just admitted (because ANet said so) that server status can't be trusted.

We have an example showing there is a portion of the playerbase that stopped playing via Xfire.

We have examples of servers being a wasteland.

Heck, we even have an ANet dev accepting the '20-70 wasteland' issue as 'We have to figure something out' in a recent Reddit AMA.

Whether a fan accepts those facts is irrevelent now as ANet themselves acknowledges them.

Yes you are right wasteland doom and gloom --- Damn forgot my tin foil any way carry on

SWTOR - Bioware lay-offs April 2012 - 4 months after release.

TERA  - August 2012 - a couple months after release in the west.

TSW - August 2012 - 1 month after release

Rift - December 2012 - 1 month after release of the xpac.

Turbine - October 2012 - same month as new xpac of LOTRO

So far Anet didn't have any lay-offs with 4 months of life (the NCSOF layoffs didn't hit Anet).and talks of features, content and an expansion in 2013. GW1 is still running by the way.

This may shine some light on things.

"There are more than 2 million Guild Wars 2 accounts. Yes, 2,000,000+ accounts! With player volumes that high, there will be cheaters, exploiters, scammers, and of course, the occasional and deeply regretted error on our part, the unwarranted suspension or closure of an account."

Partial quote from: http://www.linkedin.com/in/gailegray on Guild Wars 2 official forum https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/support/account/Fear-of-Ban/first#post1138053

Now you know at best it is somewhere between 2m and 3m. The wording isn't clear whether it includes banned accounts but that gives you some general numbers to start arguing with. Go! lol

Think I counted 51 servers here.

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Updated-World-Ratings-Dec-28

People don't like the game and for what ever reason, feel that the game should fail without them. That is what it seems like to me, reading posts on this forum. The world doesn't revovle around people on this site, just like it doesn't matter if I like the game or not. It seems to be very full and busy - actually even after the removal of the Wintersday patch - all the main cities show an overflow and same with some of the areas, so that means there are people playing (this is based on the server I am currently on and that is all I can base it on, afterall). Have people really invested so much in their despisng of this game, that they want a company to fail? It is kind of ludirous.

You like the game, play it. You don't like the game, don't play and move on. Don't piss in my themepark and I won't piss in your sandbox. SInce the game is B2P, it will still be going, after all, GW1 is still active.

Originally posted by greenreen

This may shine some light on things.

"There are more than 2 million Guild Wars 2 accounts. Yes, 2,000,000+ accounts! With player volumes that high, there will be cheaters, exploiters, scammers, and of course, the occasional and deeply regretted error on our part, the unwarranted suspension or closure of an account."

Partial quote from: http://www.linkedin.com/in/gailegray on Guild Wars 2 official forum https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/support/account/Fear-of-Ban/first#post1138053

Now you know at best it is somewhere between 2m and 3m. The wording isn't clear whether it includes banned accounts but that gives you some general numbers to start arguing with. Go! lol

Think I counted 51 servers here.

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Updated-World-Ratings-Dec-28

She also said a few post below that "100 posts is 0.00005% of our population".

So that is around 200 million players.

So I wouldn't give much importance to Gayle Gray numbers

Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

Originally posted by greenreen

This may shine some light on things.

"There are more than 2 million Guild Wars 2 accounts. Yes, 2,000,000+ accounts! With player volumes that high, there will be cheaters, exploiters, scammers, and of course, the occasional and deeply regretted error on our part, the unwarranted suspension or closure of an account."

Partial quote from: http://www.linkedin.com/in/gailegray on Guild Wars 2 official forum https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/support/account/Fear-of-Ban/first#post1138053

Now you know at best it is somewhere between 2m and 3m. The wording isn't clear whether it includes banned accounts but that gives you some general numbers to start arguing with. Go! lol

Think I counted 51 servers here.

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Updated-World-Ratings-Dec-28

She also said a few post below that "100 posts is 0.00005% of our population".

So that is around 200 million players.

So I wouldn't give much importance to Gayle Gray numbers

She is also a speaker for the company. If you choose to ignore it. Go for it. It is the closest thing to players given to date and the post was less than 24 hours old so it isn't ancient. It's quite relevant to the conversation.

She was probably trying to infer that 5% of the general population participates in forums but did it wrong. That's the number we always quote to people in web development when asked how active forums are.

I'm indifferent at this point. I don't play the game so I'm not coming to any conclusions about it but I see others still debating so why not give them facts to work with. The truth is, she is closer to the company than any of us are.

Originally posted by greenreen

Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

Originally posted by greenreen

This may shine some light on things.

"There are more than 2 million Guild Wars 2 accounts. Yes, 2,000,000+ accounts! With player volumes that high, there will be cheaters, exploiters, scammers, and of course, the occasional and deeply regretted error on our part, the unwarranted suspension or closure of an account."

Partial quote from: http://www.linkedin.com/in/gailegray on Guild Wars 2 official forum https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/support/account/Fear-of-Ban/first#post1138053

Now you know at best it is somewhere between 2m and 3m. The wording isn't clear whether it includes banned accounts but that gives you some general numbers to start arguing with. Go! lol

Think I counted 51 servers here.

