Originally posted by jpnz

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by jpnz

Pretty impressed at the level of changes happening with the SWTOR's F2P model.

I give credit where it is due and it is certainly due in this case.

What is there to be impressed about?

The char slots should have been in game at F2P launch, as has been standard in every F2P game, and they have been saying will happen for over a month, and preffered status people waiting to create more chars have been virtually locked out of the game since Nov 15th

Any credit due for F2P, goes to Perfect World for STO

I don't know what there is to be impressed about actually.

Its not as if I wrote what I was impressed about and then have you quote it. 

Hang on... LOLWUT?

/FACEPALM

 

EA listened to player feedback and made the changes.

Should EA not have listen to player feedback?

You do know making changes to software takes time right?

I'm not sure if your demand that EA create a time machine so they can make the changes to your personal preference 3 months ago is a reasonable demand though. Just a thought.

Who am I kidding, you'll just move the goal post again. LOL.

I think they would have allowed more char slots regardless, as the Legacy system is built around having LOADS (up to 8 per server) of characters, so I do not think they listened to players at all, with the exception of not blocking out the toons, but after all this time it would not have been nice to block extra chars (above the base of 6).

I think they should have just put Makeb in first, and then did F2P if their F2P system was not ready. Quite a few people would have returned for Makeb as it gave more gamepley to play, whereas F2P just lets you play the same tired game for free.

However, I think they coule have done the extra char slots from Nove 15th, but they delayed them on purpose to force people to sub - You could get 12 char slots if you sub, you sub, then create 12 slots and then cancel and then you have 12 slots to play with as preferred. Now if you want more than 12 char slots, if you did create the max, you will now need to pay $35 just to get one more.

It now makes their F2P a mess.

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by Gaborik

Originally posted by Karteli

EA continually keeps stating how they are constantly listening to feedback ..... BUT ...

 

In EA's latest video trailer (F2P episode #3 posted today), the spokesperson reveals just how little they are concerned with feedback, from customers or the press, as EA continues to push cash-shop items: "[Lifeday items] are limited time offers, so now is the time to jump In." ... Some fireworks for $3, robes $9, vehicle with christmas lights $18, holotree $6 .. orbs .. bombs, stuff with animations, few bucks here, few bucks there ... everything .. money money money $ $ $, give us money, lol.

Are players really going to jump in and start playing SWTOR just to use the cash-shop?  EA seems so far removed from what players want.

If that isn't insulting enough, there are no in-game events (again) this year for Life Day, as many already know.  No presents, freebies, or earned rewards this year kids, buy your own gifts to give yourself!

 

Free-to-Play Preview Episode 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0hofmN4tpQ

 

Perhaps interesting in the video:

There is still no love for actual "free" players in this F2P game, but those who spend on the cashshop to become "preferred" customers will soon get 6 character slots instead of 2.  F2P games like Aion have no such character slot limitations, incidentally - everyone receives 8 slots - which is an example of F2P done correctly.

 

 

 

 

Well you and the rest can continue to try and derail the enviable. Swtor is doing good it will continue to good the servers everynight are packed at low and high level areas. When are posters like this going to move on. Here is a little tip just like ever other mmo that has a shop YOU DONT HAVE TO BUY ANYTHING! Whinning and crying fireworks cost $3 is sad here is the solution if you dont like it...DONT BUY IT, not come pout on some forum. Players are not jumping in for the cash shop they are jumping in becauae its a good game, great stories, good flashpoints and ops fun pvp and it keeps growing thats why they are coming.

People are jumping in atm because it is FREE, 1.5 million people (plus the doctors / founders of the game) would not have quit after several months making it go F2P, if it was a GOOD game (or rather MMO)

Putting in mounts, speeders, and other generic stuff in the cash shop is fine, but anniversary/life day items? No, that is not fine at all. It is like buying a christmas present for a relative and then they can only have it if they pay for it, it basically goes against the goodwill of christmas. I can understand giving items for free to subscribers, so if you want the items you have to subscribe, but making subscribers have to pay for these items too, is rotten.

