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  Sevenstar61

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12/19/12 5:22:24 PM#141

Let's be civil gentlemen :) I think we all can agree that new content is a great news for SWTOR and it's fans, no matter what our opinions about it is:).

Let hide our knifes and guns (and lighsabers) and duel again when more information will surface.


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  nate1980

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12/19/12 5:40:40 PM#142
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by nate1980
As a subscriber who planned on subscribing for many more months, I'm finding their recent approach to patches discouraging and distasteful.

I pay a subscription to fund the development of future content, yet they're going to charge me not only for the "expansion", but also for all the toys they used my subscription to develop, not to mention the extremely light "content" patches.

And who's to say the main storyline won't be 10% of the total content and that that storyline won't be the equivalent of the planetary storyline we know of now, which aren't all that great, with the rest of the 90% of the content being the lame side quests we can't stand in swtor?

Makeb will be 100% planetary questlines, and 0% class queslines.  It was confirmed (http://www.darthhater.com/devtracker/topic/86619-story-content-in-the-new-expansion).

 

quote:

"No class specific storylines are included"

Um, I already knew that. There's an overarcing storyline for each planet, which consists usually of only 10% of the content for each planet. You start that quest chain by talking to the guy in the spaceport. You know the ones I'm talking about. Then all the rest of the quests are filler sidequests. 

Who here would gladly pay $10 for any of the planets we currently have, minus the class story for that planet? I certainly wouldn't, and I'm guessing that's all we're getting with Makeb. They said we're going to love the storyline, yet they also said we'd love the lifeday event items, which I found all cheasy and a sad grab for money with no benefit for subscribers.

  superniceguy

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NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

12/19/12 7:32:08 PM#143
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Let's be civil gentlemen :) I think we all can agree that new content is a great news for SWTOR and it's fans, no matter what our opinions about it is:).

Let hide our knifes and guns (and lighsabers) and duel again when more information will surface.

This is not new content though. I wish there was news of new content, and you only get this content if you pay for it.

SWTOR is seriously lacking in content.

But I do agree that things went a bit pear shaped there, people can't seem to handle the truth, and start getting personal. I'll keep debating opinions of the game, but when people can't come up with decent arguments against my opinions, they stoop to trying to discredit you or slinging insults, which is completely pathetic, and that is where it reaches the end of decent discussion.

 

 

  nate1980

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12/19/12 7:49:17 PM#144
Originally posted by jpnz

Not surprized that the usual haters / fanboys are all over this.

It is $10 for additional content.

Whether that is something you want to pay for that content is up to you.

I personally don't have an issue with $10 as I like SWTOR's story and want to know more.

Christ, I can barely get drinkable coffee at that price.

Ever since MMORPG's released, it's been a well known fact that a major part of you subscription money goes towards the creation of future content updates and expansions, the former which are free, and the latter are sometimes free, depending on the company. Subscribers have seen very little in return for the continued subscription. Updates are few and far between, with little substance. Most development time is now being poured into creating things for the cash shop, and now content that was never intended for DLC is now being sold as it. 

If you're a free player, then this all doesn't sound so bad, because you're getting what you pay for (ie. cash shop items, unlocks, etc.), where subscribers get a few perks and that's it. 

  mistmaker

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12/19/12 11:35:40 PM#145
Originally posted by Rocketeer
Originally posted by mistmaker

you shouldnt be billed for content updates in sub games, that is what paying a sub is for. perhaps some companies think, 15 dollars is just the fee for using the servers....

just my opinion, and i am someone who would even pay 30 dollars for a really good (sandbox) game per month. i prefer paying for a game for gamers than a game for milking money

Bollocks. Aslong as the price is justified charging for a content update is fine(for example if its a very large amount of content, artwork, voice actors etc).