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Updated-World-Ratings-Dec-28

She also said a few post below that "100 posts is 0.00005% of our population".

So that is around 200 million players.

So I wouldn't give much importance to Gayle Gray numbers

She is also a speaker for the company. If you choose to ignore it. Go for it. It is the closest thing to players given to date and the post was less than 24 hours old so it isn't ancient. It's quite relevant to the conversation.

She was probably trying to infer that 5% of the general population participates in forums but did it wrong. That's the number we always quote to people in web development when asked how active forums are.

I'm indifferent at this point. I don't play the game so I'm not coming to any conclusions about it but I see others still debating so why not give them facts to work with. The truth is, she is closer to the company than any of us are.

She was doing 100/2000000. She forgot to multiply by 100 to get the percentage.

She is a support liaison.

She uses the numbers that were given to her - and the 2 million+ was the number given in early September.

If you want sales numbers or numbers of active players good sources will be someone in a different position.

Originally posted by bcbully
I just wonder what these people are doing. It's not pvp or WvW. No more than 20 spvp servers running, that's about 300 people. 

We had WvW queues last night at about midnight east coast, Jade Quarry server. At least in the Tier 1 servers (only thing I can go by) there's quite a healthy WvW population out there.

Originally posted by Selo

Originally posted by DeniZg

Originally posted by ownprocess
Speaking purely from my own experience, on the Gandara EU server, the population seems healthy enough.  Plenty people running around the low level areas and easy enough to find groups for dungeons.

Agree.

Gandara had some issues in low level areas couple of weeks ago, but now it seems busy. People are probably taking some break from FOTM (finally).

Gandara, along with Desoliation are the servers where the English speaking communities are flooding to since many of the others are gettting empty.

The russians have now gathered on the russian server, and the french are still on vz.

You should take Far Shiverpeaks as an example instead. Arguably the best PvP server in EU, with loads of people , queues beeing up to 5 hours to join any battlefront. Then getting bandwagoned by all the free transfers bringing the queues up to 8 hours.

All the original players left since they couldnt get in to WvW. The big alliances stoped playing since they ccouldnt organize anything. The russians left the server. Population dropped like a stone along with its serverrank.

Now there no queues to any BF, no overflow in Lions Arch and all zones are empty most times of the day.

My guild had 100 members, now theres only 2 left playing. And theres several guilds with the same experiance.

The fanboys can deny it all they want, but the population has dropped alot.

Xfire IS a good indication, it has all kinds of players, casual, hardcore, old and young.

I would say the game has around 500k players, and many of them are afk in Lions Arch.

I'm from Far Shiverpeaks, and i stopped playing in December but i can confirm what he said about the population. Orr zones are perma-contested. Majority of people are in FotM i guess.... ANet made a wonderful big world, and after november update gave no reason to people to go there, aside levelling ofc.

Pratically GW2 became 90% instanced like GW1, except that GW1 gameplay is a 10 thousand times deeper.

The only important measure is 'peak/average concurrent users', and only EVE provides those numbers.

Knowing there are X accounts or Y subs tells you nothing about how many people are usually online.

I love these threads.

"The game is empty!"

"No one in the open world!"

"All areas contested!"

Of course then I go play (top two images today just a few minutes ago, 3rd yesterday) and I get to do DE's with tons of people in the most remote areas of the game.

Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

Originally posted by greenreen

Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

Originally posted by greenreen

This may shine some light on things.

"There are more than 2 million Guild Wars 2 accounts. Yes, 2,000,000+ accounts! With player volumes that high, there will be cheaters, exploiters, scammers, and of course, the occasional and deeply regretted error on our part, the unwarranted suspension or closure of an account."

Partial quote from: http://www.linkedin.com/in/gailegray on Guild Wars 2 official forum https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/support/account/Fear-of-Ban/first#post1138053

Now you know at best it is somewhere between 2m and 3m. The wording isn't clear whether it includes banned accounts but that gives you some general numbers to start arguing with. Go! lol

Think I counted 51 servers here.

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Updated-World-Ratings-Dec-28

She also said a few post below that "100 posts is 0.00005% of our population".

So that is around 200 million players.

So I wouldn't give much importance to Gayle Gray numbers

She is also a speaker for the company. If you choose to ignore it. Go for it. It is the closest thing to players given to date and the post was less than 24 hours old so it isn't ancient. It's quite relevant to the conversation.

She was probably trying to infer that 5% of the general population participates in forums but did it wrong. That's the number we always quote to people in web development when asked how active forums are.

I'm indifferent at this point. I don't play the game so I'm not coming to any conclusions about it but I see others still debating so why not give them facts to work with. The truth is, she is closer to the company than any of us are.

She was doing 100/2000000. She forgot to multiply by 100 to get the percentage.

She is a support liaison.

She uses the numbers that were given to her - and the 2 million+ was the number given in early September.

If you want sales numbers or numbers of active players good sources will be someone in a different position.

 

Gaile Gray was the support liason during GW1 but she got promoted and works for NCSoft/A.Net - she is not some underling like you are making her out to be.