Originally posted by Justin9820

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Elandir90

Does Darkfall has voice chat support ?!  I don't think so.

Your point is true in a guild perspective. But for the hole game, its not great.

 

About DF being pvp and chat bubbles. No problem at all, no need to talk in "/say" during a  raid or siege. If you do and the chat bubble pops for the enemy, your fault. 

IMO the lack of chat bubbles is not good for any mmo.  It could be turned on and off like on the other games.

it doesnt but to be frank if you are a player and dont have the knowedge to get your voice set up on your PC you have no business playing an MMO anyway. Although MMOs dont direclty supply you with voice they also dont supply you with a keyboard. 3rd party voice systems in the MMO world is about as common as late night playtime.

I would say the main problem with ingame voice is probably quaility.  It would be pretty ridiculous to think a gaming company can make a voice client at even close to the same standards as a company like ventrilo or mumble.

and I dont think there really is any need to. I know if I ran a dev firm that would be very low on my list of things to worry about. I am not going to hire an entire sperate dev team to re-invent something someone can download and install themselves with help from the community in about 5 mins.

Originally posted by Elandir90

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Elandir90

Does Darkfall has voice chat support ?!  I don't think so.

Your point is true in a guild perspective. But for the hole game, its not great.

 

About DF being pvp and chat bubbles. No problem at all, no need to talk in "/say" during a  raid or siege. If you do and the chat bubble pops for the enemy, your fault. 

IMO the lack of chat bubbles is not good for any mmo.  It could be turned on and off like on the other games.

it doesnt but to be frank if you are a player and dont have the knowedge to get your voice set up on your PC you have no business playing an MMO anyway. Although MMOs dont direclty supply you with voice they also dont supply you with a keyboard. 3rd party voice systems in the MMO world is about as common as late night playtime.

Oh really ?   

Smart guy, thanks for the tip. I'll search about it right now !! if only there was a place to search about stuff on the internet, do you know any ?

How on earth would i voice chat with TheRandomKingofFools with a 3rd party voice system, smarty... care to enlighten me ?

Some have set up regional trade voice chat channels open to all.

having said that, the vast majority of players (at least in darkfall) arent running around making new friends every hour. Usually if they need to talk to someone outside of their alliance or extended friend list they just send a personal message and its fine. But like I say, that is rare and even more rare when in battle together becuase chat bubble or not chatting while in battle for darkfall is not going to work.

many alliances will set up an open voice chat channel for things such as trade with strangers. If player doesnt have vent, well ...da*nit ok we will text change

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Elandir90

Originally posted by Vesavius

I am a huge fame of community building and social play, but I just have never got the need for chat bubbles....

I don't understand this particular drama :/

No drama here.

Chat bubbles is a simple feature, one that you can use or not. Stating that you are a socializer and dont like chat bubbles does not make it worthless.

When having more options became a bad thing ?  specially when it is an optional thing. 

well there are two main reasons why they are not use in darkfall.

1. the team and most of the core player based are philosophically against them. By that mean what Darkfall target to be different than other MMO's was various things such as chat bubbles because they and their core  players feel like its better to have the game experience more 'real life like' (yeah I know there is magic but we all know what that means when we say 'real life like). So with that said, investing in a feature that really diverts away from their core intrest and community doesnt make a lot of sense.

2. any feature whatsoever in the game that can in any way whatsoever give one player advantage over another the entire community will start to do and then complain that they 'have to'. I am not sure if chat bubbles is part of that equation but its something they have to consider every time they put in a new feature.

That's about the lamest excuse for dev laziness I've ever seen. Philosophically against chat bubbles? lol. AV just cba to put them in, that's the whole story. And please don't pull the "realism" card, it's absurd to even try to claim DF simulates real life in any way whatsoever. Or can you bunny hop faster than a horse irl? Fall off cliffs and never get hurt? Shoot arrows under water? 

Optional chat bubbles would mean you can easily communicate with people in your surroundings, ask questions or just chat away in town. Why anyone would be against that stuff in an MMO is beyond me.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Elandir90

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Elandir90

Does Darkfall has voice chat support ?!  I don't think so.

Your point is true in a guild perspective. But for the hole game, its not great.

 

About DF being pvp and chat bubbles. No problem at all, no need to talk in "/say" during a  raid or siege. If you do and the chat bubble pops for the enemy, your fault. 

IMO the lack of chat bubbles is not good for any mmo.  It could be turned on and off like on the other games.

it doesnt but to be frank if you are a player and dont have the knowedge to get your voice set up on your PC you have no business playing an MMO anyway. Although MMOs dont direclty supply you with voice they also dont supply you with a keyboard. 3rd party voice systems in the MMO world is about as common as late night playtime.

Oh really ?   

Smart guy, thanks for the tip. I'll search about it right now !! if only there was a place to search about stuff on the internet, do you know any ?

How on earth would i voice chat with TheRandomKingofFools with a 3rd party voice system, smarty... care to enlighten me ?