The problem i see is that often there is no direct relation between price and amount/quality of content. For example Trion charging 30$ for their last rift expansion? Thats fine even for a subgame, they did alot of free content during the year and the expansion clearly went above and beyond. GW2 and TSWs B2P box price? One can see thats very good value even if you personally don't like the games, its the price of a single player game with weeks if not months worth of content, compared to your average 10hour playthrough single player game that costs the same if not more.

But some of the other xpacs, or shop prices in F2P shops? Ebenezer scrooge would be ashamed. For example charging people 20$ for a package of christmasy items in your store while doing zilch ingame eventwise. No matter how you look at it, thats not exactly nice, especially considering the season. I mean it would be nice to atleast keep up appearances and pretend your a nice chrsistmasy fellow(company).

sorry but you are wrong. you pay a sub for having an evolving game (they always use that word as an excuse for an unfinished game though) that means new content every about 2 months. they didnt deliver anything in swtor and sell their first real update as an expansion? and its a rather small update too.... 

 

i shouldnt care, because i neither hate or love that game, but those politics will not be good for future games. now its a sub game with no updates in this sub, a cash shop, a pay for ui-elements, and selling updates as expansions. and you think thats right? ok...

 

i am waiting for a game by gamers for gamers. and not for JUST the profit

  jpnz

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OP  12/19/12 11:48:33 PM#146
Originally posted by superniceguy
 

This is not new content though. I wish there was news of new content, and you only get this content if you pay for it.

SWTOR is seriously lacking in content.

But I do agree that things went a bit pear shaped there, people can't seem to handle the truth, and start getting personal. I'll keep debating opinions of the game, but when people can't come up with decent arguments against my opinions, they stoop to trying to discredit you or slinging insults, which is completely pathetic, and that is where it reaches the end of decent discussion.

 

 

If you want to compare apples to apples, the change to F2P means EA is giving a lot more to gamers so not sure why anyone would be upset that EA is now charging for a piece of content.

I am seriously surprized at the amount of hate that people have at EA for $10 though.

That's what I spend every morning for coffee on my way to work.

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  Deskjet

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12/20/12 3:05:04 AM#147
Originally posted by mistmaker
Originally posted by Rocketeer
Originally posted by mistmaker

you shouldnt be billed for content updates in sub games, that is what paying a sub is for. perhaps some companies think, 15 dollars is just the fee for using the servers....

just my opinion, and i am someone who would even pay 30 dollars for a really good (sandbox) game per month. i prefer paying for a game for gamers than a game for milking money

Bollocks. Aslong as the price is justified charging for a content update is fine(for example if its a very large amount of content, artwork, voice actors etc).

The problem i see is that often there is no direct relation between price and amount/quality of content. For example Trion charging 30$ for their last rift expansion? Thats fine even for a subgame, they did alot of free content during the year and the expansion clearly went above and beyond. GW2 and TSWs B2P box price? One can see thats very good value even if you personally don't like the games, its the price of a single player game with weeks if not months worth of content, compared to your average 10hour playthrough single player game that costs the same if not more.

But some of the other xpacs, or shop prices in F2P shops? Ebenezer scrooge would be ashamed. For example charging people 20$ for a package of christmasy items in your store while doing zilch ingame eventwise. No matter how you look at it, thats not exactly nice, especially considering the season. I mean it would be nice to atleast keep up appearances and pretend your a nice chrsistmasy fellow(company).

sorry but you are wrong. you pay a sub for having an evolving game (they always use that word as an excuse for an unfinished game though) that means new content every about 2 months. they didnt deliver anything in swtor and sell their first real update as an expansion? and its a rather small update too.... 

 

i shouldnt care, because i neither hate or love that game, but those politics will not be good for future games. now its a sub game with no updates in this sub, a cash shop, a pay for ui-elements, and selling updates as expansions. and you think thats right? ok...

 

i am waiting for a game by gamers for gamers. and not for JUST the profit

 

I don't normaly post in this loonybin and I'm not exactly thrilled that this "digital expansion" is being montized to subscribers but I feel I gottta chime in at this stage and point out that you're being a bit disingenious whe you say BW hasn't delivered anything and is charging for the first real update.

