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  Ridelynn

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12/16/12 10:26:07 PM#21


Originally posted by WonderweissM

Originally posted by Ridelynn  

Originally posted by WonderweissM

Originally posted by Ridelynn  

Originally posted by RogueJD For your OS - go Windows 7 OEM (It's like a builder's version of Windows - only $100).  Windows 8 isn't better or worse - just ... diferent.   I'm not spun-up on the compatibility of Windows 8, but Windows 7 isn't goign anywhere.  8 isn't a replacment, just a different form of an OS.
  2 things to consider: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/buy Windows 8 Pro Upgrade, right now, is $40 US (digital download - DVD is $70, valid only until Jan 31). It is an upgrade edition, so you'd need a copy of an older qualifying OS to legally use it, but it's a less expensive avenue for right now. Yes, it's Windows 8, but unless you can't qualify or until this deal expires, I don't see any reason to spend more money to run Windows 7. The Metro/start page/touch stuff can be bypassed, and once you've done that, it's essentially Windows 7 with DX11.1 and really fast startup times. Not trying to argue that Windows 8 or 7 is better, just throwing this out there as an option. When I normally do builds, I have traditionally used OEM editions myself. This is just a limited-time promotional type thing that you may be able to take advantage of.
So I can use that when I build the computer? Or do I need windows 8 to upgrade it? (Sorry if that is a stupid question).
  What you can do, and this is stretching the legality of it: Download and run the assistant on a computer that qualifies now (basically any computer running Windows from XP through 7). You will be give then option to install Windows 8 on that computer (don't), or Install by Creating Media (which lets you save it to an ISO to burn to a DVD, or copy it to a thumb drive), which is the option you choose. Make sure to save/copy/print out your product key that you get when you do the purchase. Either burn the ISO, or write the installation files to a thumb drive, however Install by Creating Media prompts you. It will get the files for both 32 and 64-bit installs (and you will be asked when you install - you want 64 bit for the most part). You can then use that to install on your new computer, with your product key that you wrote down earlier. http://pcsupport.about.com/od/windows-8/a/clean-install-windows-8-upgrade.htm  
Wow thats quite smart. So on the computer I am building (No OS) I can use that CD to download the OS?

 


You need a computer running Windows XP/Vista/7 to download 8 on for this offer. It can be either your new PC (if you install it on there first), or any old PC. If you don't a copy of Windows XP/Vista/7 to install, or you have no other computer to download it with, you can pay the bit of extra money to get the DVD mailed to you. This part is only to run the Upgrade Assistant Program, allow it to process your payment information, and initiate the download of Windows 8 (or mail the DVD to you).

Once you have downloaded Windows 8 and either created a DVD or copied it to a thumb drive, or received the DVD in the mail - yes, you can use that to install Windows 8 on a new PC with no other OS on it.

  WonderweissM

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OP  12/16/12 10:26:37 PM#22

Ok Thanks for your guys' input. Check out this new build.

I Changed some things like the motherboard, processor, and some other things.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/sRHV

If you have the time, can you help me make sure everything is compatible, and please put in your input.

Edit: Also, no OS because Im going to do that Windows 8 thing.

  f0dell54

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Sanity....
It's for the weak.

12/16/12 10:27:15 PM#23
  WonderweissM

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OP  12/16/12 10:32:08 PM#24

Ridelynn, is http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadc70.asp?id=676725&price=%24999 a good deal?

Edit: Well this is the cheaper version: http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadc70.asp?id=676721&price=%24799

  Ridelynn

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12/16/12 10:42:32 PM#25


Originally posted by WonderweissM
Ridelynn, is http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadc70.asp?id=676725&price=%24999 a good deal?

I'm hardly the expert on "Best Deal" on this site: I tend to take the attitude that if you can afford it, and your happy with it, then it was a great deal, even if someone else can get nearly the same thing for $10 less.

