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General Discussion  » Will the cinematics ever be topped in another MMO?

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  Zyzra

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12/19/12 10:25:46 PM#21
Let's hope no other MMO does cutscenes like SWTOR
  baphamet

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12/20/12 3:14:59 PM#22

i would say no. its just too much for an mmo i think, that would be costly to keep pumping out story content and that's the only way you could pull it off successfully.

plus it makes mmo's too linear unless someone made a good story mode that was extremely diverse with a lot of different choices and outcomes, more than what SWTOR has.

which would be even more costly i think.

  FromHell

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12/21/12 4:08:45 PM#23
Originally posted by birdycephon

I agree, SWTOR cutscenes are very good.

Are you kidding? 99% dialogue scenes with static camera is what you call "very good cutscenes" ? It´s always the same gestures of two characters standing and talking.

 

this is what I call an example for "very good cutscenes" in an MMO

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FljWR8f1470

 

Secrets of Dragon´s Spine Trailer.. ! :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwT9cFVQCMw

Best MMOs ever played: Ultima, EvE, SW Galaxies, Age of Conan, The Secret World
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2X_SbZCHpc&t=21s
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  Zalmon

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12/21/12 4:11:58 PM#24
Originally posted by FromHell
Originally posted by birdycephon

I agree, SWTOR cutscenes are very good.

Are you kidding? 99% dialogue scenes with static camera is what you call "very good cutscenes" ? It´s always the same gestures of two characters standing and talking.

 

this is what I call an example for "very good cutscenes" in an MMO

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FljWR8f1470

 

I am also a huge TSW fan but that doesn't mean i like it when people pull stuff out their ..(you know where) to make a point.

99%? you say? its only been 2 or 3 months since i stopped playing SWTOR but my memory is quite good. I think you are confusing GW2's static cut scenes with SWTOR.

  FromHell

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12/21/12 4:21:06 PM#25
Originally posted by Zalmon
Originally posted by FromHell
Originally posted by birdycephon

I agree, SWTOR cutscenes are very good.

Are you kidding? 99% dialogue scenes with static camera is what you call "very good cutscenes" ? It´s always the same gestures of two characters standing and talking.

 

this is what I call an example for "very good cutscenes" in an MMO

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FljWR8f1470

 

I am also a huge TSW fan but that doesn't mean i like it when people pull stuff out their ..(you know where) to make a point.

99%? you say? its only been 2 or 3 months since i stopped playing SWTOR but my memory is quite good. I think you are confusing GW2's static cut scenes with SWTOR.

please show me one link to a good SWTOR cutscene on youtube without boring static camera, maybe I missed them while I leveled two classes to 50 before I gave up

Secrets of Dragon´s Spine Trailer.. ! :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwT9cFVQCMw

Best MMOs ever played: Ultima, EvE, SW Galaxies, Age of Conan, The Secret World
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2X_SbZCHpc&t=21s
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The Return of ELITE !

  Sevenstar61

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Posts: 1694

"But it was so artistically done..." - Grand Admiral Thrawn's final words

12/21/12 4:23:45 PM#26
Originally posted by Zalmon
Originally posted by FromHell
Originally posted by birdycephon

I agree, SWTOR cutscenes are very good.

Are you kidding? 99% dialogue scenes with static camera is what you call "very good cutscenes" ? It´s always the same gestures of two characters standing and talking.

 

this is what I call an example for "very good cutscenes" in an MMO

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FljWR8f1470

 

I am also a huge TSW fan but that doesn't mean i like it when people pull stuff out their ..(you know where) to make a point.

99%? you say? its only been 2 or 3 months since i stopped playing SWTOR but my memory is quite good. I think you are confusing GW2's static cut scenes with SWTOR.