Since the restructuring the content updates have stuck to the prommised 6 week schedual and the game has seen a new operation with a new PvE tier of gear, a new daily area with a new companion and now a new warzone with a new PvP tier. I as a subscriber that enjoys all aspects of an MMO certainly don't feel shortchanged for my 15$ in the last 12-18 weeks and that's what matters to me. I'll complain whne there's no new content added when we again have a content drought, not now due to the fact content was teased 6months ago, that's a bit ridicolous in my book.

 

As far as Makeb value for the 10$, I don't feel I can say yet. It's certainly gonna be more than just say Hoth monetized, with the lvl cap raise and all but... 10$ I feel I'm fine with, 20$ for f2p? Possibly a bit much given what we know so far. Tho  I admit I don't know the usual price points for "adventure packs" in other f2p titles.

 

  superniceguy

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NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

12/20/12 8:11:25 AM#148
Originally posted by jpnz
Originally posted by superniceguy
 

This is not new content though. I wish there was news of new content, and you only get this content if you pay for it.

SWTOR is seriously lacking in content.

But I do agree that things went a bit pear shaped there, people can't seem to handle the truth, and start getting personal. I'll keep debating opinions of the game, but when people can't come up with decent arguments against my opinions, they stoop to trying to discredit you or slinging insults, which is completely pathetic, and that is where it reaches the end of decent discussion.

 

 

If you want to compare apples to apples, the change to F2P means EA is giving a lot more to gamers so not sure why anyone would be upset that EA is now charging for a piece of content.

I am seriously surprized at the amount of hate that people have at EA for $10 though.

That's what I spend every morning for coffee on my way to work.

$10 for that, $20 for the Life Day items (as a discounted bundle), a few dollars for Fireworks, and so on. Yep more content but at a cost, on top of your $15 monthly fee. Other MMOs that have a sub have this stuff included with your monthly fee.

The expansion will end up costing $100 by the time it gets in, as was supposed to be in before the end of 2012, so to June totals about $90 more in monthly fees, past its due date

Basically $10 is not the issue, but the lack of content, as this stuff should be in game NOW, with MORE new stuff for June / Spring. I would have paid $30 or even up to $60 for an expansion if it was stuff not mentioned already depending on what it all was (makeb and level cap raise was mentioned in June 2012)

I am going to spend $10 and more on STO instead, as they are proving that they are committed to the game and it has more of a definate future. There is plenty of stuff planned for 2013 and they recently expanded the dev team, and some were frpm Paragon Studios following the closure of COH (which only went F2P last year itself) Each week Perfect World do something for STO, and I can even play/grind the game to get ZEN (STOs currency like Cartel Coins is for SWTOR) instead of actually whipping out credit card and "cheating"

  gervaise1

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12/20/12 10:09:30 AM#149
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

How do you know that "original Makeb' was supposed to be exactly the same as "expansion Makeb". In my opinion they decided to beef it up and release as expansion, therefore the delay until Spring. I think these two are two completely different beasts. Until we know more, we should not really make any assumptions.

Wow they really got you hooked lol.

 

As for the expansion, its a joke. With how bad they are nickle and dimin F2P and then this "expansion" that should be free content anyways..... I am definitely not coming back. DCUO, TSW, and GW2 are what im sticking with and they offer better value.

As a subscriber why would I care about F2P. They are lucky that they can experience for free this great stories in Star Wars Universe. I am totally against giving freebies to anybody. It destroys people and makes us a society of beggars and freeloaders. We have now people who get stuff for free and dare to complain about it. Maybe because I am older then 99.9% of posters here I see things differently.

Sure stick with the other games... and by all means have fun and be happy there. As for me - I do not run to other forums to bash games I no longer play. I appreciate hard work many developers spent trying their best to create great games. It's hard work, and very unrewarding... considering gamers forums.

Anyway, Yes I am hooked and addicted to SWTOR... I love it, enjoy it, having fun, having blast. I wish everybody the same kind of experience in their MMOs.

