Originally posted by catlana

Originally posted by BigAndShiny

"SW:TOR will never get any meaningful content updates"

SW:TOR gets expnsion. 

"It's not a proper expansion"

WAY TO CHANGE THE F****** parameters of the argument, guys.

I did lol at this. The expansion is ten dollars. I spend more than that on coffee every day. If ten dollars breaks you, you need a new job. I am hopeful that this expansion adds quite a few hours of content so I will pick this up.

so did I.  compaining that forum users changed the fucking parameters of the argument when the developer changed the description of makeb from biggest content update ever to expansion?  that is funny.  As for the hours of content you hope for, I'm sure it will have it.  But what about endgame content?  I really doubt they made an entire new set of flashpoints, ops, and dailies for 55.  That means we will see a bit of new stuff, and the existing endgame content bumped up to 55.

Originally posted by catlana

Originally posted by BigAndShiny

"SW:TOR will never get any meaningful content updates"

SW:TOR gets expnsion. 

"It's not a proper expansion"

WAY TO CHANGE THE F****** parameters of the argument, guys.

I did lol at this. The expansion is ten dollars. I spend more than that on coffee every day. If ten dollars breaks you, you need a new job. I am hopeful that this expansion adds quite a few hours of content so I will pick this up.

$10 is not the problem - 1) The content was intended to be free, and 2) It was stated to be in game before the end of 2012.

Therefore by the time it gets in about June 2012, you would have spent about $90 more on sub fees, plus now this = $100, with little to no other content in the meantime.

"Other new features and content was also teased for the online-only game including a new HK-51 android companion, a new planet called Makeb, new space missions, flashpoints and a level cap; raise all of which will be implemented before the end of 2012."

If the stuff was brand new, then it would be only $10, and would have been an expansion, whilst makeb etc was added on top.

If $10 is OK for you then maybe you could send EA $10 for the Heroic space missions  and some of the other stuff too, that has already been added. If it is not OK for you, then maybe you see the point.

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by catlana

Originally posted by BigAndShiny

"SW:TOR will never get any meaningful content updates"

SW:TOR gets expnsion. 

"It's not a proper expansion"

WAY TO CHANGE THE F****** parameters of the argument, guys.

I did lol at this. The expansion is ten dollars. I spend more than that on coffee every day. If ten dollars breaks you, you need a new job. I am hopeful that this expansion adds quite a few hours of content so I will pick this up.

$10 is not the problem - 1) The content was intended to be free, and 2) It was stated to be in game before the end of 2012.

Therefore by the time it gets in about June 2012, you would have spent about $90 more on sub fees, plus now this = $100, with little to no other content in the meantime.

"Other new features and content was also teased for the online-only game including a new HK-51 android companion, a new planet called Makeb, new space missions, flashpoints and a level cap; raise all of which will be implemented before the end of 2012."

If the stuff was brand new, then it would be only $10, and would have been an expansion, whilst makeb etc was added on top.

If $10 is OK for you then maybe you could send EA $10 for the Heroic space missions  and some of the other stuff too, that has already been added. If it is not OK for you, then maybe you see the point.

I dont see how people think that giving this stuff away will at all benefit the developer.

Would you still want the expansion for free if they came out and said that they would have to shut down their serves because they just cant sustain them anymore because they are not getting enouh revenue?

I mean, cmon. How much of a hint do you need?

I personally dont want the servers to go down, Im gladly paying for the expansion.

Originally posted by birdycephon

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by catlana

Originally posted by BigAndShiny

"SW:TOR will never get any meaningful content updates"

SW:TOR gets expnsion. 

"It's not a proper expansion"

WAY TO CHANGE THE F****** parameters of the argument, guys.

I did lol at this. The expansion is ten dollars. I spend more than that on coffee every day. If ten dollars breaks you, you need a new job. I am hopeful that this expansion adds quite a few hours of content so I will pick this up.

$10 is not the problem - 1) The content was intended to be free, and 2) It was stated to be in game before the end of 2012.

Therefore by the time it gets in about June 2012, you would have spent about $90 more on sub fees, plus now this = $100, with little to no other content in the meantime.

"Other new features and content was also teased for the online-only game including a new HK-51 android companion, a new planet called Makeb, new space missions, flashpoints and a level cap; raise all of which will be implemented before the end of 2012."

If the stuff was brand new, then it would be only $10, and would have been an expansion, whilst makeb etc was added on top.

If $10 is OK for you then maybe you could send EA $10 for the Heroic space missions  and some of the other stuff too, that has already been added. If it is not OK for you, then maybe you see the point.

