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  Aragon100

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OP  12/15/12 11:32:26 AM#41
Originally posted by Asm0deus
Originally posted by raapnaap
Originally posted by DarthRaiden
just damage control for their wipe decision..

 

The wipe was needed. As usual, they communicated poorly on it, but any real veteran agrees, the wipe would create a fresh start and make the playing field equal for new players. No need for damage control.

 

As for name stealing... How could anyone defend people stealing well known player names? It is a complete dick move and I'm happy Aventurine returns these names to their real owners.

This happens so often in games even carebears don't usaully whine that a name they wanted to use is taken.... I thought this game was "hardcore" and that dick moves like this was something you are suppose to expect and get over or just go play hello kitty online?

 

 

Heh anyhoot I am sure the whiner that got his name back is happy, thing is though this kind of shows us new players should not expect equitable treatment compared to older vets.

LOL no it's not hardcore at all, just look at the carebears in this thead defending Aventurines carebear move.

Was the same in DF1 when the carebear Zerg threatened to leave cause they didnt have the city after server up. Aventurine then changed their own siege rules to please the whining carebears. =)

There is different rules for different players.

  Aragon100

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OP  12/15/12 11:34:26 AM#42
Originally posted by Asm0deus
Originally posted by snapfusion
Originally posted by Asm0deus
Originally posted by raapnaap
Originally posted by DarthRaiden
just damage control for their wipe decision..

 

The wipe was needed. As usual, they communicated poorly on it, but any real veteran agrees, the wipe would create a fresh start and make the playing field equal for new players. No need for damage control.

 

As for name stealing... How could anyone defend people stealing well known player names? It is a complete dick move and I'm happy Aventurine returns these names to their real owners.

This happens os often in games even carebnears don't usaully whine that a name they wanted to use is taken.... I thought this game was "hardcore" and that dick moves like this was something you are suppose to expect and get over or just go play hello kitty online?

 

 

Heh anyhoot I am sure the whiner that got his name back is happy, thing is though this kind of shows us new players should not expect equitable treatment compared to older vets.

Wow just wow, since when should hardcore and being a "dick" be intertwined.  Is that now one of the requirements for playing a "hardcore" computer game, being a dick?  Dude Im worried about the way your mind is working through this senario.

Its actually a  legit question while being a bit sarcastic, as when I have, in the past questioned dick moves in such game, I have been told this very thing and generally this is the normal response.  So it's ok to use dick moves towards a newb if your a vet but not the other way around ?

Aye, pretty much this. Aventurine change their rules to please some.

  Aragon100

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OP  12/15/12 11:36:05 AM#43
Originally posted by Wizardry

Well how did they give him his name back without taking it away from another player?That in itself would be wrong.

The common sense move would be to tell that player to go to a different server where he can use his old name,IF there is more than one server of course.

They took the name away from the one that "secured it". Then they gave it back to the one that made the carebear whining thread.

  Badaboom

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12/15/12 11:36:21 AM#44
This is not a carebear/hardcore issue Aragon. 
  Aragon100

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OP  12/15/12 11:38:55 AM#45
Originally posted by Kyleran
Aventurine did something right for a change, not really a common occurrence for them. I applaud this move and would ask the OP to take a hard look at his moral reasoning. There actually can be honor among thieves you know.

Rules set by a game company should be followed 100%.

Answer me Kyleran, do you also agree when Aventurine in DF1 changed their own siege rule and gave a not conquered city manually back to the Zergs cause they threatened to rage quit?

 

  wrekognize

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12/15/12 11:42:37 AM#46
Originally posted by Wizardry

Well how did they give him his name back without taking it away from another player?That in itself would be wrong.

The common sense move would be to tell that player to go to a different server where he can use his old name,IF there is more than one server of course.

 

The name is reserved on both servers.

  Kyleran

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12/15/12 11:46:09 AM#47
Originally posted by Aragon100
Originally posted by Asm0deus
Originally posted by raapnaap
Originally posted by DarthRaiden
just damage control for their wipe decision..

 

The wipe was needed. As usual, they communicated poorly on it, but any real veteran agrees, the wipe would create a fresh start and make the playing field equal for new players. No need for damage control.

 

As for name stealing... How could anyone defend people stealing well known player names? It is a complete dick move and I'm happy Aventurine returns these names to their real owners.

This happens so often in games even carebears don't usaully whine that a name they wanted to use is taken.... I thought this game was "hardcore" and that dick moves like this was something you are suppose to expect and get over or just go play hello kitty online?

 

 

Heh anyhoot I am sure the whiner that got his name back is happy, thing is though this kind of shows us new players should not expect equitable treatment compared to older vets.

LOL no it's not hardcore at all, just look at the carebears in this thead defending Aventurines carebear move.

Was the same in DF1 when the carebear Zerg threatened to leave cause they didnt have the city after server up. Aventurine then changed their own rule to please the whining carebears. =)

Why do you equate doing the "right thing", being honorable or fair a "carebear" move?