Cheers

 

As a subscriber you should care because EA see the sub/F2P model as their best chance of the game "making money".

Currently it isn't - EA having said that at some stage the game has to make a profit. The clear implication: the game is making a loss. So subscribers as well as F2P folk are getting a freebie.

And because EA want the game to make a profit then they are charging for the expansion - one shouldn't complain about that; if anyone needed any reminder why then THQ plight should make it clear. Yes EA have cash today but if they keep losing money then it will be all over.

I feel thst subscribers should get in early however; they shouldn't imo, have to pre-purchase. I don't like pre-purchasing at the best of times but this would have been a way of giving subscribers a perk. I can't helpthinking that it is an attempt to get money in before the end of EA's financial quarter so that EA can say that all is well. THQ coming on top of EA being removed from the NASDAQ 100 should lead to some tough shareholder questions. 

As for it being "the same Markeb" - I doubt the final design is as expansive as what they originally planned due to budget constraints but anything they had already produced (remember they started work on an nxpac before the game launch) will almost certainly have been kept and included. That simply makes sense. Two $7.50 mini-expansions is what WarHammer got after it went F2P ...... and subsequently the game went into deep auto-run mode.

  Thebigthrill

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12/20/12 10:14:18 AM#150
Originally posted by jpnz
Originally posted by superniceguy
 

This is not new content though. I wish there was news of new content, and you only get this content if you pay for it.

SWTOR is seriously lacking in content.

But I do agree that things went a bit pear shaped there, people can't seem to handle the truth, and start getting personal. I'll keep debating opinions of the game, but when people can't come up with decent arguments against my opinions, they stoop to trying to discredit you or slinging insults, which is completely pathetic, and that is where it reaches the end of decent discussion.

 

 

If you want to compare apples to apples, the change to F2P means EA is giving a lot more to gamers so not sure why anyone would be upset that EA is now charging for a piece of content.

I am seriously surprized at the amount of hate that people have at EA for $10 though.

That's what I spend every morning for coffee on my way to work.

$10.00 for coffee? Doese a Columbian on a donkey jump in your car and hand grind the beans in front of you?

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  hikaru77

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12/20/12 10:20:44 AM#151
is just 10$, and it will help them to make more content, what the big deal?. PLus, still we will get more content updates every six weeks till the xpac and after that. 
  baphamet

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12/20/12 11:04:56 AM#152

all this whining over $10? ROFL!!

people that actually play this game from time to time are happy with this and people who spend all their time hating on the game are happy as well because it gives them something new to complain about.

its a win for everyone!

  mistmaker

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12/20/12 12:14:32 PM#153
Originally posted by Deskjet
Originally posted by mistmaker
Originally posted by Rocketeer
Originally posted by mistmaker

you shouldnt be billed for content updates in sub games, that is what paying a sub is for. perhaps some companies think, 15 dollars is just the fee for using the servers....

just my opinion, and i am someone who would even pay 30 dollars for a really good (sandbox) game per month. i prefer paying for a game for gamers than a game for milking money

Bollocks. Aslong as the price is justified charging for a content update is fine(for example if its a very large amount of content, artwork, voice actors etc).

The problem i see is that often there is no direct relation between price and amount/quality of content. For example Trion charging 30$ for their last rift expansion? Thats fine even for a subgame, they did alot of free content during the year and the expansion clearly went above and beyond. GW2 and TSWs B2P box price? One can see thats very good value even if you personally don't like the games, its the price of a single player game with weeks if not months worth of content, compared to your average 10hour playthrough single player game that costs the same if not more.

But some of the other xpacs, or shop prices in F2P shops? Ebenezer scrooge would be ashamed. For example charging people 20$ for a package of christmasy items in your store while doing zilch ingame eventwise. No matter how you look at it, thats not exactly nice, especially considering the season. I mean it would be nice to atleast keep up appearances and pretend your a nice chrsistmasy fellow(company).

sorry but you are wrong. you pay a sub for having an evolving game (they always use that word as an excuse for an unfinished game though) that means new content every about 2 months. they didnt deliver anything in swtor and sell their first real update as an expansion? and its a rather small update too.... 