In STO, you do not have to BUY (with real money) anything from their store, you can just play the game, and EARN the stuff from the store instead. To get 4 char slots in SWTOR it costs you $20 a nd is the ONLY way to get it. In STO I bought 4 char slots the other day, and it cost me NOTHING, I just played the game for a month instead.

 

Originally posted by superniceguy

In STO, you do not have to BUY (with real money) anything from their store, you can just play the game, and EARN the stuff from the store instead. To get 4 char slots in SWTOR it costs you $20 and is the ONLY way to get it. In STO I bought 4 char slots the other day, and it cost me NOTHING, I just played the game for a month instead.

 

Didn't read my list of things from the trade networks did we? I can go to the GTN and buy character slots, no money involved, just grinding credits and then buying it from auction. To get Dilithium you have to grind specific quests or events not every quest give dil. or if they do it is 5 or 10. so by your example of grinding for dil, how is that any different than grinding for credits and getting it from the auction?

Second point, in SWTOR it does not cost $20 to go from 2 characters to 6 characters. Since we are talkign about the f2p model, and starting at 2 characters you spend $5 and you pref status. BOOM you now have 6 characters. in many of the p2p games people sit there and talk about "is $15 to much a month?" well to be honest is a one time fee of $5 to much, well it is if you are heart set on hating something. then no matter the cost it is to much. After pref status, which unlocks tons of things, you can now more easily buy things from the GTN things which only cost in game credits. These credits are everyday credits not a special currency like dil.

I'm sorry my defense of completely luxy items on a cash shop offend anyone. I do not need a racing stripe on my car to drive it. I do not need to hide my helm to play a game. if you NEED these things i will forever call you vain and defend any companies ability to leech money from you. I admitted that a weekly pass is a kick in the nuts. WHY? because I am acknowledging that to some people all the meat and potatos of a game is the pvp and instancing. To me they are not, thus while I admit they are a kick in the nuts, you will NEVER find me paying for one.

Lastly if your guild/friends are to shallow to help you with gear, then they are not a real guild or friends. You can buy gear unlocks from the Trade Network. If they are not willing to play with you to help you get that stuff, not that great of a guild. If you are reliant on gear scores, then go away. I REALLY hate you elitist jerks. "You can't come in your not geared - But I need this instance to get geared - Then do it with someone else We LEET" MMO's are about community, and the game is not what forces a community it is the players itself.  You have a bad community it is not the games fault, it is the anti-social people on the other side of the screen. Been playing MUD's and MUSH's for years. Those games have absolutely no graphics and have had better communities and guilds.

I'm going to spend my time here for the same reason why all the "haters" spend there time here. I'm here to defend a CHOIOCE to play, all the while defending the company who IS making strides atmaking the game better. It doesn't matter if things should have been in at X tiome according to YOUR expectations. They never said "X" date for extra character slots so I expected it to happen when it happened, not any sooner.

Originally posted by Gaborik

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by Gaborik

Originally posted by Karteli

EA continually keeps stating how they are constantly listening to feedback ..... BUT ...

 

In EA's latest video trailer (F2P episode #3 posted today), the spokesperson reveals just how little they are concerned with feedback, from customers or the press, as EA continues to push cash-shop items: "[Lifeday items] are limited time offers, so now is the time to jump In." ... Some fireworks for $3, robes $9, vehicle with christmas lights $18, holotree $6 .. orbs .. bombs, stuff with animations, few bucks here, few bucks there ... everything .. money money money $ $ $, give us money, lol.

Are players really going to jump in and start playing SWTOR just to use the cash-shop?  EA seems so far removed from what players want.

If that isn't insulting enough, there are no in-game events (again) this year for Life Day, as many already know.  No presents, freebies, or earned rewards this year kids, buy your own gifts to give yourself!

