Originally posted by Latronus

Originally posted by Wizlock23

Sorry but i have to report for NDA, as ur commenting on features in a game that is under NDA still.

 

Edit: specific to the OP posting info that could only be found by playing beta, thus related directly to an ingame feature that is under NDA -

 

 Thanks ,

 

Party pooper!   Just kidding, but to the topic, I want play a game that has chat bubbles.  I have no problem using a chat window.

The problem with the chat window is:

a) You shut it off.

b) You don't see someone was trying to talk to you until an hour later and now they are logged off

c) You don't know where the person is who is talking

Originally posted by Badaboom

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Badaboom

 

I dispute that many people in darkfall want chat bubbles. I know when I played the vast majority of people I played with would have laughed at such a suggestion. I also know that public chat was not very busy because most people were on vent, but maybe I am wrong.

 

never the less, I vote no for chat bubbles pending no personal detailed review on how it could be exploited to ones pvp advantage.

It could not be exploited because it would be optional. 

that is not how a pvp game works.

Take shadows for example.

Having shadows on is an optiion, if you have them on however you are very likely to lose every single pvp battle because the frame rate even on greeat computers was compromised as well as your visiablity

So..is it optional? not really

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Justin9820
OMG did you really just blame your lack of socializing on a lack of chat bubbles????

Yeah, so? Would not the lack of tongue or ears hinder socializing? Same thing with chat bubbles, its a means of communicating which is far better than a stupid chat box hidden in the corner.

ARE YOU SERIOUS? did you just compare chat bubbles to ears or tongue????

Without chat bubbles you can still communicate just fine...

Originally posted by Badaboom

Originally posted by Latronus

Originally posted by Wizlock23

Sorry but i have to report for NDA, as ur commenting on features in a game that is under NDA still.

 

Edit: specific to the OP posting info that could only be found by playing beta, thus related directly to an ingame feature that is under NDA -

 

 Thanks ,

 

Party pooper!   Just kidding, but to the topic, I want play a game that has chat bubbles.  I have no problem using a chat window.

The problem with the chat window is:

a) You shut it off.

b) You don't see someone was trying to talk to you until an hour later and now they are logged off

c) You don't know where the person is who is talking

Never been a problem for me sorry, and I've been playing MMOs since 1999.  Just sayin, it's personal pref and I hate chat bubbles.

Originally posted by Latronus

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Justin9820
OMG did you really just blame your lack of socializing on a lack of chat bubbles????

Yeah, so? Would not the lack of tongue or ears hinder socializing? Same thing with chat bubbles, its a means of communicating which is far better than a stupid chat box hidden in the corner.

I totally disagree.  Stupid chat bubbles popping up looks crude, amateurish, and low budget design to me.  We just have opposite likes it appears.

Chat bubbles show you, visually, who is saying what. That is objectively better than chat boxes which cannot show that beside the name of the person saying it.

Sure, it would be much better if the person saying it would just be able to say it and you would be able to distinguish who is saying what, but we are years from having that properly working.

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Latronus

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Justin9820
OMG did you really just blame your lack of socializing on a lack of chat bubbles????

Yeah, so? Would not the lack of tongue or ears hinder socializing? Same thing with chat bubbles, its a means of communicating which is far better than a stupid chat box hidden in the corner.

I totally disagree.  Stupid chat bubbles popping up looks crude, amateurish, and low budget design to me.  We just have opposite likes it appears.

Chat bubbles show you, visually, who is saying what. That is objectively better than chat boxes which cannot show that beside the name of the person saying it.

Sure, it would be much better if the person saying it would just be able to say it and you would be able to distinguish who is saying what, but we are years from having that properly working.

You can distinguish who said what... its called a name. Matching a character to a name is only important in trade, and it really isn't hard to tell who you are trading with, since if there are a lot of people around where you would need chat bubbles, there would be too many for you to be able to effectively locate them regardless. Also, you cannot move through people in this game, so people dont generally mass up in one place, for if there is too many people for trade, you wont be able to get to the bank anyways.