 

i shouldnt care, because i neither hate or love that game, but those politics will not be good for future games. now its a sub game with no updates in this sub, a cash shop, a pay for ui-elements, and selling updates as expansions. and you think thats right? ok...

 

i am waiting for a game by gamers for gamers. and not for JUST the profit

 

I don't normaly post in this loonybin and I'm not exactly thrilled that this "digital expansion" is being montized to subscribers but I feel I gottta chime in at this stage and point out that you're being a bit disingenious whe you say BW hasn't delivered anything and is charging for the first real update.

Since the restructuring the content updates have stuck to the prommised 6 week schedual and the game has seen a new operation with a new PvE tier of gear, a new daily area with a new companion and now a new warzone with a new PvP tier. I as a subscriber that enjoys all aspects of an MMO certainly don't feel shortchanged for my 15$ in the last 12-18 weeks and that's what matters to me. I'll complain whne there's no new content added when we again have a content drought, not now due to the fact content was teased 6months ago, that's a bit ridicolous in my book.

 

As far as Makeb value for the 10$, I don't feel I can say yet. It's certainly gonna be more than just say Hoth monetized, with the lvl cap raise and all but... 10$ I feel I'm fine with, 20$ for f2p? Possibly a bit much given what we know so far. Tho  I admit I don't know the usual price points for "adventure packs" in other f2p titles.

 

IMO they shouldnt have subs at all. either f2p cash shop DLC or sub not both. you are blind when you dont see that its just to milk out the rest. perhaps there were great plans in the beginning but now its just a money thing.

  gervaise1

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12/20/12 12:19:36 PM#154

Those who say "it's just $10" miss the point. It would be easy enough to suggest tto them that they pay $300 a month - only one cup of coffee a day for the $10 a cup poster above! And if $300 is OK what about $1000 every month .......

It is about value for money - a concept that drives economies and innovation.

Before the game launched I and others suggested that EA would have been better selling the game without a subscription and adopted paid for DLC. The suggestion was that the content offered by SWTOR did not justify a monthly sub. Needless to say the army of "it's only $15 a month" came out to bash the suggestion. Again totally missing the point.

Now it is hard to know how much revenue EA made from subscriptions in the last year. 30 days included and 30 days free so someone who has subbed since day 1 will have spent $150. Average number of subscribers .... as in people who paid beyond the 30 days .... 500k? That would be $75M from subs.

Back when the game launched analysts suggested that 2M sales would have brought in $60M (remember EA do not get 100% etc.). So EA would have had to have sold another 2.5M. I reckon they could have done that. No subscription, marketed as KotR3 essentially. It would have only been 5M total - Skyrim and Battlefield each sold over 10M. And the game would have continued to sell. And all the content released so far - potentially - could have been $5 DLC packs.

 

And that is the point. Is what they are doing value for money or simply a cash grab? Is what they are doing the best way to make money. Will it keep the subscribers they have happy? If a subscriber decides that if they are having to pay for content as well as paying a sub so they may as welll go F2P - then EA may gain $10 but lose $15 a month. If enough subscribers decide they may as well be F2P ....

Now the expansion may be huge ... it probably isn't going to be but until we know we can't say for sure that this represents "value for money" - value as in what is best for the game. 

 

 

  Muke

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12/20/12 12:21:37 PM#155
Originally posted by dreamsofwar
Is only adding 5 levels per expansion the cool thing to do now?

doesnt matter if they add 5 or 50.

The usual powergrinder does them all in a day or 2 anyway to be the 'server's first'.

The player that plays for fun will be busy for a while anyway.