As far as this particular build:
Zambezi FX8 is probably not the CPU you would pick if you had to. Zambezi was a very budget-minded CPU, and has been improved upon a good deal with Vishera. That, and the 8-core CPU wasn't that good of a deal by itself, the 4-core Zambezi was the sweet spot (with Vishera being either 4 or 6 cores, depending on the deal of the day). And even then, really you only consider AMD CPU's in budget builds - those trying to come in less than $1,000 - which this computer does (barely) - and more around the $700-$800 range.

Now maybe they are just trying to get rid of older CPU's in a budget package, but if I were building a new PC today, I wouldn't consider Zambezi from AMD.

That - and the generic 7,200 RPM drive. On a severe budget, yeah, you take what you can get. On a $1,000 budget, you have enough wiggle room to where you could skimp a bit on the GPU to upgrade to an SSD (and wither that is worth it or not is up to you - some people it is, others wouldn't even consider it - personally, I will not even quote a PC without an SSD any more).

The computer itself isn't bad, it has a quality power supply, and a newer-generation GPU. But for the same price, if your willing to build it yourself, you could probably get an Intel CPU with the same "other components" for maybe even a bit cheaper, or get something higher quality (Vishera CPU) for a bit cheaper (probably around $750), or with an SSD in the mix.

*EDIT*
For your second link - $799 - that does go to a 4-core Vishera, with basically the same "everything else" (swapping a nV650 for a 7750). I'd call this entry level for serious gaming, but I think it would be a better deal than the $999 8-core Zambezi.

Yeah, you could build this one cheaper yourself, but not by a whole lot. The Vishera makes a lot more sense, and that price makes a lot more sense. The 650 roughly on par with the 7750, whichever is better probably depends more on which game you happen to be playing than anything to do with differences in the cards, and both are good enough for mid-level gaming, and will play most everything in 1080p (with some options turned down).

  WonderweissM

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OP  12/16/12 10:46:39 PM#26
Originally posted by Ridelynn

 


Originally posted by WonderweissM
Ridelynn, is http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadc70.asp?id=676725&price=%24999 a good deal?

 

I'm hardly the expert on "Best Deal" on this site: I tend to take the attitude that if you can afford it, and your happy with it, then it was a great deal, even if someone else can get nearly the same thing for $10 less.

As far as this particular build:
Zambezi FX8 is probably not the CPU you would pick if you had to. Zambezi was a very budget-minded CPU, and has been improved upon a good deal with Vishera. That, and the 8-core CPU wasn't that good of a deal by itself, the 4-core Zambezi was the sweet spot (with Vishera being either 4 or 6 cores, depending on the deal of the day). And even then, really you only consider AMD CPU's in budget builds - those trying to come in less than $1,000 - which this computer does (barely) - and more around the $700-$800 range.

Now maybe they are just trying to get rid of older CPU's in a budget package, but if I were building a new PC today, I wouldn't consider Zambezi from AMD.

That - and the generic 7,200 RPM drive. On a severe budget, yeah, you take what you can get. On a $1,000 budget, you have enough wiggle room to where you could skimp a bit on the GPU to upgrade to an SSD (and wither that is worth it or not is up to you - some people it is, others wouldn't even consider it - personally, I will not even quote a PC without an SSD any more).

The computer itself isn't bad, it has a quality power supply, and a newer-generation GPU. But for the same price, if your willing to build it yourself, you could probably get an Intel CPU with the same "other components" for maybe even a bit cheaper, or get something higher quality (Vishera CPU) for a bit cheaper (probably around $750), or with an SSD in the mix.

How about the build I posted?

  Quizzical

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12/16/12 10:47:00 PM#27

You should be warned that NCIX is based in Canada, which means that if you're in the US, shipping might be more than you expect.  They have a US site, but they still ship from Canada.  That's not to say that you shouldn't buy from them, but only that you should make sure you check the shipping costs, as a $5 cheaper base price plus $15 extra in shipping isn't a better deal.

The keyboard you've picked is PS/2 and not the modern USB.  Most motherboards still come with a PS/2 port, including both of the ones that you've linked.  But they both only come with one PS/2 port, so if you have some other PS/2 device that you want to plug in, it could be trouble.  It's probably not an issue for you, but you should be aware of it.