 

Free-to-Play Preview Episode 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0hofmN4tpQ

 

Perhaps interesting in the video:

There is still no love for actual "free" players in this F2P game, but those who spend on the cashshop to become "preferred" customers will soon get 6 character slots instead of 2.  F2P games like Aion have no such character slot limitations, incidentally - everyone receives 8 slots - which is an example of F2P done correctly.

 

 

 

 

Well you and the rest can continue to try and derail the enviable. Swtor is doing good it will continue to good the servers everynight are packed at low and high level areas. When are posters like this going to move on. Here is a little tip just like ever other mmo that has a shop YOU DONT HAVE TO BUY ANYTHING! Whinning and crying fireworks cost $3 is sad here is the solution if you dont like it...DONT BUY IT, not come pout on some forum. Players are not jumping in for the cash shop they are jumping in becauae its a good game, great stories, good flashpoints and ops fun pvp and it keeps growing thats why they are coming.

People are jumping in atm because it is FREE, 1.5 million people (plus the doctors / founders of the game) would not have quit after several months making it go F2P, if it was a GOOD game (or rather MMO)

Putting in mounts, speeders, and other generic stuff in the cash shop is fine, but anniversary/life day items? No, that is not fine at all. It is like buying a christmas present for a relative and then they can only have it if they pay for it, it basically goes against the goodwill of christmas. I can understand giving items for free to subscribers, so if you want the items you have to subscribe, but making subscribers have to pay for these items too, is rotten.

In STO, you do not have to BUY (with real money) anything from their store, you can just play the game, and EARN the stuff from the store instead. To get 4 char slots in SWTOR it costs you $20 a nd is the ONLY way to get it. In STO I bought 4 char slots the other day, and it cost me NOTHING, I just played the game for a month instead.

 

 

Well 1st and most important you DONT PLAY SWTOR, you along with the rest copy and paste each others post. Whine and cry about $3 fireworks. You posters have been trying so hard to derail this game. Yes it lost a lot of players every mmo does (even some shut down like your little preshish) but going f2p has been great for SWTOR if you played the game you would know this. Instead of copy/pasting the same crap over and over try playing. You will see from starter planets to the fleet they all have multiple instances. If people just came back because its free it still wouldnt be packed 3 months after it went free. Its still packed because its a good mmo. And the same people who have been whining and crying for over a year now wont change that.....move on already!

STO has shut down .... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Oh wait, phew. you mean something else!

It has not been 3 months, it has not even been 2 months since F2P launch, but the servers are starting to show a slide in players again as they did last year. People who play for free may play a bit longer than those subbed due to the F2P restrictions.

EA really does feel like they have blinders on, or else strongly stress to their executives never to pay attention to F2P systems that work.

because, although of course every f2p game wants you to spend money, there are plenty that do this while at the same time remaining FAIR.

Turbine's system does allow you to earn points for the cash shop in game.  L2 / Aion put a lot of fluff and buffs in there to go through the game quicker but they dont gate any content or any character creation choices.

I think EA's problem is like the problem that casino managers solved for themselves decades ago.  you would think that casinos want their clients to lose all their money when thy visit.  that's actually not true.  they'd much rather have you lose a small amount of money, and come back again and again, than have you lose all your money once and never come back.  (i had this explained to me in more detail by a relative who works for the casino governing commission in new jersey but it gets long and winded).  the main point is that EA should be trying to get a LOT of people to spend a little money, not just a few diehards spending a ton.

thanks for reading my ramble.... now i want to go gamble!

Itch

Originally posted by mrrshann618

I'm going to spend my time here for the same reason why all the "haters" spend there time here. I'm here to defend a CHOIOCE to play, all the while defending the company who IS making strides atmaking the game better. It doesn't matter if things should have been in at X tiome according to YOUR expectations. They never said "X" date for extra character slots so I expected it to happen when it happened, not any sooner.