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  daltanious

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12/21/12 4:49:05 AM#156
Originally posted by jpnz

http://www.swtor.com/buy?intcmp=sor_bwa-mkt-t-us-hp-012

It is on the official SWTOR site so it should be legitamate.

Looks pretty good so I'm happy with that. Gives me time to level my BH to 50 as well.

 

Barely can wait to start playing it. My 8 lv. 50 are awaiting. :-)) another 8 are on the road to lv. 50. :-)

The only thing I'm only sorry if info is true, that there will not be class questing continuation. But they will have full voiced quests that are one of the best and strongest points of swtor. Imo of course. Have however friend or two that loves only pvp, jumping on people throath :-) whenever possible and he does not care at all nor for voiced nor for texted quests. He would skip anyway.

  Rydeson

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12/21/12 6:14:09 AM#157
Originally posted by hikaru77
is just 10$, and it will help them to make more content, what the big deal?. PLus, still we will get more content updates every six weeks till the xpac and after that. 

But.. But.. But...  For the past year, people have been saying, "oh the subscrption pays for added content, yada yada yada".... Well, here comes the added content Makeb and it's NOT free...... WTF?  Makeb is not a stand alone expansion, and to beleive so is just lying to yourself..  What are you paying for each month if content patches like Makeb aren't free?  Just saying!!!

  ShakyMo

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12/21/12 6:22:27 AM#158
The naivety of "will let them make more content"
  Karteli

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12/21/12 10:17:43 AM#159

A problem I have with the new DLC is how EA is marketing it as an expansion, along with their new approach to how new content will be paid for.  It's not that content costs money, but all in the presentation.

 

Even though the DLC content in SWTOR may be 1/4 of a $40 expansion for other games, with SWTOR being 1/4 of the cost, it just doesn't have the same feeling of an expansion.  I love the sensation of getting a full blown expansion in other games and being overwhelmed with new material, just as though the game suddenly relaunched.  Then there is the feature of how when other games do launch a full-out expansion, they continue to release smaller content every month or 2, free of charge, to stack on top of what was already paid for.

 

It's all about the perception of getting what you pay for.  Even though SWTOR may release 4 chunks of DLC ($10 each for $40 total) with the same overall content of another games $40 expansion, each small DLC in SWTOR feels really shrimpy.  I'll never be even temporarily overwhelmed.  Plus, if EA continues this trend, then they will have less overall new stuff, since they would not be releasing free patches later (ie 2.11, 2.21, etc).  I'm not personally convinced that nickle and diming DLC is a good way to go, but there would be conter arguments to this.  I just can't get away from feeling, "meh".

 

Now if SWTOR would release a well done freeroam space, with LOTS of stuff to do, many features, all new ways to play .. well hey that's pretty major - that would be worth $40.  Provided of course that it's not just some small area of space with invisible walls, or an instance (think WoW's freeroam flight dungeon "Oculus" in WotLK), or just some minor instanced PVP map where you fly around a small zone.

 

Quality with SWTOR seems to be decreasing, and EA doesn't seem willing to invest adequate money into the project.  I could throw in this analogy - SWTOR is like a cafe that was losing business because of poor treatment of customers while they stopped by for coffee and a meal.  Instead of working hard to make everyones experience awesome everytime they came, the cafe decided to cut funding and stop making their sandwhiches with fresh carved ham and turkey.  They now use flavorless turkey loaf and rubbery ham loaf.  Water is free if you go into the bathroom and cup your hands, but a cup costs money.  You get a soda with the price of a meal, but if you want a cold soda that costs extra, and additionally, ice will cost extra too.  Word got out and now even less people go there than before.  Now, not only does the cafe still have bad customer service, they also don't give customers very much inspiration to spend money there.  Because of bad decisions, the future of the cafe is in jeopardy.

 

TLDR:

Nickle and diming is going to have a rocky future, especially if the quality is perceived as less.

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  kryzbyn

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12/21/12 11:50:59 AM#160
Was it to early to write off SWTOR? Could thye possibly turn it into a better MMO with expansions?
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