Please indulge me.

After the initial shock of GW2 getting GOTY second place against Pirates 101, I was really thinking about all the innovative features that must have contributed for GW2 Most Innovative award.

And besides Fractals, I could not find anything in GW2 that has not been already created before in other games.

Do you see any other innovation of GW2 that is eluding me?

So what the hell was the award supposed to go to then? It isn't like this was a real remarkable year far as that goes with mmos.

Compared to what else is out there seems worthy of the award to me.

Now far as this winning game of the year accolades on other sites and publications I do have an issue with those. Doesn't deserve it far as I'm concerned. But I can see why the game would get the nod for this for points that have already been discussed ad nauseam around here. I'm sure you know what they are already so I'll save the bickering for someone else to dredge those up for the hundredth time.

Originally posted by RedJorge

Please indulge me.

After the initial shock of GW2 getting GOTY second place against Pirates 101, I was really thinking about all the innovative features that must have contributed for GW2 Most Innovative award.

And besides Fractals, I could not find anything in GW2 that has not been already created before in other games.

Do you see any other innovation of GW2 that is eluding me?

They spent most for advertising on these sites. That is all, nothing else to it. That is also why they won best game on so many sites. It's a payed competition, ask some insiders how "ratings" are done. It is a well known fact that review sites are all payed with advertisements.

Originally posted by RedJorge

Please indulge me.

After the initial shock of GW2 getting GOTY second place against Pirates 101, I was really thinking about all the innovative features that must have contributed for GW2 Most Innovative award.

And besides Fractals, I could not find anything in GW2 that has not been already created before in other games.

Do you see any other innovation of GW2 that is eluding me?

I would say the layout of the world with its hearts, vistas, and discovery points and the structure of its classes are pretty innovative as well. However saying that, I don't feel that all of these are necessarily positive innovations.

I haven't played Pirates 101 and since I did not like Wizard 101 that much, I probably will never play it. I don't know how it compares to GW2 for innovation. The other entries on the list do not strike me as particularly innovative, so I am not surprised that GW2 beat the others to pick up this spot.

Originally posted by RedJorge

Please indulge me.

After the initial shock of GW2 getting GOTY second place against Pirates 101, I was really thinking about all the innovative features that must have contributed for GW2 Most Innovative award.

And besides Fractals, I could not find anything in GW2 that has not been already created before in other games.

Do you see any other innovation of GW2 that is eluding me?

Innovation and invention are 2 different things. To me innovation is taking something and improving apon it.

cars had crank windows and the innovation was the electic window. the innovation to the electic window was the automatic electric window.

Now as far as my opinion goes, i myself didnt see much innovation in GW2 ( I didnt feel they approved on much ) but that doesent mean its not there. prespective and all.

One mans innovation is another mans inconvenience. luck for me you can still buy cars with crank windows.

Originally posted by RedJorge

Please indulge me.

After the initial shock of GW2 getting GOTY second place against Pirates 101, I was really thinking about all the innovative features that must have contributed for GW2 Most Innovative award.

And besides Fractals, I could not find anything in GW2 that has not been already created before in other games.

Do you see any other innovation of GW2 that is eluding me?

I made a thread about a week ago asking "if you are still playing, what are you doing?"

Answers were -

leveling alts

dailies

Spvp (battle grounds)

dungeons 

WvW

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/5467199#5467199

Sounds fimiliar huh?

Originally posted by RedJorge

Please indulge me.

After the initial shock of GW2 getting GOTY second place against Pirates 101, I was really thinking about all the innovative features that must have contributed for GW2 Most Innovative award.

And besides Fractals, I could not find anything in GW2 that has not been already created before in other games.

Do you see any other innovation of GW2 that is eluding me?

(just look at the Award thread) Innovation for Most Rabid Fanbase of any game to date? 

That is until they grow bored of the game and drop completely off the map and we don't hear from them until they sheepishly start posting how they're not playing anymore "but but but it's a great game!"

As for the innovations? A short Google search yields a link to this very forum and a topic made here by someone who is now Deleted. Someone called him Cal *shrug* I don't know who that was.

The question was asked and I will simply post what was posted a while ago. I'd like to add that by posting the following, it doesn't mean I agree with the list or anything. I'd like to be as neutral as possible in this.

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/473/view/forums/thread/333764/List-of-GW2-Innovations.html

Originally posted by bcbully

I made a thread about a week agao asking "if you are still playing, what are you doing?"

Answers were -

dailies

Spvp (battle grounds)

dungeons 

WvW

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/5467199#5467199

Sounds fimiliar huh?