EDIT: also, most chat bubbles do not show your name, so in a large amount of people chat bubbles are incredibly ineffective, unless you know what the person looks like already, in which case why the hell would need chat bubbles...

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Badaboom

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Badaboom

 

I dispute that many people in darkfall want chat bubbles. I know when I played the vast majority of people I played with would have laughed at such a suggestion. I also know that public chat was not very busy because most people were on vent, but maybe I am wrong.

 

never the less, I vote no for chat bubbles pending no personal detailed review on how it could be exploited to ones pvp advantage.

It could not be exploited because it would be optional. 

that is not how a pvp game works.

Take shadows for example.

Having shadows on is an optiion, if you have them on however you are very likely to lose every single pvp battle because the frame rate even on greeat computers was compromised as well as your visiablity

So..is it optional? not really

Let me explain the option that would work.  You go into your settings and select option to turn on chat bubbles.  Now your chat is in a bubble and people can see you talk and you can see other people talk.  If you don't want to see chat bubbles you uncheck the option and viola, you don't see any chat.

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Latronus

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Justin9820
OMG did you really just blame your lack of socializing on a lack of chat bubbles????

Yeah, so? Would not the lack of tongue or ears hinder socializing? Same thing with chat bubbles, its a means of communicating which is far better than a stupid chat box hidden in the corner.

I totally disagree.  Stupid chat bubbles popping up looks crude, amateurish, and low budget design to me.  We just have opposite likes it appears.

Chat bubbles show you, visually, who is saying what. That is objectively better than chat boxes which cannot show that beside the name of the person saying it.

Sure, it would be much better if the person saying it would just be able to say it and you would be able to distinguish who is saying what, but we are years from having that properly working.

I understand why those of you that like them actually do like them, I just hate them.  Clogs up my screen and I can't stand that.  Give me a chat window any day.  Everything is right there and my screen stays clear.  Again, it's personal pref and we just like different things, no biggie.  

Originally posted by Latronus

Originally posted by Badaboom

Originally posted by Latronus

Originally posted by Wizlock23

Sorry but i have to report for NDA, as ur commenting on features in a game that is under NDA still.

 

Edit: specific to the OP posting info that could only be found by playing beta, thus related directly to an ingame feature that is under NDA -

 

 Thanks ,

 

Party pooper!   Just kidding, but to the topic, I want play a game that has chat bubbles.  I have no problem using a chat window.

The problem with the chat window is:

a) You shut it off.

b) You don't see someone was trying to talk to you until an hour later and now they are logged off

c) You don't know where the person is who is talking

Never been a problem for me sorry, and I've been playing MMOs since 1999.  Just sayin, it's personal pref and I hate chat bubbles.

Then you could have it off and it would not affect you.  So there is no reason not to have it.

Originally posted by Latronus

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Latronus

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Justin9820
OMG did you really just blame your lack of socializing on a lack of chat bubbles????

Yeah, so? Would not the lack of tongue or ears hinder socializing? Same thing with chat bubbles, its a means of communicating which is far better than a stupid chat box hidden in the corner.

I totally disagree.  Stupid chat bubbles popping up looks crude, amateurish, and low budget design to me.  We just have opposite likes it appears.

Chat bubbles show you, visually, who is saying what. That is objectively better than chat boxes which cannot show that beside the name of the person saying it.

Sure, it would be much better if the person saying it would just be able to say it and you would be able to distinguish who is saying what, but we are years from having that properly working.

I understand why those of you that like them actually do like them, I just hate them.  Clogs up my screen and I can't stand that.  Give me a chat window any day.  Everything is right there and my screen stays clear.  Again, it's personal pref and we just like different things, no biggie.  

actually that brings up a point. If I am trading (for an example) until the final trade is decided does it really matter where the person is on my screen? once the price is decided its simply 'where are you?' 'I am the guy jumping up and down'

dones

Originally posted by Badaboom

Then you could have it off and it would not affect you.  So there is no reason not to have it.

There is a reason, and ive stated it. If it is long range enough to work, then it will not be fair as it will give away players position the second they talk. If you had them offf, you would lose out on this advantage.