Some have set up regional trade voice chat channels open to all.

having said that, the vast majority of players (at least in darkfall) arent running around making new friends every hour. Usually if they need to talk to someone outside of their alliance or extended friend list they just send a personal message and its fine. But like I say, that is rare and even more rare when in battle together becuase chat bubble or not chatting while in battle for darkfall is not going to work.

 

many alliances will set up an open voice chat channel for things such as trade with strangers. If player doesnt have vent, well ...da*nit ok we will text change

Thats your opinion.

For me chat  bubbles would improove greatly the experience. Its impossible to know when someone is talking AT your out in the world, the chat box scrolls down pretty quick in the city. No way you would see it unless it is a personal message with a sound alarm.

I do like to go around talking and interacting with people. If you don't, turn the chat bubbles off.

I ask for an OPTION.  Is that so hard to understand ? would it harm your gameplay if you KNEW but not SEEN that people were using chat bubbles ? 

Originally posted by Elandir90

Thats your opinion.

For me chat  bubbles would inproove greatly the experience. Its impossible to know when someone is talking AT your out in the world, the chat box scrolls down pretty quick in the city. No way you would see it unless it is a personal message.

I do like to go around talking and interacting with people. If you don't, turn the chat bubbles off.

I ask for an OPTION.  Is that so hard to understand ? would it harm your gameplay if you KNEW but not SEEN that people were using chat bubbles ? 

It's not hard to understand you want an option. Darkfall is simply a game where chat bubbles would give away positioning, and in a game where you can kill people almost anywhere, this could be a problem. Its not a problem for the person with chat bubbles, but the person without them just lost out on knowing where that person is, while at the same time that person knows where the person without is.

Originally posted by Elandir90

For me chat  bubbles would inproove greatly the experience. Its impossible to know when someone is talking AT your out in the world, the chat box scrolls down pretty quick in the city. No way you would see it unless it is a personal message.

I do like to go around talking and interacting with people. If you don't, turn the chat bubbles off.

I ask for an OPTION.  Is that so hard to understand ? would it harm your gameplay if you KNEW but not SEEN that people were using chat bubbles ? 

Yes it is my opinion but you should understand at least on this subject I represent the very large majority of Darkfall players as well as the company itself. Most of the Darkfall players and I think AV itself really dosent want the game turned into a massive chat engine with people just running around socializing all the time, its a different kind of game in that respect.

Originally posted by Elandir90

It sounds silly, but for me chat bubbles is one of the most important features regarding players interaction. 

Without it i feel muted. It hinders player interaction and takes away the cities life. When you are out in the world its even worse, people don't usually mind the chat box at all. It evens make  swearing or boasting pointless after you kill an enemy. DF1 didn't have it, DF UW should have !!!! 

Played DF1 for some good months and rarelly talked to anyone besides guildmates or alliance members. But even inside those  "friendly grounds" communications was difficult. 

Chat bubbles is a simple feature, i hope they implement it this time. 

Chatbubbles? =)

Teamspeak is what skilled guilds use. 

Originally posted by mistmaker
there should be an ingame voice program in every game OR chat bubbles. i would prefer ingame voice, must be funny to hear the people :-)

I dont agree.

I mean unless some 3rd party vendor such as vent creates a simple plug and play that can easily be put into the game I dont see any reason why every game developer out there should re-create what can be downloaded in about 5 mins. A good voice engine would take a LOT of resources to build

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Elandir90

For me chat  bubbles would inproove greatly the experience. Its impossible to know when someone is talking AT your out in the world, the chat box scrolls down pretty quick in the city. No way you would see it unless it is a personal message.

I do like to go around talking and interacting with people. If you don't, turn the chat bubbles off.

I ask for an OPTION.  Is that so hard to understand ? would it harm your gameplay if you KNEW but not SEEN that people were using chat bubbles ? 

Yes it is my opinion but you should understand at least on this subject I represent the very large majority of Darkfall players as well as the company itself. Most of the Darkfall players and I think AV itself really dosent want the game turned into a massive chat engine with people just running around socializing all the time, its a different kind of game in that respect.

 

That actually brings up a decent point. Many games end up being chat rooms with dungeon queues and raiding. Darkfall is an open world designed for pvp.

Originally posted by Elandir90

Does Darkfall has voice chat support ?!  I don't think so.

Your point is true in a guild perspective. But for the hole game, its not great.

 

About DF being pvp and chat bubbles. No problem at all, no need to talk in "/say" during a  raid or siege. If you do and the chat bubble pops for the enemy, your fault. 

IMO the lack of chat bubbles is not good for any mmo.  It could be turned on and off like on the other games.

I don't know if DF supports voice chat, but regardless if the game supports it or not there are plenty of programs for voice chat.

Chat bubbles, only if they are optional as you also state, so for those who want it its visible, for those who don't want to see it just uncheck the feature.

I do not feel that the missing of chat bubbles is not good for a MMORPG, I feel there are allot more meaningfull feature's that are missing from today's combat online games. But that's food for another topic.