 

The endgame is pretty much the same true as many other games. The journey to get there is packaged differently than in many games and the classes are set up differently. So yes, some similarities and some differences.

Well people just vote for their favourite game, GW2 got a decent fanbase I guess so thats that.

Also the game is hardly innovative, if anything it's good at reusing older less popular features from other games.

Originally posted by RedJorge

Please indulge me.

After the initial shock of GW2 getting GOTY second place against Pirates 101, I was really thinking about all the innovative features that must have contributed for GW2 Most Innovative award.

And besides Fractals, I could not find anything in GW2 that has not been already created before in other games.

Do you see any other innovation of GW2 that is eluding me?

No, it's a win by default.  This year was a complete bust after all the hype of what it was supposed to bring.  Also the Fact that Pirate 101 won game of the year is making me think the Trolls are starting to win the take over of mmorpg.com.

Originally posted by NBlitz

Combat: Casting while moving No auto attack (you can set any skill on your bar to autocast, and one of them will be spammable) Attacks don't need a target, they'll hit whatever gets in their way Dodging attacks and projectiles Shield stance blocks projectiles from hitting you and people behind you Limited No subscription fee ....

Just read this massive list (well most of it, quickly)...

Almost none of it was innovative. 

Game has a lot of nice features, but far from innovative.  It should get an award for best "Free 2 Play" game award.  Yes, i know you have to buy it up front but after that you're not limited AT ALL by having no sub fee.

I've seen nothing innovative in gw2, except if you can call endlessly looping "dynamic" *cough* events innovative.

Originally posted by taus01

Originally posted by RedJorge

Please indulge me.

After the initial shock of GW2 getting GOTY second place against Pirates 101, I was really thinking about all the innovative features that must have contributed for GW2 Most Innovative award.

And besides Fractals, I could not find anything in GW2 that has not been already created before in other games.

Do you see any other innovation of GW2 that is eluding me?

 

They spent most for advertising on these sites. That is all, nothing else to it. That is also why they won best game on so many sites. It's a payed competition, ask some insiders how "ratings" are done. It is a well known fact that review sites are all payed with advertisements.

It's a PLAYERS choice.  You can't blame the website if that's what the people clicked.  It's not the website's fault if you don't agree with what the majority clicked.  I didn't vote for GW2 either, but I'm not going to spill my sour grapes all over the forums and blame 'the man'.

Keep in mind that innovative is not the same as inventing. Inventing means creating something new where as innovative means doing something new from something that already exists. So with that I think GW 2 deserved that because:

1. Dynamic Events is arguably doing WARs Public Quest and rifts in Rift in a new way.
2. Weapon swapping in combat was also done in a new sort of way.
3. The World vs World mechanic is yet another innovative way of doing RvR
4. Finally these vista mechanic is also pretty innovative.
5. Lack of trinity system. Again games like AC 1 did it long time ago but GW 2 did it in a new way.

Originally posted by NBlitz

Originally posted by RedJorge

Please indulge me.

After the initial shock of GW2 getting GOTY second place against Pirates 101, I was really thinking about all the innovative features that must have contributed for GW2 Most Innovative award.

And besides Fractals, I could not find anything in GW2 that has not been already created before in other games.

Do you see any other innovation of GW2 that is eluding me?

(just look at the Award thread) Innovation for Most Rabid Fanbase of any game to date? 

That is until they grow bored of the game and drop completely off the map and we don't hear from them until they sheepishly start posting how they're not playing anymore "but but but it's a great game!"

 

As for the innovations? A short Google search yields a link to this very forum and a topic made here by someone who is now Deleted. Someone called him Cal *shrug* I don't know who that was.

 

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/473/view/forums/thread/333764/List-of-GW2-Innovations.html