Originally posted by Badaboom

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Badaboom

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Badaboom

 

I dispute that many people in darkfall want chat bubbles. I know when I played the vast majority of people I played with would have laughed at such a suggestion. I also know that public chat was not very busy because most people were on vent, but maybe I am wrong.

 

never the less, I vote no for chat bubbles pending no personal detailed review on how it could be exploited to ones pvp advantage.

It could not be exploited because it would be optional. 

that is not how a pvp game works.

Take shadows for example.

Having shadows on is an optiion, if you have them on however you are very likely to lose every single pvp battle because the frame rate even on greeat computers was compromised as well as your visiablity

So..is it optional? not really

Let me explain the option that would work.  You go into your settings and select option to turn on chat bubbles.  Now your chat is in a bubble and people can see you talk and you can see other people talk.  If you don't want to see chat bubbles you uncheck the option and viola, you don't see any chat.

no I understand it would be an option I am saying that just because something is an option doesnt mean by default it really is an option when talking about pvp games.

I am not suggesting there is a hole in chat bubbles I am just saying if there is any advantage in a pvp game at all even in the smallest about then it quickly becomes not a realistic option just like my shadows example.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Badaboom

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Badaboom

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Badaboom

Originally posted by Kabaal
As long as they are off by default and don't indicate a persons location then i also dont see a problem, but i also dont see why theyre such a big deal.

This is why: (Pretty neat eh?!)

 

 

I think at its core this is a good visual of exactly what AV wanted to change about an MMO. Not just the fact of all the chat but the fact that everyone is sitting down not doing anything in game other than chatting

Invalid argument.  Some people are sitting around doing nothing.  Other people are trading, finding groups. 

and talking is also 'doing something'

venture to suggest you knew what I am really saying?

Your English is not the best so no, I don't always understand what you're trying to say.

Name one valid arguement for not putting in toggleable chat bubbles.  If you don't want them, uncheck them and BOOM, normal Darkfall.

Why put in a feature that the vast majortiy of your players are not intrested in? I am not sure how long you were in the darkfall community but I was in for a long time and from the start, the vast majority of players wouldnt be all that intrested in chat bubbles and a good amount of them might have even decided not to play because of them so why bother with the dev time?

 

AV wanted people to be in battles, combat, running around and exploring. Not sitting around chatting. Is it common that people sit around in chat to gather groups and trade? sure. Is it an expression of VAST inexperience to think that there isnt also a lot of simple social chit chat going on as well? yes

 

You keep using that word... I do not think it means what you think it means.

But on to your claim "AV wanted people to be in battles, combat, running around and exploring. Not sitting around chatting."

So what you are saying is, the reason chat bubbles are not an option (and should not be an option in the devs opinions) is because the developer of a SANDBOX game only wants people playing the SANDBOX game the way they think it should be played instead of just giving the players all the sand they need to build whatever gaming experience they want?

I think what your describing is a THEMEPARK game.

But anyways... Maybe DF isn't really a sandbox game anyways...

Originally posted by Badaboom

Originally posted by Latronus

Originally posted by Badaboom

Originally posted by Latronus

Originally posted by Wizlock23

Sorry but i have to report for NDA, as ur commenting on features in a game that is under NDA still.

 

Edit: specific to the OP posting info that could only be found by playing beta, thus related directly to an ingame feature that is under NDA -

 

 Thanks ,

 

Party pooper!   Just kidding, but to the topic, I want play a game that has chat bubbles.  I have no problem using a chat window.

The problem with the chat window is:

a) You shut it off.

b) You don't see someone was trying to talk to you until an hour later and now they are logged off

c) You don't know where the person is who is talking

Never been a problem for me sorry, and I've been playing MMOs since 1999.  Just sayin, it's personal pref and I hate chat bubbles.

Then you could have it off and it would not affect you.  So there is no reason not to have it.

If it were optional, I'd have no issue with that.  Now I'm not a programmer but I wonder how hard it would be to make it an option because as far as I know, most of the games I've played didn't make it selectable.  Makes me think it is either a pain or the devs didn't allocate time to include it due to time/money issues or ignorance to the desire of the player base.  Just saying.