The NZXT case that you linked before has a maximum video card clearance of about 9" if you have a hard drive.  More than a few video cards are longer than that.

I'd go with a Core i5-3570K rather than a Core i7-3770 on your budget.  For gaming purposes, the only difference between them that matters is the price tag.  And perhaps that the 3570K is overclockable, though without an aftermarket cooler, overclocking would be a bad idea.

Corsair GS power supplies are all right, but really not that good.  For $60 including shipping, you could justify it, and it's not one of the awful power supplies that would be a danger to your system.  I don't see any really great deals on a power supply at the moment, but if you want to save some money on the case as compared to the HAF 922, you could try this combo deal:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1162908

You don't really need 16 GB of system memory.  Even 8 GB is basically doubling what you actually need today for futureproofing reasons.  On a large enough budget, sure, you get 16 GB.  But don't feel like you need to.

You're not getting a solid state drive, which is something that's really nice to have if you can fit it in your budget.  I'd certainly regard an SSD as a higher priority than 16 GB of system memory.

  Ridelynn

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12/16/12 10:48:19 PM#28


Originally posted by WonderweissM

Originally posted by Ridelynn  

Originally posted by WonderweissM Ridelynn, is http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadc70.asp?id=676725&price=%24999 a good deal?
  I'm hardly the expert on "Best Deal" on this site: I tend to take the attitude that if you can afford it, and your happy with it, then it was a great deal, even if someone else can get nearly the same thing for $10 less. As far as this particular build: Zambezi FX8 is probably not the CPU you would pick if you had to. Zambezi was a very budget-minded CPU, and has been improved upon a good deal with Vishera. That, and the 8-core CPU wasn't that good of a deal by itself, the 4-core Zambezi was the sweet spot (with Vishera being either 4 or 6 cores, depending on the deal of the day). And even then, really you only consider AMD CPU's in budget builds - those trying to come in less than $1,000 - which this computer does (barely) - and more around the $700-$800 range. Now maybe they are just trying to get rid of older CPU's in a budget package, but if I were building a new PC today, I wouldn't consider Zambezi from AMD. That - and the generic 7,200 RPM drive. On a severe budget, yeah, you take what you can get. On a $1,000 budget, you have enough wiggle room to where you could skimp a bit on the GPU to upgrade to an SSD (and wither that is worth it or not is up to you - some people it is, others wouldn't even consider it - personally, I will not even quote a PC without an SSD any more). The computer itself isn't bad, it has a quality power supply, and a newer-generation GPU. But for the same price, if your willing to build it yourself, you could probably get an Intel CPU with the same "other components" for maybe even a bit cheaper, or get something higher quality (Vishera CPU) for a bit cheaper (probably around $750), or with an SSD in the mix.
How about the build I posted?

edited my former post

  WonderweissM

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OP  12/16/12 10:52:21 PM#29
Originally posted by Ridelynn

 


Originally posted by WonderweissM

Originally posted by Ridelynn  

Originally posted by WonderweissM Ridelynn, is http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadc70.asp?id=676725&price=%24999 a good deal?
  I'm hardly the expert on "Best Deal" on this site: I tend to take the attitude that if you can afford it, and your happy with it, then it was a great deal, even if someone else can get nearly the same thing for $10 less. As far as this particular build: Zambezi FX8 is probably not the CPU you would pick if you had to. Zambezi was a very budget-minded CPU, and has been improved upon a good deal with Vishera. That, and the 8-core CPU wasn't that good of a deal by itself, the 4-core Zambezi was the sweet spot (with Vishera being either 4 or 6 cores, depending on the deal of the day). And even then, really you only consider AMD CPU's in budget builds - those trying to come in less than $1,000 - which this computer does (barely) - and more around the $700-$800 range. Now maybe they are just trying to get rid of older CPU's in a budget package, but if I were building a new PC today, I wouldn't consider Zambezi from AMD. That - and the generic 7,200 RPM drive. On a severe budget, yeah, you take what you can get. On a $1,000 budget, you have enough wiggle room to where you could skimp a bit on the GPU to upgrade to an SSD (and wither that is worth it or not is up to you - some people it is, others wouldn't even consider it - personally, I will not even quote a PC without an SSD any more). The computer itself isn't bad, it has a quality power supply, and a newer-generation GPU. But for the same price, if your willing to build it yourself, you could probably get an Intel CPU with the same "other components" for maybe even a bit cheaper, or get something higher quality (Vishera CPU) for a bit cheaper (probably around $750), or with an SSD in the mix.
How about the build I posted?