I dont see how people think that giving this stuff away will at all benefit the developer.

Would you still want the expansion for free if they came out and said that they would have to shut down their serves because they just cant sustain them anymore because they are not getting enouh revenue?

I mean, cmon. How much of a hint do you need?

I personally dont want the servers to go down, Im gladly paying for the expansion.

They are not giving it away for free, you are paying $15 per month for it.

It is the same stuff they have been banging on about all year that was going to be added for free, within your $15

If it was new stuff it would be worth paying for, as they have shown they have been hard at work on the game and commited to its future. Instead they repackage up already written content and sell it as an expansion.

They are only charging for this, to get as much money to pay back what they paid to create the game, and then servers will be shut down regardless. They are making SWTOR players pay for their mistakes.

They are turning SWTOR into the biggest con of MMO gaming.

Originally posted by birdycephon

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by catlana

Originally posted by BigAndShiny

"SW:TOR will never get any meaningful content updates"

SW:TOR gets expnsion. 

"It's not a proper expansion"

WAY TO CHANGE THE F****** parameters of the argument, guys.

I did lol at this. The expansion is ten dollars. I spend more than that on coffee every day. If ten dollars breaks you, you need a new job. I am hopeful that this expansion adds quite a few hours of content so I will pick this up.

$10 is not the problem - 1) The content was intended to be free, and 2) It was stated to be in game before the end of 2012.

Therefore by the time it gets in about June 2012, you would have spent about $90 more on sub fees, plus now this = $100, with little to no other content in the meantime.

"Other new features and content was also teased for the online-only game including a new HK-51 android companion, a new planet called Makeb, new space missions, flashpoints and a level cap; raise all of which will be implemented before the end of 2012."

If the stuff was brand new, then it would be only $10, and would have been an expansion, whilst makeb etc was added on top.

If $10 is OK for you then maybe you could send EA $10 for the Heroic space missions  and some of the other stuff too, that has already been added. If it is not OK for you, then maybe you see the point.

I dont see how people think that giving this stuff away will at all benefit the developer.

Would you still want the expansion for free if they came out and said that they would have to shut down their serves because they just cant sustain them anymore because they are not getting enouh revenue?

I mean, cmon. How much of a hint do you need?

I personally dont want the servers to go down, Im gladly paying for the expansion.

There are aspects of the game I love like duo'ing with my son or doing flashpoints with friends, but yah I guess I'm willing to see the servers close if it means showing the industry that constant nickel and diming will kill their games.  It would be nice if it didn't come to that.  

Through their actions this month EA gained $10 from you and lost $30 a month from me.  I know plenty of people feel they have been pushed to far and won't continue to pay and plenty of others like you will be ok with it, I guess we have to wait until febuary or march to see how it goes.

you shouldnt be billed for content updates in sub games, that is what paying a sub is for. perhaps some companies think, 15 dollars is just the fee for using the servers....

just my opinion, and i am someone who would even pay 30 dollars for a really good (sandbox) game per month. i prefer paying for a game for gamers than a game for milking money

Originally posted by superniceguy

 

$10 is not the problem - 1) The content was intended to be free, and 2) It was stated to be in game before the end of 2012.

Therefore by the time it gets in about June 2012, you would have spent about $90 more on sub fees, plus now this = $100, with little to no other content in the meantime.

"Other new features and content was also teased for the online-only game including a new HK-51 android companion, a new planet called Makeb, new space missions, flashpoints and a level cap; raise all of which will be implemented before the end of 2012."

If the stuff was brand new, then it would be only $10, and would have been an expansion, whilst makeb etc was added on top.

If $10 is OK for you then maybe you could send EA $10 for the Heroic space missions  and some of the other stuff too, that has already been added. If it is not OK for you, then maybe you see the point.

Priorities change on every single major project. Wow was originally going to add dance studios, Blizz dropped the idea completely to focus on other areas. Bioware has decided that they for whatever reason have to delay the Makeb content until the expansion. Furthermore, Bioware wants a gate to new story based content for f2p players. Otherwise, there would be no incentive from story only f2p players to pay anything.

Now, I am disappointed in the delay on Makeb arriving. However, I will still have fun playing with friends and family in the new Warzone and flashpoints until Makeb is released. If the game becomes not fun then I will stop playing. I am not going to get worked up over ten dollars. My trip for diner and the Hobbit with family cost several orders of magnitude more than that.