As in life there are some "static" conversations (obviously you do not do much if you are talking business) - mostly side quests, class quest and world quests are having plenty of cutscenes that are very dynamic, including running from or toward dangers, almost dying in exposions, doing some extra crazy stuff... life frying opponents, performing acrobatics with lightsabers (mostly to impress my companion), sneaking to do some definitely nut stuff and the list goes on.... 

Got to see the whole picture not just one side of it...

 

Examples:

HK-51 quests series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbiWy8BrBIY

Sith warrior: sime fun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjA8itUZoFc

 


Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  Zalmon

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Posts: 338

12/21/12 5:00:07 PM#27
Originally posted by FromHell
Originally posted by Zalmon
Originally posted by FromHell
Originally posted by birdycephon

I agree, SWTOR cutscenes are very good.

Are you kidding? 99% dialogue scenes with static camera is what you call "very good cutscenes" ? It´s always the same gestures of two characters standing and talking.

 

this is what I call an example for "very good cutscenes" in an MMO

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FljWR8f1470

 

I am also a huge TSW fan but that doesn't mean i like it when people pull stuff out their ..(you know where) to make a point.

99%? you say? its only been 2 or 3 months since i stopped playing SWTOR but my memory is quite good. I think you are confusing GW2's static cut scenes with SWTOR.

please show me one link to a good SWTOR cutscene on youtube without boring static camera, maybe I missed them while I leveled two classes to 50 before I gave up

I would love to but i don't think that will stop your exaggeration. You are clearly very biased when it comes to any other MMO which is not TSW.

TSW too have a lot of static coversations. I can also pull statistics out of my behind to make a point but i rather not.

  Cryptor

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Posts: 484

12/21/12 5:02:23 PM#28
imho Secret World cut-scenes and wirting is far above and beyond what SWtOR has.
  Sevenstar61

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Joined: 7/22/12
Posts: 1694

"But it was so artistically done..." - Grand Admiral Thrawn's final words

12/21/12 5:08:20 PM#29
Originally posted by FromHell
Originally posted by birdycephon

I agree, SWTOR cutscenes are very good.

Are you kidding? 99% dialogue scenes with static camera is what you call "very good cutscenes" ? It´s always the same gestures of two characters standing and talking.

 

this is what I call an example for "very good cutscenes" in an MMO

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FljWR8f1470

 

Watched the video, and aside on nice poetry, it's the most static cutscene I've ever seen. It's a stactic monologue with nothing going on. Well, maybe  except the light moving around.

Was is meant as sarcasm?

 


Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  Karteli

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Joined: 7/09/12
Posts: 2704

12/21/12 5:40:49 PM#30

Take Half Life 2 cutscenes where you were never removed from the game UI (never forcably lose control of your character), say during flashpoints, operations, Warzones, and special quest instances, .. then add a dialog wheel, and this would be the ultimate Star Wars..

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM9QoP3ghlo

 

Just take away the part about HL2 being a FPS .. add a 3rd person perspective ... imagine if all those interactive scenes were in flashpoints /drool.

 

NPC's turn to look at the players when speaking to them, no matter where they are standing, very cinematic, very well done ..

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  Yamota

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Posts: 6720

Gaming should be about fun, not gender equality.

12/21/12 5:41:41 PM#31
Who cares? If I want cinematics I go play Mass Effect 3, not an MMO.
  Sevenstar61

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Joined: 7/22/12
Posts: 1694

"But it was so artistically done..." - Grand Admiral Thrawn's final words

12/21/12 6:08:24 PM#32

Just made one movie which is maybe a bit static but one of my favorites in SWTOR... so romantic and poetic and old fashioned...

Marriage on Voss - my Imperial Agent fell in love with Voss girl... or just using her as a way to get information... does not matter.... so he...... (video is a spoiler)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knrCaeuSdlc

 

 

 


Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  Gruug

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The more you know, the more you know you don't know.