 

edited my former post

I meant this build: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/sRHV, but now I have to consider what Quizzical said.

  WonderweissM

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OP  12/16/12 10:54:13 PM#30
Originally posted by Quizzical

You should be warned that NCIX is based in Canada, which means that if you're in the US, shipping might be more than you expect.  They have a US site, but they still ship from Canada.  That's not to say that you shouldn't buy from them, but only that you should make sure you check the shipping costs, as a $5 cheaper base price plus $15 extra in shipping isn't a better deal.

The keyboard you've picked is PS/2 and not the modern USB.  Most motherboards still come with a PS/2 port, including both of the ones that you've linked.  But they both only come with one PS/2 port, so if you have some other PS/2 device that you want to plug in, it could be trouble.  It's probably not an issue for you, but you should be aware of it.

The NZXT case that you linked before has a maximum video card clearance of about 9" if you have a hard drive.  More than a few video cards are longer than that.

I'd go with a Core i5-3570K rather than a Core i7-3770 on your budget.  For gaming purposes, the only difference between them that matters is the price tag.  And perhaps that the 3570K is overclockable, though without an aftermarket cooler, overclocking would be a bad idea.

Corsair GS power supplies are all right, but really not that good.  For $60 including shipping, you could justify it, and it's not one of the awful power supplies that would be a danger to your system.  I don't see any really great deals on a power supply at the moment, but if you want to save some money on the case as compared to the HAF 922, you could try this combo deal:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1162908

You don't really need 16 GB of system memory.  Even 8 GB is basically doubling what you actually need today for futureproofing reasons.  On a large enough budget, sure, you get 16 GB.  But don't feel like you need to.

You're not getting a solid state drive, which is something that's really nice to have if you can fit it in your budget.  I'd certainly regard an SSD as a higher priority than 16 GB of system memory.

According to their website, I am buying froNXIC US, which is free shipping ( Correct me if I am wrong). and I think you are looking at the build I messaged you. Look at this build: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/sRHV

Edit: I just read your post more closely, I will look at that deal and change to a SSD.

  Aori

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12/16/12 11:05:48 PM#31

I would personally change your GPU to http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125418

IMO best price/performance card for sale right now. 

Also yes get an SSD, its a night and day kind of upgrade. Once you have one you'll never rely on an HDD(except for storage) again.

  WonderweissM

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OP  12/16/12 11:09:50 PM#32
Originally posted by Aori

I would personally change your GPU to http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125418

IMO best price/performance card for sale right now. 

Also yes get an SSD, its a night and day kind of upgrade. Once you have one you'll never rely on an HDD(except for storage) again.

It is better than http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-video-card-02gp42663kr ?

  Aori

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12/16/12 11:20:29 PM#33
Originally posted by WonderweissM
Originally posted by Aori

I would personally change your GPU to http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125418

IMO best price/performance card for sale right now. 

Also yes get an SSD, its a night and day kind of upgrade. Once you have one you'll never rely on an HDD(except for storage) again.

It is better than http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-video-card-02gp42663kr ?

Problem 1, the nvidia card is out of stock.

Problem 2, which game bundle do you want?

Now that 660 is decent and has a few games it will beat the 7870 in, mostly blizzard/borderlands 2 and a couple other games. However with latest drivers the difference is dismal.

Also if you're at all into OCing 7870 that i link usually clocks very well, while the 660 haven't had much luck. I don't know how well the evga signature series handles though.

You can't really lose going with red or green.. unless you're pushing beyond 1080p, thats a whole new ballgame.

