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  Karteli

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12/22/12 3:39:00 PM#41
Originally posted by KingJiggly
This website has a much larger hardcore crowd, and gw2 was made for casuals, which hardcores despise (what is funny casuals do not realize it). Gw2 represents a change in the genre of mmos, significant enough it shocked many hardcores at it is different from their common games. This isn't a bad thing, one just has to understand the different communities.

It's not entirely a shift in MMO's.  Farmville existed long before GW2, and was REALLY popular (as well as all Zynga's games 'villes).  But GW2 had better graphics, and that attracts the crowd who love graphics over gameplay.  It also attracts anyone looking for newer technology.

 

The hardcores want a game that is deep, complex, and worth playing for years.  But don't discount them so fast, KingJiggly.  Those are the folks who made computer games popular in the first place.  You wouldn't be playing your GW2 if it weren't for, say, the popularity of games on the Apple 2e, which drove sales up, costs down, and lead to IBM machines.  Home computers wouldn't be very much if they were simply business only.  Games pushed them into the monsters they are today, and it was those hardcore gamers who drove innovation in hardware .. those who allowed GW2 to take place.  Don't forget your roots, as a gamer.

 

The fact that another casual game exists isn't surprising.  Life is about learning, and those hardcore fans learned a great deal about Hype .. just because a game has pretty graphics doesn't mean it has longevity.  Give me EverQuest .. it was social .. it could be casual if you allowed it to be .. and with every passing day I felt progress.

 

I wasn't hardcore in EQ btw .. I just played occasionally through the week, since I had 2 jobs.  But every moment I spent with other players was magical.  Sorry GW2 doesn't have the same effect (I couldn't even name 1 other person in GW2).

 

GW2 feels that, I, as a gamer, am going in the wrong direction.  You might feel differently, but GW2 is counterproductive to quality MMORPG's.  :/

 

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  User Deleted
12/22/12 3:40:26 PM#42
The hype machine is a fickle one.
  eyelolled

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12/22/12 4:50:00 PM#43

I think there are alot of complaints because certain people just don't understand some things.

There are people standing around looking for the "!" mark to be hovering over a persons head. It's probably a real immersion breaker if the NPC's don't have the "!" They get frustrated because they'd like to join that group of people fighting the pack of Ettins but they just don't see the quest giver anywhere.

 

They see people run up and mine a resource node, so they turn around and walk away sadfaced. They don't even try to mine the node because every other game screwed them over for resources shared between all players.

 

They look at the armor and make sad faces because the armor they want to wear doesn't look as cool as the armor they are wearing but has much better stats.  They don't understand that you can use a transmutation stone to transfer the item skin, and justifiably, that is a tough one to comprehend.

 

They are puzzled by the fact of jumping puzzles being in a mmorpg. They still think that mmorpg are about smashing your face into a wall 500 times each night to finally gain a reward after 2 months. Then you start on the next wall.

 

They are ticked because their masterwork game didn't get nominated for an award at any gaming website, and they want to share their rage.

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  killion81

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12/22/12 4:53:49 PM#44
Originally posted by eyelolled

I think there are alot of complaints because certain people just don't understand some things.

There are people standing around looking for the "!" mark to be hovering over a persons head. It's probably a real immersion breaker if the NPC's don't have the "!" They get frustrated because they'd like to join that group of people fighting the pack of Ettins but they just don't see the quest giver anywhere.

 

They see people run up and mine a resource node, so they turn around and walk away sadfaced. They don't even try to mine the node because every other game screwed them over for resources shared between all players.

 

They look at the armor and make sad faces because the armor they want to wear doesn't look as cool as the armor they are wearing but has much better stats.  They don't understand that you can use a transmutation stone to transfer the item skin, and justifiably, that is a tough one to comprehend.

 

They are puzzled by the fact of jumping puzzles being in a mmorpg. They still think that mmorpg are about smashing your face into a wall 500 times each night to finally gain a reward after 2 months. Then you start on the next wall.

 

They are ticked because their masterwork game didn't get nominated for an award at any gaming website, and they want to share their rage.

 

In this post, it looks like you are saying that anyone who doesn't like GW2 is incapable of understanding the simple systems used within the game.  Just to be clear, is that what you are saying?

  dimnikar

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12/22/12 4:55:09 PM#45
Originally posted by eyelolled

They look at the armor and make sad faces because the armor they want to wear doesn't look as cool as the armor they are wearing but has much better stats.  They don't understand that you can use a transmutation stone to transfer the item skin, and justifiably, that is a tough one to comprehend.

 

Yeah, because other games only had that feature for bloody years.

The simple fact of the matter is that GW2 bashing is an equal and opposite reaction to the laughably incorrect predictions of what GW2 was going to be by it's fanbase.

 

I'll never forget laughing myself off my chair when a friend cited "map completion" as a remarkable feature in a videogame.

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  User Deleted
12/22/12 4:55:59 PM#46

well right now OP I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. Their recent addition of the gear treadmill sent me for a loop and now their endless DR traps are really getting tiresome (of which they said it was the communities imagination). 