12/21/12 6:17:09 PM#33

I love the cutscenes in SWTOR. However, just considering the cost, it is going to make it very prohibitive to do in any future MMO's. The capital outlay for doing them does not mitigate the risk of a successful or a failed attempt. Further, those sort of cutscenes don't add as much when they really have little effect on the story itself. There are only minor "consequences" that occur from player choices and they almost never effect the final outcome of the story itself.

Will there be good MMO's in the future....sure. Will they have cutscenes as appears in SWTOR? Probably not.

 

Let's party like it is 1863!

  Karteli

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Posts: 2704

12/21/12 6:20:53 PM#34
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Just made one movie which is maybe a bit static but one of my favorites in SWTOR... so romantic and poetic and old fashioned...

Marriage on Voss - my Imperial Agent fell in love with Voss girl... or just using her as a way to get information... does not matter.... so he...... (video is a spoiler)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knrCaeuSdlc

Aye, I married the Voss too, pledged the 1000 year path, told her I loved her, pledged to follow her traditions, got her family to like me ..

 

Then went back to the ship and slept with Kaliyo, later dumped her and married Raina, but continued having mistresses around the galaxy.  Savior of the Universe, and bigot extraordinaire! :P

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  Sevenstar61

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Joined: 7/22/12
Posts: 1694

"But it was so artistically done..." - Grand Admiral Thrawn's final words

12/21/12 6:28:48 PM#35
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Just made one movie which is maybe a bit static but one of my favorites in SWTOR... so romantic and poetic and old fashioned...

Marriage on Voss - my Imperial Agent fell in love with Voss girl... or just using her as a way to get information... does not matter.... so he...... (video is a spoiler)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knrCaeuSdlc

Aye, I married the Voss too, pledged the 1000 year path, told her I loved her, pledged to follow her traditions, got her family to like me ..

 

Then went back to the ship and slept with Kaliyo, later dumped her and married Raina, but continued having mistresses around the galaxy.  Savior of the Universe, and bigot extraordinaire! :P

LOL... good times... though... I asked The Three to take a good care of my wife... so at least I support her... well... they support her... but they owe me /grin - so it's a win-win situation,  well... you know... if things get bad... at least one place in the  galaxy that you can go and have somebody who cares about you... I hope...

I am working right now on the favorite of yours... uploading... will post it in few minutes... /grin...

PS. What about Temple?


Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  MMOdad72

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12/21/12 6:29:07 PM#36

Hopefully not , as in I'd rather zero development time be spent on it cinematics matter none to me in a mmorpg.

Played EQ for years and loved it without cinematics.

I watch movies for movies , play mmorpg's for online interaction and gaming with lots of other people , not to be ripped out of the experiencience for a cinematic.

  Sevenstar61

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"But it was so artistically done..." - Grand Admiral Thrawn's final words

12/21/12 6:32:15 PM#37
Originally posted by MMOdad72

Hopefully not , as in I'd rather zero development time be spent on it cinematics matter none to me in a mmorpg.

Played EQ for years and loved it without cinematics.

I watch movies for movies , play mmorpg's for online interaction and gaming with lots of other people , not to be ripped out of the experiencience for a cinematic.

I suggest that you play EQ like MMO then:) I will stick with SWTOR like...  not that I do not respect your point of view. Obviously this kind of game is not your style. No reason though to deny them to exist, for these who love them.


Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  Sevenstar61

Advanced Member

Joined: 7/22/12
Posts: 1694

"But it was so artistically done..." - Grand Admiral Thrawn's final words

12/21/12 6:46:31 PM#38
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Just made one movie which is maybe a bit static but one of my favorites in SWTOR... so romantic and poetic and old fashioned...

Marriage on Voss - my Imperial Agent fell in love with Voss girl... or just using her as a way to get information... does not matter.... so he...... (video is a spoiler)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knrCaeuSdlc

Aye, I married the Voss too, pledged the 1000 year path, told her I loved her, pledged to follow her traditions, got her family to like me ..

