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  Burning25

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Joined: 12/14/12
Posts: 24

12/16/12 9:51:54 AM#21
Uh we have target callers and focus fire all the time. Any siege leader worth a grain of salt will be calling targets. Just because you can't tab target doesn't mean you cannot focus fire. If someone isn't calling targets in a darkfall group prepare to lose every fight.

It's less about player names like your traditional tab target mmo and more about positioning and landscape. A generic, simplified example would be "target the dwarf who is overextending on the left." Even in massive sieges targets are called. It just takes more skill, positioning awareness and quick reactions rather than just pushing an assist button.
  Gdemami

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12/16/12 9:55:13 AM#22


First person combat view takes huge element of RPG away imo but I guess some people like it...never understood why tho, it feels just like a shooter and melee combat is ridiculous.

  Jupsto

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12/16/12 10:04:27 AM#23
Originally posted by Yalexy

there's no way for actual focus-fire, etc

Care to explain this? Cant see any basis for this opinion. darkfall pvp was all about focus firing.

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  gabbel

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12/16/12 10:05:08 AM#24

Focus fire in darkfall, happens at most sieges at least.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfsGWrHjitE&feature=player_detailpage&list=UUo60CdFsc9dGl67qkDLhGGw#t=300s

cant find a longer vid atm.

  Yalexy

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Posts: 1020

 
OP  12/16/12 10:07:21 AM#25


Originally posted by Consensus

Originally posted by Yalexy there's no way for actual focus-fire, etc
Care to explain this? Cant see any basis for this opinion. darkfall pvp was all about focus firing.

call playername -> have all allies target said player -> boom!

In Darkfall this is not possible, especially when you look at 50 players infront of you who look all the same.

  Yalexy

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OP  12/16/12 10:08:44 AM#26


Originally posted by gabbel
Focus fire in darkfall, happens at most sieges at least.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfsGWrHjitE&feature=player_detailpage&list=UUo60CdFsc9dGl67qkDLhGGw#t=300s

cant find a longer vid atm.


Only possible, when there's single targets. Now try picking single players out of a group.

  gekido

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Joined: 2/04/04
Posts: 52

12/16/12 10:08:48 AM#27
Originally posted by Gdemami


First person combat view takes huge element of RPG away imo but I guess some people like it...never understood why tho, it feels just like a shooter and melee combat is ridiculous.

What elements does it take away?  Also, consider in the case of darkfall there is a third person view so the asthetic element is still there.

In a traditional mmo, you automatically acquire your target and hit some buttons.

In darkfall, you manually look at your target and hit some buttons.

If I am tabbing to my target, I am also looking at them right?

What is so fundamentally different?

  Vorthanion

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Joined: 7/02/11
Posts: 1909

12/16/12 10:09:13 AM#28
Originally posted by RealPvPisFPS

Why should that be a deal breaker? Maybe it's a deal breaker for the people who rely on scripting to PvP but for the honest players it will force you to actually use your skill on the keyboard and mouse instead of your character's skill. Sounds like these guys built a solid game gonna have to check it out. This is the way PvP should be.

 

Oh and for the scriptors out there you can always try aimbot or the invincible hacks, heh.

You're being facetious right?  I've never heard so much malarkey in my life.  First person shooter gameplay is a valid play style, just as turn based and more tactical tab targeting are valid play styles.  How dare you imply that your way is the only right way!  Honest players, yeah....right.

  gekido

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Posts: 52

12/16/12 10:09:48 AM#29
Originally posted by Yalexy

 


Originally posted by gabbel
Focus fire in darkfall, happens at most sieges at least.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfsGWrHjitE&feature=player_detailpage&list=UUo60CdFsc9dGl67qkDLhGGw#t=300s

cant find a longer vid atm.


 

Only possible, when there's single targets. Now try picking single players out of a group.

So the fireball that your group fires should pass through everyone else and hit that single person?

Your complaint is invalid.

  BuniontToes

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Joined: 3/10/10
Posts: 544

12/16/12 10:09:59 AM#30
Originally posted by Yalexy

 


Originally posted by gabbel
Focus fire in darkfall, happens at most sieges at least.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfsGWrHjitE&feature=player_detailpage&list=UUo60CdFsc9dGl67qkDLhGGw#t=300s

cant find a longer vid atm.


 

Only possible, when there's single targets. Now try picking single players out of a group.

Focus fire happens all the time.  Whatever you are smoking you might want to cut down.

  gabbel

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12/16/12 10:10:19 AM#31
Originally posted by Yalexy

 


Originally posted by gabbel
Focus fire in darkfall, happens at most sieges at least.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfsGWrHjitE&feature=player_detailpage&list=UUo60CdFsc9dGl67qkDLhGGw#t=300s

cant find a longer vid atm.


 

Only possible, when there's single targets. Now try picking single players out of a group.

 

Oh yeah ?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R92k3kHMM8I&feature=share&list=UUWAV3vVfFIAWxGfzfHBxuJA

 

Aoe Focus.

 

  Yalexy

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Joined: 12/17/10
Posts: 1020

 
OP  12/16/12 10:12:56 AM#32

The problem I see with Darkfalls FPS-gameplay is, that it becomes a zergfest in large battles, and that's quiet the opposite of tactical precision warfare.

  corpusc

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12/16/12 10:12:59 AM#33
Originally posted by Vorthanion
Originally posted by RealPvPisFPS

 

 First person shooter gameplay is a valid play style, just as turn based and more tactical tab targeting are valid play styles. 