It isn't "hardcore" to be a jerk to others, and Aventurine seems to realize this.  They understand they owe their previous customers some benefits for their previous loyalty.

If doing the right thing makes me a Carebear, fine, call me "Harmony Bear".

Damn, now someones going to steal that one from me, I didn't pre-order. 

 

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  GwapoJosh

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12/15/12 11:47:07 AM#48
Originally posted by Aragon100
Originally posted by Badaboom
This is not a carebear/hardcore issue Aragon. 

[mod edit]

How old are you Aragon?

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  thinktank001

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12/15/12 11:53:25 AM#49
Originally posted by Kyleran

Why do you equate doing the "right thing", being honorable or fair a "carebear" move?

It isn't "hardcore" to be a jerk to others, and Aventurine seems to realize this.  They understand they owe their previous customers some benefits for their previous loyalty.

If doing the right thing makes me a Carebear, fine, call me "Harmony Bear".

Damn, now someones going to steal that one from me, I didn't pre-order. 

 

 

It may be the right thing, but it is brought about because of the wrong decision.   DF really should not have offered name reservations in the first place. 

  Dovregubben

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12/15/12 12:03:44 PM#50
Originally posted by Greymoor
The reserve name tool was not created to be a tool for trolls to abuse others. ./thread

This.

Glad he got his name back.

Charax, DF

  Drakynn

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12/15/12 12:42:32 PM#51

I would have sympathy if the name was stolen from some other media such as books,film or other video games,or if it was taken from a famous real person.But the name in question was unique to the individual who made it famous in this game.Aventurine should have no problem identifying who the original owner of the name was in darkfall 1.0 and acted appropriately IMO.

The only reasons I can see for even attmepting to steal the name are to steal the fame associated with it or deny it to the person who mad eit so or for a joke knowing it would be reversed eventually.In all cases I see no fault in restoring it to the originator.Though it should of been handled privately and taking it public is indeed a tad whiney but not as whiney as the OP of this thread.

 

  rusmurf

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12/15/12 12:49:28 PM#52
Celiah is a known gold seller, and AV restored his name....
  dooney

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12/15/12 12:51:03 PM#53

what?

 

that feature was put in place so that vets (you know, those guys who have been supporting the game since release) can secure their old names. 

  Hotjazz

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12/15/12 12:51:50 PM#54
Originally posted by Hairysun

You QQ'n about a person that was QQ'n is pretty funny....

Darkfall, so hardcore even the griefers cry.

 

Haha

  Rednecksith

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12/15/12 1:07:59 PM#55
Originally posted by dooney

what?

 

that feature was put in place so that vets (you know, those guys who have been supporting the game since release) can secure their old names. 

Funny, it doesn't say that anywhere on the forums. Or in the FAQ. Or on their website. It does however say that names will be reserved on a first come, first served basis.

I guess this Celiah Ailey's $15 / month is worth more than someone else's, according to Aventurine. Or in other words, some pigs are more equal than others.

Not a company I'd like to do business with, TBH.

  Burning25

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12/15/12 1:23:15 PM#56
Just for full disclosure, the guy who's name got taken(celiah) was a notorious thief and all around scumbag. He griefed new people starting the game, stole clan banks, the works. He got what was coming to him and av gave into him after all his crying which is b.s.
  Badaboom

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12/15/12 1:28:34 PM#57

Sounds like Xipher also had his name stolen. 

http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=337379

  Burning25

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12/15/12 1:32:14 PM#58
Originally posted by Badaboom
Stealing a well known persons game Name is a dick move. I have no sympathy for the thief.

 

If you have no sympathy for thieves then why defend one? Celiah is a thief and trash.
  dotdotdash

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12/15/12 1:38:39 PM#59

The Darkfall community is the reason Darkfall fails hard.

Aventurine have bred a species of hyper-aggressive, illiterate trolls. The PvP gameplay - and the back handed way in which the vets act - has translated over to the silent majority nicely as well.

What Aventurine need to do is ban the veteran players that have abused their positions within the community. They then need to apply some form of integrity check to the forums. They need to put in place a set of rules that establish and unwavering culture within the game, that encourages positive behaviour.

They should learn from the mistakes of CCP, rather than continuing to make the same (and worse) mistakes consistently.

With such an obstructive community on launch, Unholy Wars is not likely to make any form of splash.

  RoyalPhunk

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12/15/12 1:51:59 PM#60
Originally posted by dotdotdash

The Darkfall community is the reason Darkfall fails hard.

Aventurine have bred a species of hyper-aggressive, illiterate trolls.

Funny I just see it like any other forum including this one,  People who speak their minds, sometimes rudely.

Darkfall needs and requires drama as the players are the content. It depends on rivalries, scamming, backstabbing and  people gettting pissed off. So does EvE and its part of why EvE is so successful.

 

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