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  SuperXero89

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12/17/12 9:54:28 PM#21

If Turbine's Middle Earth was anywhere near as grand in scale as Peter Jackson's, I'd love ot return to LotRO.

 

 

  oakthornn

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12/18/12 10:59:11 AM#22

When I first heard the Hobbit was going to be made into a trilogy, I was excited. The LOTR movies left too much stuff out from the books.. Anyway, before seeing the movie, I "KNEW" Jackson would add quite a bit of filler material, especially to explain Gandulf's disappearance to take care of "some necro" problem.. If Jackson did just one movie, I know it would have been rushed and I don't believe it would have been an epic experience. Well, I personally feel the Hobbit was the best middle earth movie, period. And I've watched the Trilogy 69 times!

It had everything an epic beginning to a trilogy "fantasy" movie should have..  Those of you who read the book 10 times and desperately wanted every scene to be exactly like you imagined it in the book and were butthurt, you really need to chill. The book wasn't that great compared to LOTR.. If Jackson did just one movie based entirely on the book, it would have been a PG rated movie and not have been as epic as the LOTR trilogy..

I'm happy we finally got to see the brown Wizard, enjoyed visiting Rivendale and seeing Galadriel, Elrond, Saramaun, etc. I know that wasn't in the book but it definitely was a nice adding touch to the movie...

If all of you just went to see the movie without ever reading The Hobbit, I'm sure your rants and negative comments would be slim to none... 

That's what I did. I said to myself, at least 30% of the movie will be added fillers so here's what I'm going to do.. I'm gonna pretend I never read the Hobbit, and this version of the Hobbit is just a medieval fantasy movie I hope to enjoy.. And as a medieval fantasy movie, I can honestly say it's the greatest cinematic experience I've ever seen, period.. It had it all, nothing awesome was left out, and if the Hobbit was a trilogy novel, and this was the first book, I'd anxiously pick up the 2nd book like a ninja and begin reading it immediately! That's how good it was..

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  azzamasin

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12/18/12 11:01:33 AM#23
Originally posted by grimal
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

And it made me want to play Lotro again, specifically a sword and staff loremaster

 

Interesting.

Is it as bloated as a lot of the critics are complaining? (the movie, not the game..lol)

Never ever listen to critics.

 

The movie was a modern master piece in ever sense of the word.  Pete Jackson is a demi-god when it comes to making fantasy movies.

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  lizardbones

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12/18/12 11:14:25 AM#24


Originally posted by azzamasin

Originally posted by grimal

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus And it made me want to play Lotro again, specifically a sword and staff loremaster  
Interesting. Is it as bloated as a lot of the critics are complaining? (the movie, not the game..lol)
Never ever listen to critics.

 

The movie was a modern master piece in ever sense of the word.  Pete Jackson is a demi-god when it comes to making fantasy movies.




The movie contains extra stuff, both from the appendixes in the Lord of the Rings, and from Jackson's imagination. The appendixes are fine, Jackson's imagination is not. Even rearranging the events from the story, to end up in the same spot was OK, but the stuff Jackson added was very obviously done for a video game tie-in or to make action figures.

The story ends up being unfocused and yes, a little too full of information. I wouldn't have used the word, 'bloated', but it fits.

** edit **
If you've never read the book, then the movie probably won't seem bloated, and the extra elements that Jackson added may not seem like bloat.

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  wormywyrm

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12/18/12 11:23:17 AM#25

I agree that Peter Jackson's heart is in the right place as far as making it three movies.  Otherwise they wouldn't be so long individually, for instance.  Also just watching extra features and listening to him go on about it you can tell he loves it.  I don't like everything he has done with the IP but thats ok, the things I dislike I can understand from a movie making perspective.

It is true that the hobbit is bloated with side stories, etc.  It's great!  It is sort of like reading a book.  I would have enjoyed it being a non-episodic tv series, ala heroes or lost.  But I suppose production quality is better this way and there are less compromises as a movie triology.  For instance, the sword of truth series was made into a tv show and it came out horrible where as it could have made some good movies.

So that is where I am coming from; I could sit and watch shit going on in middle earth for days on end and be happy.  I love the immersion...  It is different from, but reminds me of when I once casually read the books.  I love fantasy books.

That being said, there was one problem I had with the hobbit, and that was the character of radagast.  Much like harry potter destroyed the soul of dumbledores character by making him a grumy old man instead of quirky and kind, the hobbit movie has taken radagast and turned him into something really strange.  They sort of made him the jar jar binks of the movie, mostly there for kids entertainment.  I was sad to see this because although he was barely in the books I remember liking him a lot, or at least the -idea- of him.  Maybe he was a weirdo in the books too and I chose to ignore it... I dunno.

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  Entris38

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12/18/12 11:25:03 AM#26
I felt Jackson did an amazing job with the first movie, there were some inaccuracies, and he did fill in some of the back story. I am glad they touched on the backstory of the necro, for it was barely mentioned in the book(only at the end, in explaining Gandalf's mysterious disappearance). I hope they expand on the necro story, I am not sure if  in Christophers writings, if it was covered or not. Christopher apparently had many side stories/fillers....though I have never read any of them.
  Ikeda

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12/18/12 12:19:58 PM#27
Originally posted by Entris38
I felt Jackson did an amazing job with the first movie, there were some inaccuracies, and he did fill in some of the back story. I am glad they touched on the backstory of the necro, for it was barely mentioned in the book(only at the end, in explaining Gandalf's mysterious disappearance). I hope they expand on the necro story, I am not sure if  in Christophers writings, if it was covered or not. Christopher apparently had many side stories/fillers....though I have never read any of them.