So As the game is now, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone because they'll fall into the same trappings of getting to level 80 and being herded to the store to purchase gems for gold to do anything including get exotic gear.

Hold onto your chairs because yes I said that. I've turned the game off for now.

  RedJorge

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12/22/12 5:01:33 PM#47
Originally posted by Voicekrack
Guild Wars 2 is a great game, i've enjoyed it for a while now. Why that every time i get on mmorpg.com there are so many people bashing it?

Actually most of the people is not bashing the game itself but the team managing it due to obvious mismanagement.

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  KingJiggly

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Definition for innovation is below. Your welcome.

12/22/12 5:02:09 PM#48
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by KingJiggly
This website has a much larger hardcore crowd, and gw2 was made for casuals, which hardcores despise (what is funny casuals do not realize it). Gw2 represents a change in the genre of mmos, significant enough it shocked many hardcores at it is different from their common games. This isn't a bad thing, one just has to understand the different communities.

It's not entirely a shift in MMO's.  Farmville existed long before GW2, and was REALLY popular (as well as all Zynga's games 'villes).  But GW2 had better graphics, and that attracts the crowd who love graphics over gameplay.  It also attracts anyone looking for newer technology.

 

The hardcores want a game that is deep, complex, and worth playing for years.  But don't discount them so fast, KingJiggly.  Those are the folks who made computer games popular in the first place.  You wouldn't be playing your GW2 if it weren't for, say, the popularity of games on the Apple 2e, which drove sales up, costs down, and lead to IBM machines.  Home computers wouldn't be very much if they were simply business only.  Games pushed them into the monsters they are today, and it was those hardcore gamers who drove innovation in hardware .. those who allowed GW2 to take place.  Don't forget your roots, as a gamer.

 

The fact that another casual game exists isn't surprising.  Life is about learning, and those hardcore fans learned a great deal about Hype .. just because a game has pretty graphics doesn't mean it has longevity.  Give me EverQuest .. it was social .. it could be casual if you allowed it to be .. and with every passing day I felt progress.

 

I wasn't hardcore in EQ btw .. I just played occasionally through the week, since I had 2 jobs.  But every moment I spent with other players was magical.  Sorry GW2 doesn't have the same effect (I couldn't even name 1 other person in GW2).

 

GW2 feels that, I, as a gamer, am going in the wrong direction.  You might feel differently, but GW2 is counterproductive to quality MMORPG's.  :/

 

Thank you for the reply, I enjoyed reading it. 

I am not discounting the hardcore players, much less the fact they made online gaming into what it is today. There will always be MMOs for them, however gw2 is definantly not one of them. Gw2 was made for the casual players, and has moved on from the rather small harccore crowd to seek larger populations and communities. Simply becuase my grandfather (as in the past hardcore players) enjoyed this type of game, doesn't mean the future generation will. And, well, the fute gen haven't. Guild wars 2 has reached this population tremendously, as many people at my school (about 30) have taken up gw2, people who haven't enjoyed mmos in years. I dont mean any disrespect, but your age as gamers has come and gone, and this is where it seems to be heading.  My roots are with the new generation, I am still in High School :p 

  Look at the rise of league of legends. I am not going to argue you other points as they are opinion, however as a casual gamer I feel gw2 is a step in the right direction, and if that style of game is built upon more, it will be more succesful than any MMO before it. 

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  eyelolled

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12/22/12 5:04:08 PM#49
Originally posted by killion81
Originally posted by eyelolled

I think there are alot of complaints because certain people just don't understand some things.

There are people standing around looking for the "!" mark to be hovering over a persons head. It's probably a real immersion breaker if the NPC's don't have the "!" They get frustrated because they'd like to join that group of people fighting the pack of Ettins but they just don't see the quest giver anywhere.

 

They see people run up and mine a resource node, so they turn around and walk away sadfaced. They don't even try to mine the node because every other game screwed them over for resources shared between all players.

 

They look at the armor and make sad faces because the armor they want to wear doesn't look as cool as the armor they are wearing but has much better stats.  They don't understand that you can use a transmutation stone to transfer the item skin, and justifiably, that is a tough one to comprehend.

 

They are puzzled by the fact of jumping puzzles being in a mmorpg. They still think that mmorpg are about smashing your face into a wall 500 times each night to finally gain a reward after 2 months. Then you start on the next wall.

 

They are ticked because their masterwork game didn't get nominated for an award at any gaming website, and they want to share their rage.

 

In this post, it looks like you are saying that anyone who doesn't like GW2 is incapable of understanding the simple systems used within the game.  Just to be clear, is that what you are saying?

Just to be clear, in my post I stated that I felt there were certain people that suffered from those problems, and there have been those EXACT posted complaints on this very site (except for the jumping puzzle one, the face smashing part was how I felt in AION). And no I'm not going to look them up for you.

 

So just to be clear, my post stands exactly the way that I posted it. You can take from it what you want.