 

Then went back to the ship and slept with Kaliyo, later dumped her and married Raina, but continued having mistresses around the galaxy.  Savior of the Universe, and bigot extraordinaire! :P

LOL... good times... though... I asked The Three to take a good care of my wife... so at least I support her... well... they support her... but they owe me /grin - so it's a win-win situation,  well... you know... if things get bad... at least one place in the  galaxy that you can go and have somebody who cares about you... I hope...

I am working right now on the favorite of yours... uploading... will post it in few minutes... /grin...

PS. What about Temple?

Here is my favorite IA quest line... I was crying at the end... :) - (spoiler)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7zimEBNkO8

PS. Karteli... if you ever consider playing SWTOR again maybe we would level some toons together... I bet it would be plenty of fun LOL....


Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  grafh

Novice Member

Joined: 12/06/05
Posts: 309

12/21/12 7:03:22 PM#39
Originally posted by TCTC
Originally posted by VassagoMael
Originally posted by birdycephon

I agree, SWTOR cutscenes are very good. I can't help but sit through them.

On the other hand, I can definitely see future games beating it in the visual department.

Originally posted by VassagoMael
Titan.

That, however is yet to be seen, as we hardly know anything about it.

We know that Blizzard is making it. And Blizzard is the King of CGI cutscenes.

 

I believe Square enix holds that title. The Pandaria introduction looked like a generic pixar ad #100.

Square does hold the title for cutscenes from FFXI. I have played alot of mmo's and none have been better than FFXI. Examples you say!? you dont trust me?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ-qLiXnDSI&list=PL0385C4B0F0DB37C4&index=17 (4:45 seconds into it)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd-A_BGYlqE&list=PL048AF64481719DB0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzSqo2FxmDU

These arent even the best cutscenes. I have yet to this day see a game produce better cutscenes. And yes, graphics are meh at best, but this is a 9year old game, and graphics arent everything when it comes to a cs.

 

  Karteli

Apprentice Member

Joined: 7/09/12
Posts: 2704

12/21/12 7:14:39 PM#40
Originally posted by grafh
Originally posted by TCTC
Originally posted by VassagoMael
Originally posted by birdycephon

I agree, SWTOR cutscenes are very good. I can't help but sit through them.

On the other hand, I can definitely see future games beating it in the visual department.

Originally posted by VassagoMael
Titan.

That, however is yet to be seen, as we hardly know anything about it.

We know that Blizzard is making it. And Blizzard is the King of CGI cutscenes.

 

I believe Square enix holds that title. The Pandaria introduction looked like a generic pixar ad #100.

Square does hold the title for cutscenes from FFXI. I have played alot of mmo's and none have been better than FFXI. Examples you say!? you dont trust me?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ-qLiXnDSI&list=PL0385C4B0F0DB37C4&index=17 (4:45 seconds into it)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd-A_BGYlqE&list=PL048AF64481719DB0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzSqo2FxmDU

These arent even the best cutscenes. I have yet to this day see a game produce better cutscenes. And yes, graphics are meh at best, but this is a 9year old game, and graphics arent everything when it comes to a cs.

It's understanding, because you are a FF fan.  Similarily I can tolerate the cutscenes in SWTOR because I'm a Star Wars fan (and they also have the dialog wheel, which is nice).  On the whole though, I'd rather see companies invest in something with more of a real-time component (like post #30 link).

 

I give SWTOR a free pass, just like you give FFXI a free pass, but I'm generally not a huge fan of having to keep stopping what I'm doing to watch non-interactive video clips every so often.  They need to be more interactive with what I'm doing in real-time .. where I'm standing .. who I'm looking at .. what I'm saying .. they have to be apart of the game, not something that feels foreign .. to me that's why HL2 feels way more immersive than just pre-fab video clips.

 

No slight to SWTOR's story though, but the delivery could be improved, especially flashpoints, ops, single player instances, and such, questing in general.

 

I used that game as an example because, amzingly enough, it was done 8 years ago.

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

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