If you go looking for insults, you will always find them. If you have a negative outlook on life, negative events will always occur to you. Positive outlook means sometimes you will be disappointed, but you will enjoy life a lot more.   

Originally posted by mistmaker

you shouldnt be billed for content updates in sub games, that is what paying a sub is for. perhaps some companies think, 15 dollars is just the fee for using the servers....

just my opinion, and i am someone who would even pay 30 dollars for a really good (sandbox) game per month. i prefer paying for a game for gamers than a game for milking money

Bollocks. Aslong as the price is justified charging for a content update is fine(for example if its a very large amount of content, artwork, voice actors etc).

The problem i see is that often there is no direct relation between price and amount/quality of content. For example Trion charging 30$ for their last rift expansion? Thats fine even for a subgame, they did alot of free content during the year and the expansion clearly went above and beyond. GW2 and TSWs B2P box price? One can see thats very good value even if you personally don't like the games, its the price of a single player game with weeks if not months worth of content, compared to your average 10hour playthrough single player game that costs the same if not more.

But some of the other xpacs, or shop prices in F2P shops? Ebenezer scrooge would be ashamed. For example charging people 20$ for a package of christmasy items in your store while doing zilch ingame eventwise. No matter how you look at it, thats not exactly nice, especially considering the season. I mean it would be nice to atleast keep up appearances and pretend your a nice chrsistmasy fellow(company).

Originally posted by Skuz

Originally posted by karmath
When you buy this, keep in mind you are hurting the MMO genre more than you realise.

That smacks of "you aren't listening to me so you are wrong".

Are you some kind of qualified clairvoyant? 

LOL. The drama queens on this site never cease to amaze me. Guilt tripping people for liking a game . Amazing. 

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by Skuz

Originally posted by karmath
When you buy this, keep in mind you are hurting the MMO genre more than you realise.

That smacks of "you aren't listening to me so you are wrong".

Are you some kind of qualified clairvoyant? 

LOL. The drama queens on this site never cease to amaze me. 

They charving for an expansion?!

Of all the worst things that could happen, this is THE WORST POSSIBLE THING!!!

Originally posted by Rocketeer

Originally posted by mistmaker

you shouldnt be billed for content updates in sub games, that is what paying a sub is for. perhaps some companies think, 15 dollars is just the fee for using the servers....

just my opinion, and i am someone who would even pay 30 dollars for a really good (sandbox) game per month. i prefer paying for a game for gamers than a game for milking money

Bollocks. Aslong as the price is justified charging for a content update is fine(for example if its a very large amount of content, artwork, voice actors etc).

The problem i see is that often there is no direct relation between price and amount/quality of content. For example Trion charging 30$ for their last rift expansion? Thats fine even for a subgame, they did alot of free content during the year and the expansion clearly went above and beyond. GW2 and TSWs B2P box price? One can see thats very good value even if you personally don't like the games, its the price of a single player game with weeks if not months worth of content, compared to your average 10hour playthrough single player game that costs the same if not more.

But some of the other xpacs, or shop prices in F2P shops? Ebenezer scrooge would be ashamed. For example charging people 20$ for a package of christmasy items in your store while doing zilch ingame eventwise. No matter how you look at it, thats not exactly nice, especially considering the season. I mean it would be nice to atleast keep up appearances and pretend your a nice chrsistmasy fellow(company).

I think you are confusing content updates with expansions.

Rift, LOTRO, WOW etc do not charge for their content updates for subbers. If this was a proper expansion it would cost $30-$60, but they know the content is not big enough for an expansion so only charge $10 for it, highlighting the fact that the content is miniscule, and only a normal update, which the $15 should cover, but classify it as an expansion to say the game had an expansion, and not a total failure.

SWTOR has had very little content added to it since its release, the reason why people keep leaving, and lost over 75% of population from launch. Now it is supposed to get something worth subbing for, and they want more money on top again.

Originally posted by Tamanous
In the time it took many here to argue on the forums over this they could have gone outside and made $10 collecting bottles and looking for change.

Ha, if I did that, Id be loosing money.

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by Rocketeer

Originally posted by mistmaker

you shouldnt be billed for content updates in sub games, that is what paying a sub is for. perhaps some companies think, 15 dollars is just the fee for using the servers....

just my opinion, and i am someone who would even pay 30 dollars for a really good (sandbox) game per month. i prefer paying for a game for gamers than a game for milking money

Bollocks. Aslong as the price is justified charging for a content update is fine(for example if its a very large amount of content, artwork, voice actors etc).