  WonderweissM

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OP  12/16/12 11:25:44 PM#34
Originally posted by Aori
Originally posted by WonderweissM
Originally posted by Aori

I would personally change your GPU to http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125418

IMO best price/performance card for sale right now. 

Also yes get an SSD, its a night and day kind of upgrade. Once you have one you'll never rely on an HDD(except for storage) again.

It is better than http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-video-card-02gp42663kr ?

Problem 1, the nvidia card is out of stock.

Problem 2, which game bundle do you want?

Now that 660 is decent and has a few games it will beat the 7870 in, mostly blizzard/borderlands 2 and a couple other games. However with latest drivers the difference is dismal.

Also if you're at all into OCing 7870 that i link usually clocks very well, while the 660 haven't had much luck. I don't know how well the evga signature series handles though.

You can't really lose going with red or green.. unless you're pushing beyond 1080p, thats a whole new ballgame.

What do you mean by game bundle. And the card you posted is in stock on newegg.

  Quizzical

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12/16/12 11:38:44 PM#35

A Radeon HD 7870 is perhaps a little faster than a GeForce GTX 660 on average, but it's close.  It's well within the margin that fans of either company could make a case for their side's card being better without having to be completely stupid.

One thing that you might not realize off hand is that a GeForce GTX 660 mismatches the memory channels, so even though it has 2 GB of video memory, you'll lose a lot of memory bandwidth if you use more than 1.5 GB.  Thus, it's probably better to think of it as a 1.5 GB card with the extra 0.5 GB attached for reasons of marketing rather than engineering.  That said, unless you're going for very high resolutions, the difference between 1.5 GB and 2 GB doesn't necessarily matter.

  Markuth

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12/16/12 11:39:31 PM#36

I recently built a PC over the black Friday sale to replace one I built back in 06. I bought all parts from Newegg and Micro Center. Note that the the parts and prices would have changed now.

From Newegg:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130770 (Price hasn't changed)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233 (Bought it for $5 less)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231314 (Bought it for $25)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204 (Price hasn't changed)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236244 ($80)

From Micro Center:

http://www.microcenter.com/product/388577/Core_i5_3570K_34GHz_LGA_1155_Processor (Same Price)

Bundled it with the MB below that dropped the MB's price to $65

http://www.microcenter.com/product/387554/Z77_Extreme4_LGA_1155_Z77_ATX_Intel_Motherboard

http://www.microcenter.com/product/361181/High_Current_Gamer_750W_Gamer_Power_Supply_HCG-750 ($74)

Plus a Windows7 for $100 and 2 200mm fans $20 each.

It all added up to around $800 with tax, s&h. Hope this helps.

From what I see in your build, since you are going with the same processor is a micro center close to you at all?

  rhavok

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12/16/12 11:42:04 PM#37
Quizzical deserves a life-time achievement award for massive amounts help he has provide countless users on this subject.  Just thought I would chime in and say you are the man.
  WonderweissM

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OP  12/16/12 11:47:51 PM#38

Alright, here is my computer so far (Without a monitor, keyboard, and mouse):

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/sSeQ

Case and Power Supply:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1162908&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10446076&PID=4176333&SID=1mvawjbwzy1o5

I will also be buying windows 8.

  WonderweissM

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OP  12/16/12 11:48:28 PM#39
Originally posted by rhavok
Quizzical deserves a life-time achievement award for massive amounts help he has provide countless users on this subject.  Just thought I would chime in and say you are the man.

I agree :D

  Souldrainer

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12/16/12 11:51:37 PM#40
Originally posted by WonderweissM

Like the Title says, I am buying a new gaming desktop after christmas. My question is what are some good websites to buy computers (Like the ones they make for you)? I honestly do not want to buy the parts myself and make it because I do not want to mess anything. I have anywhere from 800-1,100$ to spend. Also, if it helps, I live in the U.S.

 

Thanks,

Wonderweiss

 

You pretty much have to build your own unles you want to throw 60% or more of the value in the trash can, and have a bunch of bloatware.

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