Actually the only MMORPG I have seen chat bubbles in was SWG, perhaps other MMO's I have played might have had them but then as a turn on feature and not automaticly turned on when entering the game. Kinda makes me wonder how many MMORPG actually have chat bubble's?

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Elandir90

For me chat  bubbles would inproove greatly the experience. Its impossible to know when someone is talking AT your out in the world, the chat box scrolls down pretty quick in the city. No way you would see it unless it is a personal message.

I do like to go around talking and interacting with people. If you don't, turn the chat bubbles off.

I ask for an OPTION.  Is that so hard to understand ? would it harm your gameplay if you KNEW but not SEEN that people were using chat bubbles ? 

Yes it is my opinion but you should understand at least on this subject I represent the very large majority of Darkfall players as well as the company itself. Most of the Darkfall players and I think AV itself really dosent want the game turned into a massive chat engine with people just running around socializing all the time, its a different kind of game in that respect.

 

LOL

You are the voice of the people and the mind of the makers. Sorry, i leave my humble desire and pledge, if you said it ! So be it !!! 

Gotta love your type of  "darkfall player"  ! such nice and thoutghful fellas. 

No point going on with this.

There is no reason not to have chat bubbles if they were toggleable.  I turn off all the chat and am in vent.  They only way I will know people are trying to talk to me is with a PM.  There should be chat bubbles so I know who is talking.

Originally posted by Elandir90

Originally posted by Vesavius

I am a huge fame of community building and social play, but I just have never got the need for chat bubbles....

I don't understand this particular drama :/

No drama here.

Chat bubbles is a simple feature, one that you can use or not. Stating that you are a socializer and dont like chat bubbles does not make it worthless.

When having more options became a bad thing ?  specially when it is an optional thing. 

1. I didn't say it was worthless.

2. I didnt say it was a bad thing.

I simply said I do not understand the need for them.

Options are always good, sure, but I have heard this same conversation over many games and just don't get the campaigning for them on any level.

But, hey... sure... whatever gets you through the day.

Originally posted by Elandir90

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Elandir90

For me chat  bubbles would inproove greatly the experience. Its impossible to know when someone is talking AT your out in the world, the chat box scrolls down pretty quick in the city. No way you would see it unless it is a personal message.

I do like to go around talking and interacting with people. If you don't, turn the chat bubbles off.

I ask for an OPTION.  Is that so hard to understand ? would it harm your gameplay if you KNEW but not SEEN that people were using chat bubbles ? 

Yes it is my opinion but you should understand at least on this subject I represent the very large majority of Darkfall players as well as the company itself. Most of the Darkfall players and I think AV itself really dosent want the game turned into a massive chat engine with people just running around socializing all the time, its a different kind of game in that respect.

 

LOL

You are the voice of the people and the mind of the makers. Sorry, i leave my humble desire and pledge, if you said it ! So be it !!! 

Gotta love your type of  "darkfall player"  ! such nice and thoutghful fellas. 

 

No point going on with this.

actually, on this subject yes I am.

If you knew the community you would know that the vast majority of them wouldnt like the use of chat bubble and I believe the developers themselves has even stated that they dont like them.

Regardless of if the developers like them or not it doesnt make a lot of sense to spend to much money on a feature the vast majority of your players arent intrested in.

Originally posted by Kabaal
As long as they are off by default and don't indicate a persons location then i also dont see a problem, but i also dont see why theyre such a big deal.

This is why: (Pretty neat eh?!)

Originally posted by Badaboom

Originally posted by Kabaal
As long as they are off by default and don't indicate a persons location then i also dont see a problem, but i also dont see why theyre such a big deal.

This is why: (Pretty neat eh?!)

 

I think at its core this is a good visual of exactly what AV wanted to change about an MMO. Not just the fact of all the chat but the fact that everyone is sitting down not doing anything in game other than chatting

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Badaboom

Originally posted by Kabaal
As long as they are off by default and don't indicate a persons location then i also dont see a problem, but i also dont see why theyre such a big deal.

This is why: (Pretty neat eh?!)

 

 

I think at its core this is a good visual of exactly what AV wanted to change about an MMO. Not just the fact of all the chat but the fact that everyone is sitting down not doing anything in game other than chatting

Invalid argument.  Some people are sitting around doing nothing.  Other people are trading, finding groups. 

Originally posted by Badaboom

Originally posted by Kabaal
As long as they are off by default and don't indicate a persons location then i also dont see a problem, but i also dont see why theyre such a big deal.

This is why: (Pretty neat eh?!)

 /snip pic

Not really, i liked them in games like City of Heroes where they suited the type but didn't like them in SWG, Aion etc where they can either look silly or get quite intrusive. I'm not against them but its a topic that's came up time and time again with MMO's that i just dont understand why people can get so passionate about them.

As i said i'm not against them, if it doesn't affect PvP and it's off by default then i dont mind.