The problem i see is that often there is no direct relation between price and amount/quality of content. For example Trion charging 30$ for their last rift expansion? Thats fine even for a subgame, they did alot of free content during the year and the expansion clearly went above and beyond. GW2 and TSWs B2P box price? One can see thats very good value even if you personally don't like the games, its the price of a single player game with weeks if not months worth of content, compared to your average 10hour playthrough single player game that costs the same if not more.

But some of the other xpacs, or shop prices in F2P shops? Ebenezer scrooge would be ashamed. For example charging people 20$ for a package of christmasy items in your store while doing zilch ingame eventwise. No matter how you look at it, thats not exactly nice, especially considering the season. I mean it would be nice to atleast keep up appearances and pretend your a nice chrsistmasy fellow(company).

I think you are confusing content updates with expansions.

Rift, LOTRO, WOW etc do not charge for their content updates for subbers. If this was a proper expansion it would cost $30-$60, but they know the content is not big enough for an expansion so only charge $10 for it, highlighting the fact that the content is miniscule, and only a normal update, which the $15 should cover, but classify it as an expansion to say the game had an expansion, and not a total failure.

SWTOR has had very little content added to it since its release, the reason why people keep leaving, and lost over 75% of population from launch. Now it is supposed to get something worth subbing for, and they want more money on top again.

I fully understand the point but I also look at it like the game is on a reset since F2P. It was basically a relaunch. The company and team has gone through many changes. To hold on to promises from 6 months to a year ago is unrealistic to a degree.

I too feel the 6 week content cycle should not have been stolen from for expansion content (if indeed it was) but I also note that very few mmos have given out increased level cap content free. I reserve judgement until all specifics for the expansion are out and the amount of total content confirmed.

I do one question for you though: Do you exist in cyber space for only one reason? ... to troll on SWTOR? I worry for both your physical and mental health. Move on with your life ... move on.

Originally posted by birdycephon

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by Skuz

Originally posted by karmath
When you buy this, keep in mind you are hurting the MMO genre more than you realise.

That smacks of "you aren't listening to me so you are wrong".

Are you some kind of qualified clairvoyant? 

LOL. The drama queens on this site never cease to amaze me. 

They charving for an expansion?!

Of all the worst things that could happen, this is THE WORST POSSIBLE THING!!!

That is not the point.

If the expansion had new stuff never before been announced, then paying for it would be more acceptable

The expansion just contains stuff that was meant to come as normal updates, and before the end of 2012, and there is NOTHING new on the horizon / planned, showing not much of a future for the game.

If people quit playing SWTOR when there was stuff coming, then they will most definately quit now when there is NOTHING.

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by birdycephon

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by Skuz

Originally posted by karmath
When you buy this, keep in mind you are hurting the MMO genre more than you realise.

That smacks of "you aren't listening to me so you are wrong".

Are you some kind of qualified clairvoyant? 

LOL. The drama queens on this site never cease to amaze me. 

They charving for an expansion?!

Of all the worst things that could happen, this is THE WORST POSSIBLE THING!!!

That is not the point.

If the expansion had new stuff never before been announced, then paying for it would be more acceptable

The expansion just contains stuff that was meant to come as normal updates, and before the end of 2012, and there is NOTHING new on the horizon / planned, showing not much of a future for the game.

If people quit playing SWTOR when there was stuff coming, then they will most definately quit now when there is NOTHING.

 

I dont understand your crusade against this game. You clearly don't even play it anymore (neither do i) but why are you so judgemental about where others want to spend their cash? let players decide for themselves value of their hard earned money.

I think everybody heard you first time. EA is coning everyone. Trust me we hear you loud and clear. Time to move on?

Originally posted by Zalmon

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by birdycephon

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by Skuz

Originally posted by karmath
When you buy this, keep in mind you are hurting the MMO genre more than you realise.

That smacks of "you aren't listening to me so you are wrong".

Are you some kind of qualified clairvoyant? 

LOL. The drama queens on this site never cease to amaze me. 

They charving for an expansion?!

Of all the worst things that could happen, this is THE WORST POSSIBLE THING!!!

That is not the point.

If the expansion had new stuff never before been announced, then paying for it would be more acceptable

The expansion just contains stuff that was meant to come as normal updates, and before the end of 2012, and there is NOTHING new on the horizon / planned, showing not much of a future for the game.

If people quit playing SWTOR when there was stuff coming, then they will most definately quit now when there is NOTHING.

 

I dont understand your crusade against this game. You clearly don't even play it anymore (neither do i) but why are you so judgemental about where others want to spend their cash? let players decide for themselves value of their hard earned money.