Thanks a lot stalwart hero, paladin, defender of good.

I sleep easier knowing you are defending EA's ability to fleece it's  (remaining) customers.

Battle on pikachu.

As everyone knows, this game is being unfairly persecuted, and needs voulanteers such as yourself to defend it's good name and business practices.

This is how all good games get going, right?

Originally posted by mrrshann618

Originally posted by superniceguy

In STO, you do not have to BUY (with real money) anything from their store, you can just play the game, and EARN the stuff from the store instead. To get 4 char slots in SWTOR it costs you $20 and is the ONLY way to get it. In STO I bought 4 char slots the other day, and it cost me NOTHING, I just played the game for a month instead.

 

Didn't read my list of things from the trade networks did we? I can go to the GTN and buy character slots, no money involved, just grinding credits and then buying it from auction. To get Dilithium you have to grind specific quests or events not every quest give dil. or if they do it is 5 or 10. so by your example of grinding for dil, how is that any different than grinding for credits and getting it from the auction?

 

 

 

Stuff that is on the GTN was purchased with real money still from other players. Instead of working / playing the game to get the credits, they buy stuff from the store, and get your credits, that you worked hard to get. In a way you are like a credit seller but instead of getting money for your efforts you get the equivalent value of the char slots $5 each or whatever you buy

Everybody in STO can just play the game to get the stuff, without spending any money unless want to, so you get more people playing whereas in SWTOR the person you buy the char slots from is more likely not playing and just waiting for the sale.

They do not have to do anything within X days, but as the delay in char slots prevented people from actually playing, it was pretty urgent. The Life Day items were not urgent.

Most stuff from the store is needed to make the game more playable / enjoyable. No other game cripples you, so you feel you need to spend money to get going. If they did not limit the UI, XP, quest rewards etc I bet more people would enjoy the game, and play it more. In LOTRO you have have to pay to unlock content, but if you enjoy the game that far, then spending money is more worth it.

At the end of the day they do not have to do anything, few people like you will still play it, but if it was not restrictive, MORE people would play, and its future would be more brighter. I guess you do not like the game enough to worry.

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by Gaborik

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by Gaborik

Originally posted by Karteli

EA continually keeps stating how they are constantly listening to feedback ..... BUT ...

 

In EA's latest video trailer (F2P episode #3 posted today), the spokesperson reveals just how little they are concerned with feedback, from customers or the press, as EA continues to push cash-shop items: "[Lifeday items] are limited time offers, so now is the time to jump In." ... Some fireworks for $3, robes $9, vehicle with christmas lights $18, holotree $6 .. orbs .. bombs, stuff with animations, few bucks here, few bucks there ... everything .. money money money $ $ $, give us money, lol.

Are players really going to jump in and start playing SWTOR just to use the cash-shop?  EA seems so far removed from what players want.

If that isn't insulting enough, there are no in-game events (again) this year for Life Day, as many already know.  No presents, freebies, or earned rewards this year kids, buy your own gifts to give yourself!

 

Free-to-Play Preview Episode 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0hofmN4tpQ

 

Perhaps interesting in the video:

There is still no love for actual "free" players in this F2P game, but those who spend on the cashshop to become "preferred" customers will soon get 6 character slots instead of 2.  F2P games like Aion have no such character slot limitations, incidentally - everyone receives 8 slots - which is an example of F2P done correctly.

 

 

 

 

Well you and the rest can continue to try and derail the enviable. Swtor is doing good it will continue to good the servers everynight are packed at low and high level areas. When are posters like this going to move on. Here is a little tip just like ever other mmo that has a shop YOU DONT HAVE TO BUY ANYTHING! Whinning and crying fireworks cost $3 is sad here is the solution if you dont like it...DONT BUY IT, not come pout on some forum. Players are not jumping in for the cash shop they are jumping in becauae its a good game, great stories, good flashpoints and ops fun pvp and it keeps growing thats why they are coming.

