Group of things to kill.  Kill them.   We advance.  Get new group of things to kill.  We kill, we advance to next group of things to kill.  

Now we have pretty backgrounds, maps, worlds, stars and moons, fire, and trees.  

You pass all the tests in first grade, you get to go to second grade, then to third.

I start my job cleaning the floor, then get promoted to fry-station, then cashier, then cook.  Now I have a badge that says 'crew chief'.

Is this the only way to go?  

So just because we 'kill' stuff, everything is the same?

By this logic, games such as Half Life, Quake, Amensia, Trine, Super Mario brothers, Final Fantasy, Zelda etc are the same thing because we 'kill' stuff.

On a serious note. EVE and MMO's like them are not space invaders because you are fighting real opponents with consequences if you lose, beyond losing your quarter.

Originally posted by allendale5

Group of things to kill.  Kill them.   We advance.  Get new group of things to kill.  We kill, we advance to next group of things to kill.  

Now we have pretty backgrounds, maps, worlds, stars and moons, fire, and trees.  

You pass all the tests in first grade, you get to go to second grade, then to third.

I start my job cleaning the floor, then get promoted to fry-station, then cashier, then cook.  Now I have a badge that says 'crew chief'.

Is this the only way to go?  

No that's not the only way to go. You can go to college and get a degree to sit at a desk, then sit at a bigger desk, then get a desk with a window, then get to work from home. ;)

I think what you are referring to is progression. If your question is - can we have an alternate method. That's a toughie, we debated this elsewhere and all I come up with is that there is a finite amount of items you could make to progress sideways so vertical is much simpler. You just add "more" to something to tweak it. Add 1 to stats on gear. Add 100 to creature health. Add 1 to character level. Because adding one can go on forever, there you go, expansions in a nutshell. It's like this after awhile to see anything different. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3CFNOPVp-I

Originally posted by Aelious
Nope, lack of quest text.

What are talking about?  WoW style quests are exactly like Space Invaders.  Go kill 15 rats rinse/repeat.  There just wasn't an NPC with a ? hovering over their head needed to start the quest.

In fact, Space Invaders was better than WoW because there were no add-ons that told you when to move out of way of the invaders death turds they were dropping on you.  You actually had to watch and think for yourself.

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Originally posted by Loktofeit
This thread is either going to die quickly or become epicly entertaining. I'm hoping for the latter. MMORPG.com posters, please deliver.

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Here's a rule from the book 'Trolling for dummies':

To make something seem boring and not fun you just have to repeatedly generalize the object. Warning: Clever victims will see through you and flame you to no end.

Originally posted by Johnie-Marz
I guess my life in high school was like space invaders, I would kill my social life over and over saying really stupid out of place things. (Then do it again)

lol would the opportunites to embarrass yourself come at you faster and faster?  What did you shield yourself behind from incoming fire err social attacks?

In space invaders, the levels come to you.

And bonus spawn are more common.

But there aren't as many different buttons to mash

Or as many different powerups to collect.

Originally posted by jpnz

So just because we 'kill' stuff, everything is the same?

By this logic, games such as Half Life, Quake, Amensia, Trine, Super Mario brothers, Final Fantasy, Zelda etc are the same thing because we 'kill' stuff.

He's posulating that some types of gaming are essentially limited to killing things.

Simplified worldview combined with the redefinition game. :shrug:  Not likely to be a productive thread.

Now what (video) game first used the "kill things/collect ever-better loot" itemization model (that Blizzard turned into a bazillion dollars)?  DOOM maybe? King's Quest/Ultima?

Originally posted by Icewhite

Originally posted by jpnz

So just because we 'kill' stuff, everything is the same?

By this logic, games such as Half Life, Quake, Amensia, Trine, Super Mario brothers, Final Fantasy, Zelda etc are the same thing because we 'kill' stuff.

He's posulating that some types of gaming are essentially limited to killing things.

Simplified worldview combined with the redefinition game. :shrug:  Not likely to be a productive thread.

Now what (video) game first used the "kill things/collect ever-better loot" itemization model (that Blizzard turned into a bazillion dollars)?  DOOM maybe? King's Quest/Ultima?

Pac-Man?  oh wait no..pac man says drugs make you awesome

Originally posted by apocoluster

Pac-Man?

Nope, Pac-Man didn't progress loot.  Once you collected the Most Valuable Sprite, you were done.

Short term goal addiction requires you to push the Collector button in people.  (Meh, been playing Borderlands again, my cynical 'bout loot-driven design knob is turned up to "high" this week).

Originally posted by Loktofeit
This thread is either going to die quickly or become epicly entertaining. I'm hoping for the latter. MMORPG.com posters, please deliver.

I'm not drunk yet.

No, they're full of complex choices you have to make. 

Originally posted by Latronus

Originally posted by Aelious
Nope, lack of quest text.

What are talking about?  WoW style quests are exactly like Space Invaders.  Go kill 15 rats rinse/repeat.  There just wasn't an NPC with a ? hovering over their head needed to start the quest.

In fact, Space Invaders was better than WoW because there were no add-ons that told you when to move out of way of the invaders death turds they were dropping on you.  You actually had to watch and think for yourself.

I understand the point you are making Latronus but you didn't really address Aelious's point you just argued a separate point of your choosing.