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  Alberel

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12/22/12 5:10:56 PM#50

For me personally the game itself was ok, but ANet themselves have proven themselves to be incompetent. The majority of bugs since beta (especially profession bugs and broken traits) remain broken. They added a new tier of stats despite saying they advocated horizontal progression. They have absolutely abysmal communication with their playerbase, to the extent that they outright lied about the implementation of the ascended gear (one of the devs said something in a Reddit Q&A that contradicted another dev in the blog).

The Karka patch made it pretty obvious to a lot of players that ANet had lost out to either NCSoft or Nexon, especially with all the subtle hints in the patch that were obvious cries for help from the dev team (there was a jumping puzzle randomly titled 'Under New Management' among other things).

You'll find the majority of the really vocal bashing started after that Karka patch which is when a LOT of people left due to the ascended gear debacle. The game had the potential to be great but it seems NCSoft or Nexon got greedy and pushed the game in a direction contrary to what a lot of people bought it for.

  Scorchien

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12/22/12 5:13:13 PM#51
 I think , rumor has it that its like the Wind ............
  xAPOCx

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12/22/12 5:21:28 PM#52
Originally posted by Voicekrack
Guild Wars 2 is a great game, i've enjoyed it for a while now. Why that every time i get on mmorpg.com there are so many people bashing it?


  Zinzan

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12/22/12 5:29:45 PM#53
Originally posted by Voicekrack
Guild Wars 2 is a great game, i've enjoyed it for a while now. Why that every time i get on mmorpg.com there are so many people bashing it?

Same reason these same people slammed WoW, Rift, Aion, SWTOR, LOTRO etc etc, it's the "in" thing to do.

Most won't have even played the game, some might not know anything about it whatsoever, they just like to rant and troll.

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  Icewhite

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12/22/12 5:32:06 PM#54

Just review the major releases over the last eight years, ranked by Units Sold.

The dedication & 'volume' of the Haters is directly proportional.

Didn't we already observe this from the 'most hated' poll? It really is just that simple.

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  AlBQuirky

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12/22/12 5:42:04 PM#55


Originally posted by elitero

Originally posted by Mannish
OP just curious to how long have you been playing Guild Wars 2 and also what other mmos have you played and enjoyed?

Oh look here comes "because you enjoy GW2 you must be new to the MMO genre".   Nice lets see what other characters can come along with the elitist comments.

wow... That is some boulder you carry on your shoulder, daring others to knock off for you. How do you walk upright with all that weight there?

Mannish's question, to me, was a valid query to find out what kinds of games the OP likes. There was nothing inferred, implied, or intended with his question, I think.

Would an "old school" player seeking a long term investment in a living, breathing world think the same way as a player who enjoys quick, lobby based instanced games? Those are the two extremes with a lot games falling in-between.

There are players who enjoy GW2. There are those that don't. Different players seeking different forms of fun from the games they play. A player's gaming history factors into a response to their question.

Just remember, the higher the hype, the harder the fall.

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  TheHavok

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12/22/12 5:45:46 PM#56

Two reasons:

1)People on mmorpg.com hyped the hell out of the game. There were a lot of guild war 2 cheerleaders during beta.  Even the mods were caught up in this hype and that is why GW2 has more subforums then any game on this site.

2)  The game is popular but has its faults.  People hate popular things on this site (look at all the hate WoW got over the years).  Therefore, rather then agree the game is good, a lot of people would just rather point out its faults and mark it as a bad game.

Personally, I think the game is good and I still play it for the PvP alone.  But the game is still a baby and needs to go through some growing pains and get some more polish.

  Lizardone

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12/22/12 5:48:34 PM#57
because it's the game that many haterz wanted to fail, and it ain't
  Karteli

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12/22/12 5:58:14 PM#58
Originally posted by Lizardone
because it's the game that many haterz wanted to fail, and it ain't

So gamers bought this game and supported ArenaNet just to send a statement about it failing?  Re-evaluate what you said please.  Your short-winded argument doesn't float.

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  Corehaven

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I swear by my pretty floral bonnet, I will end you.

12/22/12 6:03:14 PM#59

It's the overly vocal few, who, despite hating the game see the desperate need to post what they don't like about the game in every single GW2 thread. 

I'm not even exaggerating.

 

Check the GW2 forum here on the site.  Then please notice those saying they don't like the game.  Note their name and avatar.  Then go to the next thread.  Oh look there they are again.  And the next thread.  Again.  And the next thread.....again. 

 

In fact, several of them are in THIS thread too!  So start here and work your way backwards through the threads and you'll see the same haters in every single thread.  Seriously.   I know people say, " It's just the same people hating the game in every thread." and I find that usually to be an exaggeration but this is not. 

 

It literally is that bad.  Don't take my word for it.  Look through the GW2 threads.  I mean some of these posters are freaking relentless.  Its about a dozen people who never miss the opportunity to post in a GW2 thread and say something negative.

  Maelzrael

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I like games.

12/22/12 6:04:49 PM#60
One word, Hipsters.

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