People are jumping in atm because it is FREE, 1.5 million people (plus the doctors / founders of the game) would not have quit after several months making it go F2P, if it was a GOOD game (or rather MMO)

Putting in mounts, speeders, and other generic stuff in the cash shop is fine, but anniversary/life day items? No, that is not fine at all. It is like buying a christmas present for a relative and then they can only have it if they pay for it, it basically goes against the goodwill of christmas. I can understand giving items for free to subscribers, so if you want the items you have to subscribe, but making subscribers have to pay for these items too, is rotten.

In STO, you do not have to BUY (with real money) anything from their store, you can just play the game, and EARN the stuff from the store instead. To get 4 char slots in SWTOR it costs you $20 a nd is the ONLY way to get it. In STO I bought 4 char slots the other day, and it cost me NOTHING, I just played the game for a month instead.

 

 

Well 1st and most important you DONT PLAY SWTOR, you along with the rest copy and paste each others post. Whine and cry about $3 fireworks. You posters have been trying so hard to derail this game. Yes it lost a lot of players every mmo does (even some shut down like your little preshish) but going f2p has been great for SWTOR if you played the game you would know this. Instead of copy/pasting the same crap over and over try playing. You will see from starter planets to the fleet they all have multiple instances. If people just came back because its free it still wouldnt be packed 3 months after it went free. Its still packed because its a good mmo. And the same people who have been whining and crying for over a year now wont change that.....move on already!

STO has shut down .... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Oh wait, phew. you mean something else!

It has not been 3 months, it has not even been 2 months since F2P launch, but the servers are starting to show a slide in players again as they did last year. People who play for free may play a bit longer than those subbed due to the F2P restrictions.

Originally posted by Gaborik Oh come on man being very heavy and full at peak times is sliding? Just because your other 5 (i can name them if you want) extreme haters of a game you guys dont play say its sliding is so far from reliable information its sad you continue to copy/paste it. So hang on because of the f2p restrictions people will play longer? Thats kind of opposite of your logic in past post isnt?

I wanted to comenmorate my 500th post with a copy/paste hater blurb, but I got my copy pate shortcuts all fucked up.

Damn.

ANyway, SWTOR, to infinity ward and beyond.

Originally posted by Gaborik

 

Oh come on man being very heavy and full at peak times is sliding? Just because your other 5 (i can name them if you want) extreme haters of a game you guys dont play say its sliding is so far from reliable information its sad you continue to copy/paste it. So hang on because of the f2p restrictions people will play longer? Thats kind of opposite of your logic in past post isnt?

It was already brought to attention that at peak times were now Very Heavy and Heavy, and not FULL as what they were at F2P launch, from this thread

We are not haters we just post FACTS, whereas defenders just post lies. No one said it would be dead after a month, and F2P has not been around for 2 months, let alone 3.

We are not haters, you just hate the facts, and so view us as haters.

Originally posted by tiefighter25

Originally posted by Gaborik Oh come on man being very heavy and full at peak times is sliding? Just because your other 5 (i can name them if you want) extreme haters of a game you guys dont play say its sliding is so far from reliable information its sad you continue to copy/paste it. So hang on because of the f2p restrictions people will play longer? Thats kind of opposite of your logic in past post isnt?

I wanted to comenmorate my 500th post with a copy/paste hater blurb, but I got my copy pate shortcuts all fucked up.

Damn.

ANyway, SWTOR, to infinity ward and beyond.

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by Gaborik

 

Oh come on man being very heavy and full at peak times is sliding? Just because your other 5 (i can name them if you want) extreme haters of a game you guys dont play say its sliding is so far from reliable information its sad you continue to copy/paste it. So hang on because of the f2p restrictions people will play longer? Thats kind of opposite of your logic in past post isnt?

It was already brought to attention that at peak times were now Very Heavy and Heavy, and not FULL as what they were at F2P launch, from this thread

We are not haters we just post FACTS, whereas defenders just post lies. No one said it would be dead after a month, and F2P has not been around for 2 months, let alone 3.

