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  Quizzical

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12/26/12 11:32:20 PM#21
Originally posted by joojoo1975
Originally posted by Quizzicalthankyou again for your replies.

If you're going to buy that computer, then you'd best replace the power supply right away, as the one it came with is a piece of junk.  

It's 700Watts?  If you see what the name of the PSU is, pls fill me in. 

 

The video card is low end, too, and not any faster than modern integrated graphics.  

what's the 2GB for, though after lookin at the benchmark and what not, i'm kinda pissed.  What am i supposed to look for when i'm lookin for a graphics card, i thought the memory was a good indication.

 

 

If you can't or won't build your own, then the next best thing is to get one built to order from a site that lets you pick the exact parts.  That means you'll pay about a 10%-20% premium for someone else to use a screwdriver for you, but it does at least let you get something nice.

I give up.  I'm 37 yrs old and I work full time.  How you guys talk you make it sound like it's putting legos together.  I look in the computer case and i'm baffeled, as well as tryin to figure out how to install OS, not to mention drivers and what not.

 

No thankyou.  the more I read all ya's posts, the more i wish I bought a console :(

 

ok, well you saw what i'm willing to buy, is there any pre made computer any of ya's would had chosen?

 

as always thankyou for your responces.

 

what do you all think of an ASUS EAH4850 1GB vid card(it is still in my old comp)

Try this:

http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Gamer_Ultra_7500

Swap out the processor for an FX-6300 and the video card for a Radeon HD 7770, and it comes to $674.  If you wanted to, you could chop a little bit off of that price tag by going with the stock heatsink and skipping the keyboard and mouse.  If 120 GB is enough capacity for you, then you could also save $20 by going with a Samsung 840 SSD instead of a hard drive.

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Look at the power supplies they offer.  They're lowest one is a Corsair CX430 V2, which is definitely a budget power supply, but decent enough.  They also offer a "standard" 700 W power supply that is cheaper than that.  You know why the "700 W" power supply is cheaper?  Because it's a piece of junk.

The thing you need to know is that the nominal wattage on a power supply is a marketing number, not an engineering one.  If you have a physical power supply in your possession, there isn't any physical test that you can run to tell you what wattage the power supply is.  The nominal wattage is basically the power supply vendor's promise that you can pull up to that amount and it will work.

Corsair has a reputation to protect, if they claim a power supply can deliver 430 W, then it probably can do so in the real world and without causing any problems.  Corsair isn't the only vendor with such a reputation to protect, but they are a reputable power supply vendor.

But a lot of power supply vendors aren't trying to protect their reputation, and will put inflated nominal wattage numbers on a piece of junk to try to trick people who don't know any better into buying it.  That's the case with the "700 W" power supply that is listed (which is probably made by Xtreme Gear, since that's Cyber Power PC's house brand).

For example, look here, where they test and compare three "550 W" power supplies:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3985/three-550w-psus-for-different-prices

One of the three is a very nice product, one is decent enough, and one exploded when they tried to pull 275 W from it.  And if you want to see just how bad power supplies can get, try this:

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=324

That's not what you want in your machine.  The problem with bad power supplies is that when they die, they don't necessarily die alone; sometimes they fry everything else in the system as they die.

Confused yet?  Basically, there are a few ways to pick a power supply.  One is to read a ton of reviews to figure out which web sites are good and then buy something they've given a favorable review to.  Another is to ask someone else who has done so what you should get.  You can also figure out which brands are good (e.g., Seasonic, Corsair, Antec, XFX), and just buy something from a brand that refuses to sell garbage power supplies.

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Video cards can be hard to figure out how they perform.  You can try reading reviews that compare cards, but it can be hard to get a good baseline and figure out what matters.  The model numbers don't necessarily help much, either, as they're really just ID numbers for different cards and mean whatever marketing decides they ought to mean.  In this case, a GeForce GT 620 is really just a GeForce GT 430 that Nvidia marketing decided to award an extra 190 naming points to in order to make the card sound newer and better.

If you really want to dig into it, you can get a good idea of how a given card will perform from how many shaders, TMUs, and ROPs it has, how they're clocked, and how much memory bandwidth it has.

Some marketing people have figured out that some people who know nothing about video cards can be convinced to overpay for low end video cards with stupidly large amounts of video memory, so they make and sell such cards.  Video memory is really just a case of either you have enough or you don't, and if you do have enough, then adding more doesn't help you a bit.  1 GB is enough for most people, though you may want 2 GB if you want to play at high resolutions (loosely, anything above 1920x1080) or are particularly fond of extra high-resolution textures and the few games that offer them.  On your budget, 1 GB should be plenty, as there are better ways to spend your money than getting extra video memory.

For what it's worth, a Radeon HD 7770 offers about triple the performance of a GeForce GT 620.

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Legos are hard.  You can piece them together any which way and they fit, even if you're doing it wrong.  Assembling a computer is more akin to a 30-piece puzzle that can only fit together one way.

But if you really don't want to try it yourself, it's better to get one built to order (as in my link at the start of this post) than to pick something prebuilt at random.  Prebuilt computers are usually loaded with cheap junk parts because they know that people who know enough to protest cheap junk parts aren't even going to look at buying a computer off the shelf.

  Souldrainer

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12/27/12 12:22:01 AM#22
Video card RAM is important for multi-monitor setups and stuff. But, otherwise, most of us need help sorting out cards. This is a great site to figure out video cards: www.hwcompare.com

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  joojoo1975

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Joined: 12/23/08
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OP  12/27/12 12:55:51 AM#23

good info there, and it's official I'm tired of computers.  I've just looked at some of the power supply units in my old computers.  I'm not happy, not happy at all/

 

thankyou all for your replies.

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  Mothanos

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Joined: 10/20/10
Posts: 1563

12/27/12 1:10:45 AM#24

Building your own system is like playing with lego - you cant go wrong with that since a long time.

The price you pay for prebuild system is way out of line.
When you build your own system you get at least 2 times the performance back for the price you would normaly pay.

If you want to game on a PC i highly recomend building your own systems or at least learn how to build it.
It only contains a few parts witha few bolts and wires sometimes a little cooling paste but nothing you need a geek or nerd for anymore.
Those days a long past us :)


Start with:

Case + coolers
Motherboard
CPU
GPU
Memory
hard-drive
CD/DvD-rom

Thats it :P

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  User Deleted
12/27/12 1:15:16 AM#25

I found a thread on the issue of inexpensive low-power GPUs.  Some interesting suggestions.

 

http://www.overclock.net/t/1236770/best-low-power-video-card

  Souldrainer

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12/27/12 2:11:17 PM#26
Originally posted by joojoo1975

good info there, and it's official I'm tired of computers.  I've just looked at some of the power supply units in my old computers.  I'm not happy, not happy at all/

 

thankyou all for your replies.

Dude, you are only 38.  You ain't too old to start new hobbies!  Just think of this... your savings and quality in the long haul will be massive!

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