 

look at the name of the guy you are talking to.   8)

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i don't expect to like Darkfall, altho i may like it MORE than other MMOs. i know it is gonna have a very frustrating level of grind to it, even if its significantly less than most. waiting for a pure FAST action virtual world. dice rolling & character levels (even "skills") IN COMBAT should have never carried over from pencil & paper to a computer that can reasonably model 3D spaces and objects

  Yalexy

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Joined: 12/17/10
Posts: 1020

 
OP  12/16/12 10:14:45 AM#34


Originally posted by gabbel

Originally posted by Yalexy  

Originally posted by gabbel Focus fire in darkfall, happens at most sieges at least.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfsGWrHjitE&feature=player_detailpage&list=UUo60CdFsc9dGl67qkDLhGGw#t=300s cant find a longer vid atm.
  Only possible, when there's single targets. Now try picking single players out of a group.
 

Oh yeah ?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R92k3kHMM8I&feature=share&list=UUWAV3vVfFIAWxGfzfHBxuJA

 

Aoe Focus.

 


This is exactly what I don't want to see. It is a horrible zergfest.

  gabbel

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Joined: 6/17/10
Posts: 21

12/16/12 10:16:31 AM#35
Originally posted by Yalexy

 


Originally posted by gabbel

Originally posted by Yalexy  

Originally posted by gabbel Focus fire in darkfall, happens at most sieges at least.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfsGWrHjitE&feature=player_detailpage&list=UUo60CdFsc9dGl67qkDLhGGw#t=300s cant find a longer vid atm.
  Only possible, when there's single targets. Now try picking single players out of a group.
 

 

Oh yeah ?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R92k3kHMM8I&feature=share&list=UUWAV3vVfFIAWxGfzfHBxuJA

 

Aoe Focus.

 


 

This is exactly what I don't want to see. It is a horrible zergfest.

Its a siege ???

  BuniontToes

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Joined: 3/10/10
Posts: 544

12/16/12 10:18:05 AM#36
Originally posted by Yalexy

 


Originally posted by gabbel

Originally posted by Yalexy  

Originally posted by gabbel Focus fire in darkfall, happens at most sieges at least.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfsGWrHjitE&feature=player_detailpage&list=UUo60CdFsc9dGl67qkDLhGGw#t=300s cant find a longer vid atm.
  Only possible, when there's single targets. Now try picking single players out of a group.
 

 

Oh yeah ?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R92k3kHMM8I&feature=share&list=UUWAV3vVfFIAWxGfzfHBxuJA

 

Aoe Focus.

 


 

This is exactly what I don't want to see. It is a horrible zergfest.

Bad clans  zerg.  Organized ones do not.

That was a problem with "elite" players who thought they couldd leeroy jenkins everything.   I wouldd tend to  have a group of "heavy" which engage the enemy while other gorups foruc fire the back racks or any stragglers.  There is a lot of strategy when good commanders lead.

  MMO_Fan

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Joined: 9/08/07
Posts: 167

12/16/12 10:18:50 AM#37
Originally posted by gekido
Originally posted by Yalexy

 


Originally posted by gabbel
Focus fire in darkfall, happens at most sieges at least.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfsGWrHjitE&feature=player_detailpage&list=UUo60CdFsc9dGl67qkDLhGGw#t=300s

cant find a longer vid atm.


 

Only possible, when there's single targets. Now try picking single players out of a group.

So the fireball that your group fires should pass through everyone else and hit that single person?

Your complaint is invalid.

Some people will have challenges when collision detection, line-of-sight, elevation, the terrain and nearby objects affect their 'pvp'.

 

 

  Burning25

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Joined: 12/14/12
Posts: 24

12/16/12 10:19:10 AM#38
Originally posted by Yalexy


Originally posted by gabbel
Focus fire in darkfall, happens at most sieges at least.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfsGWrHjitE&feature=player_detailpage&list=UUo60CdFsc9dGl67qkDLhGGw#t=300s

cant find a longer vid atm.


Only possible, when there's single targets. Now try picking single players out of a group.

 

It is entirely possible, did you read my post? We focus fire in large sieges all the time. And by large sieges we have been in 100 vs 100 before and we still call shots. Go back and read my post it has a description of how we do it.
  BuniontToes

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12/16/12 10:19:38 AM#39
Also,  what you fail to realize is that this is  an AOE on a choke point.  The problem is that you had some idiots who did not push together when the AOE was finished.
  BuniontToes

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Posts: 544

12/16/12 10:23:12 AM#40
Originally posted by gekido
Originally posted by Yalexy

 


Originally posted by gabbel
Focus fire in darkfall, happens at most sieges at least.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfsGWrHjitE&feature=player_detailpage&list=UUo60CdFsc9dGl67qkDLhGGw#t=300s

cant find a longer vid atm.


 

Only possible, when there's single targets. Now try picking single players out of a group.

So the fireball that your group fires should pass through everyone else and hit that single person?

Your complaint is invalid.

Wow.  Just wow.

 

This game is clearly not for you.  If you can't handle collicion detection just don't even post here. 

Then you talk about "recision tactical warfare"  *facepalm*

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