We are not haters, you just hate the facts, and so view us as haters.

Most people i've heard from think SWTOR f2p sucks because they can't play the game 100% without paying.

They want access to all content and think the shop should only have cosmetics and Boost items. 

These same people also hate the Lotro model where you have to pay to unlock content.

Very few MMOs are 100% free content. It's incredibly difficult to sustain a model in a mmo. You need to have stuff in the shop that people feel they need to buy. Sure SWTOR may be a tad extreme but if they wwent the other way EA would shut down the servers because no one would be supporting it.

MMOs are a different animal when it comes to F2p. its much harder to sustain that model in this genre than in FPS, MOBA, and RTS.

Originally posted by Z3R01

Most people i've heard from think SWTOR f2p sucks because they can't play the game 100% without paying.

They want access to all content and think the shop should only have cosmetics and Boost items. 

These same people also hate the Lotro model where you have to pay to unlock content.

 

Very few MMOs are 100% free content. It's incredibly difficult to sustain a model in a mmo. You need to have stuff in the shop that people feel they need to buy. Sure SWTOR may be a tad extreme but if they wwent the other way EA would shut down the servers because no one would be supporting it.

 

MMOs are a different animal when it comes to F2p. its much harder to sustain that model in this genre than in FPS, MOBA, and RTS.

 

Originally posted by superniceguy

We are not haters we just post FACTS, whereas defenders just post lies. No one said it would be dead after a month, and F2P has not been around for 2 months, let alone 3.

We are not haters, you just hate the facts, and so view us as haters.

Wait, where are my lies?

All I've stated is that the are giving what they stated they are going to give. None of those had hard dates associated with them. I have never quoted a specific time, I simply said that they are adding in. People with no ability to wait are jumping the gun and stating that it needed to be right away due to "industry standard" (on a non-standardized style)

I've shown data based on my own personal account(s) at the time of posting. That data may not be entirely valid an hour later due to the flux of things such as an Auction House, but at the time of posting they were complete facts on my server. In doing so I've come under attacks such as "I don't get it" and "I'm what is wrong with the industry".

superniceguy, look at the text below your avatar. You are proudly proclaiming that you are a SWTOR hater. We are only calling it like we see it. Everyone keeps going on with "what they should have done" Yeah, and Ncsoft Should have, Cryptic Should have, Turbine Should have, ect. Everyone has some sort of problem with a companies business model. I absolutely despise NcSoft for everything they have done to the MMO industry by their dirty tactics and "unfair" closings. I do not however go into the Aion forums and bash people who state "Hey I've tried this after a while and I love it". I do not feel the need to berrate people who like things other than the games I like. Someone who comes into a game/forum, proclaims they do not, nor will not, play a game and then bashes people who are trying to defend opinnions of "hey this isn't so bad" IS a hater.

I HATE cash shops, yet I still play games that have them. Why?  because it is your right to purchase from them if you wish. I do not go around forums calling people morons for buying things. I do not call every GW2 player idiots for supporting a horrible game that is obviously on the downslide. As for people putting things on the GTN after they have paid real money for it. THEIR CHOICE if that is how they want to spend their money, if I can benefit from it all the better, especiall if I do not have to spend real money. To complain about a system such as that is just being spiteful of peoples choices on how to play a game. People play "Second Life" where real money is used to buy in game money and items. is that a "HORRIBLE GAME" because they do not give a way to earn those credits ingame? NO the basic model of Second Life is to fleece everyone for intangible items. People can buy those intangible items for REAL money. How people spend their money is their business. Buying from a cash shop and selling it on a GTN/AH is no different than this "successful" MMO

Originally posted by mrrshann618

Originally posted by superniceguy

We are not haters we just post FACTS, whereas defenders just post lies. No one said it would be dead after a month, and F2P has not been around for 2 months, let alone 3.