Originally posted by Quicksand

You keep using that word... I do not think it means what you think it means.

 

But on to your claim "AV wanted people to be in battles, combat, running around and exploring. Not sitting around chatting."

 

So what you are saying is, the reason chat bubbles are not an option (and should not be an option in the devs opinions) is because the developer of a SANDBOX game only wants people playing the SANDBOX game the way they think it should be played instead of just giving the players all the sand they need to build whatever gaming experience they want?

 

I think what your describing is a THEMEPARK game.

 

But anyways... Maybe DF isn't really a sandbox game anyways...

your trying to have a different conversation that I am not having. I do not have sandbox vs themepark conversations because they are class A stupid.

Originally posted by Latronus

If it were optional, I'd have no issue with that.  Now I'm not a programmer but I wonder how hard it would be to make it an option because as far as I know, most of the games I've played didn't make it selectable.  Makes me think it is either a pain or the devs didn't allocate time to include it due to time/money issues or ignorance to the desire of the player base.  Just saying.

I am a programmer but not in the gaming industry, my gut tells me it wouldnt be hard to create and it wouldnt be hard to have as an option. However, what I havent give much consideration to is would there be a pvp advantage for one over the other and my gut (without having a specific example) is that there would be.

That said, the Darkfall community is likely changing a lot and in some respects from a business side I totally think is the right move. The community I came from was extreemly toxic even though much of the gaming principles I agreed with so we are seeing a change in the game and most likely the community as well.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Latronus

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Latronus

Originally posted by Yamota

 

 

actually that brings up a point. If I am trading (for an example) until the final trade is decided does it really matter where the person is on my screen? once the price is decided its simply 'where are you?' 'I am the guy jumping up and down'

 

dones

How about this: 

1) You stop off in a city and go to your bank.  You are short on supplies and want to buy something.  You spam chat, WTB iron ore.  Someone PM's you.  Where are you?  I'm at X.  He reply's, crap I'm at Y.  That is to far sorry.

or

2) You stop off in a city and go to your bank. You are short on supplies and want to buy something. You spam chat, WTB iron ore. Someone standing near you sees your chat bubble and requests a trade with you.  

Originally posted by Badaboom

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Latronus

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Latronus

Originally posted by Yamota

 

 

actually that brings up a point. If I am trading (for an example) until the final trade is decided does it really matter where the person is on my screen? once the price is decided its simply 'where are you?' 'I am the guy jumping up and down'

 

dones

How about this: 

1) You stop off in a city and go to your bank.  You are short on supplies and want to buy something.  You spam chat, WTB iron ore.  Someone PM's you.  Where are you?  I'm at X.  He reply's, crap I'm at Y.  That is to far sorry.

or

2) You stop off in a city and go to your bank. You are short on supplies and want to buy something. You spam chat, WTB iron ore. Someone standing near you sees your chat bubble and requests a trade with you.  

serious question not designed to be a smart ass

have you played darkfall?

your question makes me feel that you havent.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Badaboom

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Latronus

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Latronus

Originally posted by Yamota

 

 

actually that brings up a point. If I am trading (for an example) until the final trade is decided does it really matter where the person is on my screen? once the price is decided its simply 'where are you?' 'I am the guy jumping up and down'

 

dones

How about this: 

1) You stop off in a city and go to your bank.  You are short on supplies and want to buy something.  You spam chat, WTB iron ore.  Someone PM's you.  Where are you?  I'm at X.  He reply's, crap I'm at Y.  That is to far sorry.

or

2) You stop off in a city and go to your bank. You are short on supplies and want to buy something. You spam chat, WTB iron ore. Someone standing near you sees your chat bubble and requests a trade with you.  

serious question not designed to be a smart ass

have you played darkfall?

 

your question makes me feel that you havent.

I have been playing since original beta, probably longer than you.  What is it about my example that confuses you?

Originally posted by Badaboom

I have been playing since original beta, probably longer than you.

then you know how trades work right? you know you can see peoples names over their heads (feature I personally dont like).

I want to trade, meet me at the bank.

done. not sure that chat bubbles would really be an orgy saving time factor other than maybe a few times a year