Combat: Casting while moving No auto attack (you can set any skill on your bar to autocast, and one of them will be spammable) Attacks don't need a target, they'll hit whatever gets in their way Dodging attacks and projectiles Shield stance blocks projectiles from hitting you and people behind you Limited skillbar No holy trinity, players aren't locked into one role to the exclusion of all others Skills fit into broad categories of damage, control, or support Weapon(s) determine half your skill bar and give different skills than other weapons Players can potentially switch roles in combat (if weapon/skill choices plan for it) No ally targeted abilities Everyone has a self-heal ability which is the most powerful heal Downed state before dying, killing an enemy rallies you Downed state gives you a new, limited skillbar to fight back with Any player can rez anyone mid combat anytime, including NPCs. Very minimal death penalty. Picking up an environmental weapon changes your skillbar Thieves can steal environmental weapons from enemies You get full xp and loot for helping kill a mob whether grouped or ungrouped Hundreds of cross profession combos to enhance the effect of your skills, even ungrouped Mob aggro based on proximity and other factors NPC enemies can dodge your attacks NPC attacks may be deadlier due to ability of players to dodge and revive No mana/energy for any class (subject to change) Only four attributes.  Power affects melee, range and spell damage All professions viable at both melee and range Underwater: Desire to have underwater be huge part of the world You have underwater only weapons Skills change to underwater versions Skills use the Z-axis No breath meter Drowned state, it's like downed state, but you can also get to the surface to rally Underwater friendly races and towns Rangers have underwater pets Dynamic Events: Completely replace quests in the open world Run whether players are there or not They actually happen instead of just being told about them Failable and not necessarily repeatable on failure Allow for victory and failure conditions not easily accomplished with quests Run in cycles so they're repeatable Encourage community by letting everyone participate at the same time Instantly scale up or down with number of players participating Reward everyone involved based on their amount of participation Chain together to keep people working together longer Affect the world in terms of what merchants sell and which waypoints are available Don't always run so you'll see different things when revisiting a zone Constantly adding new events to enhance replayability Boss fights which scale with number of players up to 100 Open World: Entirely PVE No factions Designed to be as griefless as possible No race/class restrictions Phased gathering nodes that allow everyone to have a shot at them. Everyone can gather everything so no waiting on others/making people wait No set path through zones Automentoring keeps entire world's content rewarding and challenging Manual sidekicking to a higher level friend City to city ports so you can play with friends immediately. Teleportation to any waypoint you've unlocked Hidden events to reward explorers Day/night cycle which can affect your weapons' procs as well as trigger DEs at certain times Dynamic weather can trigger DEs (when snow falls) or be changed by DEs (NPC causes snow) Tasks to fill hearts in the open world, for completionists and NPC goodwill Boss fights at the end of all the tutorials put you right into the action Personal Story: Everyone has one big storyline from creation to level cap Choices made at character creation affect it Choices in game have consequences and can branch it Each player has a Home Instance section of town Character personality gives different dialog options and affects how NPCs react to you PVP: 3 Faction World PVP against two other servers in large 4-zone maps No fixed limit to number of participants (though eventually technology would limit it) W/L record is kept After 2 weeks, your server is matched up against new, equal strength servers Winning server gets PVE buff of some kind Castles and keeps to hold, dynamic events to fight over, trade routes Destructable environments Players can level up entirely in World PVP Enemy players drop loot as if they were PVE enemies Hot joinable Structured PVP Structured PVP with custom rulesets Players in structured PVP are max level with all skills and gear so it's a level playing field PVP balanced separately from PVE Dungeons: Dungeons have a story mode separate from your personal story Completing story mode unlocks 3 explorable mode paths These show the consequences of the story mode There are random/hidden events in dungeons No raiding Get a token for armor/weapon everytime you complete a dungeon, no hoping for random drop Miscellaneous: Flat leveling curve Players can be in multiple guilds No endgame vertical gear progression in power 30+ Minigames in cities 400 dye colors, each piece of armor has three color sections Gear that can take up more than one armor slot Grindless crafting with discoverable recipes Use an iPad to see what your friends are doing in game and send them messages Auction house available from outside the game Translatable fictional languages Unconventional NPC races with deep lore Add your own music to ingame playlists, your battle music will start when you enter combat Playlists revert to in game music during cinematics Carrier pigeons deliver your mail to you No subscription fee

 Let me see here:

Running while casting -- i'm pretty fucking sure WoW and other MMO's have that EXACT same feature. Lets take a look at Mages, or Paladins, or maybe even Shamans.

No auto attack -- If i do remember correctly, you can place auto attacks on your hotbar, every single class has a spell you can spam willingly until you run out of mana, rage, focus, or energy.

Attacks don't need a target -- Let me look at Warlock AoE's, Druid's knockbacks, mind if i see Shaman's aswell.. and the list goes on.

Dodging attacks and projectiles -- Wait a second, dodging in an MMO? Hitcap for PvP/PvE? Do i need to go any further?

Shield stance blocks other attacks from hitting people behind you -- The fuck does a tank do in WoW? Sit there and take only part of the damage?

Skills fit into broad categories of damage, control, or support -- Oh, paladin back up healing? Shaman back up healing? Druid back up healing? Monk back up healing? CCing by Warlocks, Shamans, Warriors, Paladins, Monks, Priests, Druids, Death Knights... really?

I could honestly go on, but i do not want to type a flat out counter-arguement with that entire paragraphs of nothing, because the way i see, almost EVERY single MMO has ALL those 'innovative' moves that has been see before...