We are not haters, you just hate the facts, and so view us as haters.

Wait, where are my lies?

All I've stated is that the are giving what they stated they are going to give. None of those had hard dates associated with them. I have never quoted a specific time, I simply said that they are adding in. People with no ability to wait are jumping the gun and stating that it needed to be right away due to "industry standard" (on a non-standardized style)

I've shown data based on my own personal account(s) at the time of posting. That data may not be entirely valid an hour later due to the flux of things such as an Auction House, but at the time of posting they were complete facts on my server. In doing so I've come under attacks such as "I don't get it" and "I'm what is wrong with the industry".

superniceguy, look at the text below your avatar. You are proudly proclaiming that you are a SWTOR hater. We are only calling it like we see it. Everyone keeps going on with "what they should have done" Yeah, and Ncsoft Should have, Cryptic Should have, Turbine Should have, ect. Everyone has some sort of problem with a companies business model. I absolutely despise NcSoft for everything they have done to the MMO industry by their dirty tactics and "unfair" closings. I do not however go into the Aion forums and bash people who state "Hey I've tried this after a while and I love it". I do not feel the need to berrate people who like things other than the games I like. Someone who comes into a game/forum, proclaims they do not, nor will not, play a game and then bashes people who are trying to defend opinnions of "hey this isn't so bad" IS a hater.

 

I HATE cash shops, yet I still play games that have them. Why?  because it is your right to purchase from them if you wish. I do not go around forums calling people morons for buying things. I do not call every GW2 player idiots for supporting a horrible game that is obviously on the downslide. As for people putting things on the GTN after they have paid real money for it. THEIR CHOICE if that is how they want to spend their money, if I can benefit from it all the better, especiall if I do not have to spend real money. To complain about a system such as that is just being spiteful of peoples choices on how to play a game. People play "Second Life" where real money is used to buy in game money and items. is that a "HORRIBLE GAME" because they do not give a way to earn those credits ingame? NO the basic model of Second Life is to fleece everyone for intangible items. People can buy those intangible items for REAL money. How people spend their money is their business. Buying from a cash shop and selling it on a GTN/AH is no different than this "successful" MMO

+1. I have not purchased a single thing from the cash shop. The only thing I've used those cartel points for is for legacy perks. Then again I'm a subscriber and not someone that's looking to have the entire game given away for free. 

It is interesting that as SWTOR's F2P model is becoming better, we see a lot higher number in players than before.

Originally posted by mrrshann618

 Someone who comes into a game/forum, proclaims they do not, nor will not, play a game and then bashes people who are trying to defend opinnions of "hey this isn't so bad" IS a hater.

 

That is not true, that is a lie.

I have said I will play SWTOR when they unlock more char slots and now they have I will, just finishing off EQ2 winter event before it goes bye bye tomorrow for another year.

I have also said that I would play it if they fixed the issues I keep stating, but it is not going to get fixed with people stating it is good when it is bad. This is a MMO where devs work on it to improve it. If this was a single player game where changes do not really happen, then you would have a point.

Originally posted by Gaborik

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by Gaborik

 

Oh come on man being very heavy and full at peak times is sliding? Just because your other 5 (i can name them if you want) extreme haters of a game you guys dont play say its sliding is so far from reliable information its sad you continue to copy/paste it. So hang on because of the f2p restrictions people will play longer? Thats kind of opposite of your logic in past post isnt?

It was already brought to attention that at peak times were now Very Heavy and Heavy, and not FULL as what they were at F2P launch, from this thread

We are not haters we just post FACTS, whereas defenders just post lies. No one said it would be dead after a month, and F2P has not been around for 2 months, let alone 3.

We are not haters, you just hate the facts, and so view us as haters.

 

Wrong Nov 1 months December 2nd month 10 days into January is 2 months. Last friday 3 servers were full btw!!

Jan 15th would be 2 months