I think everybody heard you first time. EA is coning everyone. Trust me we hear you loud and clear. Time to move on?

There is no crusade to the game. I post, people respond, I reply, rinse and repeat.

Originally posted by pioneer08

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by birdycephon

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by Skuz

Originally posted by karmath
When you buy this, keep in mind you are hurting the MMO genre more than you realise.

That smacks of "you aren't listening to me so you are wrong".

Are you some kind of qualified clairvoyant? 

LOL. The drama queens on this site never cease to amaze me. 

They charving for an expansion?!

Of all the worst things that could happen, this is THE WORST POSSIBLE THING!!!

That is not the point.

If the expansion had new stuff never before been announced, then paying for it would be more acceptable

The expansion just contains stuff that was meant to come as normal updates, and before the end of 2012, and there is NOTHING new on the horizon / planned, showing not much of a future for the game.

If people quit playing SWTOR when there was stuff coming, then they will most definately quit now when there is NOTHING.

 

 

[mod edit]

That is the Super Secret Space Project that the have been banging on for months too, so not exactly new

Originally posted by pioneer08

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by birdycephon

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by catlana

Originally posted by BigAndShiny

"SW:TOR will never get any meaningful content updates"

SW:TOR gets expnsion. 

"It's not a proper expansion"

WAY TO CHANGE THE F****** parameters of the argument, guys.

I did lol at this. The expansion is ten dollars. I spend more than that on coffee every day. If ten dollars breaks you, you need a new job. I am hopeful that this expansion adds quite a few hours of content so I will pick this up.

$10 is not the problem - 1) The content was intended to be free, and 2) It was stated to be in game before the end of 2012.

Therefore by the time it gets in about June 2012, you would have spent about $90 more on sub fees, plus now this = $100, with little to no other content in the meantime.

"Other new features and content was also teased for the online-only game including a new HK-51 android companion, a new planet called Makeb, new space missions, flashpoints and a level cap; raise all of which will be implemented before the end of 2012."

If the stuff was brand new, then it would be only $10, and would have been an expansion, whilst makeb etc was added on top.

If $10 is OK for you then maybe you could send EA $10 for the Heroic space missions  and some of the other stuff too, that has already been added. If it is not OK for you, then maybe you see the point.

I dont see how people think that giving this stuff away will at all benefit the developer.

Would you still want the expansion for free if they came out and said that they would have to shut down their serves because they just cant sustain them anymore because they are not getting enouh revenue?

I mean, cmon. How much of a hint do you need?

I personally dont want the servers to go down, Im gladly paying for the expansion.

They are not giving it away for free, you are paying $15 per month for it.

It is the same stuff they have been banging on about all year that was going to be added for free, within your $15

If it was new stuff it would be worth paying for, as they have shown they have been hard at work on the game and commited to its future. Instead they repackage up already written content and sell it as an expansion.

They are only charging for this, to get as much money to pay back what they paid to create the game, and then servers will be shut down regardless. They are making SWTOR players pay for their mistakes.

They are turning SWTOR into the biggest con of MMO gaming.

 

[mod edit]

Not WRONG at all

EA said that Makeb would be a content update and not an expansion, but then they change their minds. This is not an expansion as far as I am concerned, unless it had new stuff. My comments about there being no expansion was based on the fact that Makeb would not be it, due to EA lies.

In link in previous post they said there would be a level cap, and I never said there would not be a level cap, so don't know what you are raving about there

They said no more class story, and there is not. Makeb will just contain a bunch of new side quests.

Originally posted by pioneer08

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by pioneer08

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by birdycephon

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by Skuz

Originally posted by karmath
When you buy this, keep in mind you are hurting the MMO genre more than you realise.

That smacks of "you aren't listening to me so you are wrong".

Are you some kind of qualified clairvoyant? 

LOL. The drama queens on this site never cease to amaze me. 

They charving for an expansion?!

Of all the worst things that could happen, this is THE WORST POSSIBLE THING!!!

That is not the point.

If the expansion had new stuff never before been announced, then paying for it would be more acceptable

The expansion just contains stuff that was meant to come as normal updates, and before the end of 2012, and there is NOTHING new on the horizon / planned, showing not much of a future for the game.

If people quit playing SWTOR when there was stuff coming, then they will most definately quit now when there is NOTHING.

 

 

[mod edit]

That is the Super Secret Space Project that the have been banging on for months too, so not exactly new

 

[mod edit]

No, but do about SWTOR