Just so you know:

The necromancer (or Witch King of Angmar) was written by J.R.R. Tolkien himself (not Christopher) in Appendix B.  You learn of the necromancer in the storyline.  In Appendix B, during the timeline, you read about the creation of the Morgul, the Witch King of Angmar title is specifically mentioned here as well.

 

Azog (while some are complaining that he makes no sense) is mentioned in Appendix A (under Durin's folk; again by J.R.R. Tolkien himself).  Thorin didn't fight him though in the battle it was someone else.  Azog did not really chase them in the Hobbit (he was dead) so yes that was added but it makes far more sense as it explains why the dwarves are being hunted in the books AND if I recall correctly Azogs orc-kid is the one that leads the Orcs at the Batlle of Five Armies (I won't spoil).

  strangiato2112

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12/18/12 12:39:50 PM#28
Originally posted by wormywyrm

 

That being said, there was one problem I had with the hobbit, and that was the character of radagast.  Much like harry potter destroyed the soul of dumbledores character by making him a grumy old man instead of quirky and kind, the hobbit movie has taken radagast and turned him into something really strange.  They sort of made him the jar jar binks of the movie, mostly there for kids entertainment.  I was sad to see this because although he was barely in the books I remember liking him a lot, or at least the -idea- of him.  Maybe he was a weirdo in the books too and I chose to ignore it... I dunno.

I could have done withoout the bird shit and rabbit sled, but overall I liked Radagast.  Very eccentric but certainly not inept.  Dude  is a hermit that loves the plants and animals above all else (this is the book version of him too) so its natural he is a bit out there. He proved himself to be pretty badass too in Jackson's film.

  strangiato2112

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12/18/12 12:48:00 PM#29
Originally posted by lizardbones


The movie contains extra stuff, both from the appendixes in the Lord of the Rings, and from Jackson's imagination. The appendixes are fine, Jackson's imagination is not. Even rearranging the events from the story, to end up in the same spot was OK, but the stuff Jackson added was very obviously done for a video game tie-in or to make action figures.

The story ends up being unfocused and yes, a little too full of information. I wouldn't have used the word, 'bloated', but it fits.

** edit **
If you've never read the book, then the movie probably won't seem bloated, and the extra elements that Jackson added may not seem like bloat.

 

Here is what I would classify as 'bloat' from The Hobbit:

1.  The goblin escape was way too long and way too 'hollywood'

2.  Given how long the unexpected party was (and should have been IMO), the Frodo stuff in the beginning could have been cut.  Leave Ian Holm writing the story (and I loved that the first few lines from the book were told) but cut it off without the Fellowship lead in.  If anything toss it at the end of movie 3.

3.  Stone giants were cool.  could have done without the hollywood stuff in that scene though

really thats about it.  And that amounts for maybe 10 minutes of film time.

The Radagast/white council stuff was very welcome by me and I liked it.  Azog was fine.  Again, a littlle less hollywood with the tree sene though but it wasnt overlong either.

 

 

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  Kabaal

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12/18/12 12:53:53 PM#30

I loved it, perhaps not quite as much as the previous trilogy so far but then those movies had their ups and downs also. Taken as a whole however they were very good and we'll probably have to take this current interpretation of the hobbit in the same way once all are released.

Some of the comments on other forums have given me chuckles, like the complaints about golf... golf was in the book yet Jackson gets the blame lol.

For the record The Hobbit is the first book i can remember choosing to read myself as a child and has been read god knows how many times since, it and the rest of the series are probably much to blame for my book, movie and game preferences through life.

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  BACONX

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12/27/12 10:04:28 PM#31

I agree with your feeling Lord. I saw the movie and it made me want to play LOTRO badly. Not becasue the movie was that great but becasue it brought up a lot of lore that I remember from the books and from LOTRO's quest hubs. I'm on the fence about playing again though- it has been so long and the game has gone Free-to-Play.Should I play or not?!?!

  Blazeyer

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12/27/12 10:14:44 PM#32
I know this is semi off topic, as I haven't seen the movie. I read the book last month. Wasn't a fan of it at all to be honest. Infact it pushed me to not wanting to see the movie. I was a huge huge fan of the original trilogy movies (i haven't read those books, but reading the hobbit made me not want to all the more). After reading a few of your posts I'm wondering how exactly the movie compares to the original 3. I'm really looking for a game to catch my attention and considering a return to LOTRO.
  Terranah

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12/27/12 10:15:25 PM#33

In general I liked the movie, but it was pretty long: 3 hours.  Half way through, I had to pee.  So I start tapping my leg.  Tap tap tap.  1.5 hours later it felt like a stone giant had kidney punched me but I refused to go to the restroom and potentially miss something.  I had no idea how far along we were into the movie time wise, when they stepped onto the promontory and looked off into the distance at the dwarven mountain.  I thought for sure I would pee my pants right then when I saw how far away that mountain was, lol.  Luckily the orchestral music was playing loudly or my groan would have been audible.

 

I saw it twice in 3d.  I enjoyed it both times.  The second time I picked up on some dialogue and other things I missed the first time around so that was good.  All in all I found it an enjoyable albeit long experience, and the idea of waiting years to see the next one is painful.

 

Going back to LORTO did cross my mind but there are a few reasons I left that have not changed so I don't think I'll be doing that.  It's a good game though, great devs.  The game just isn't for me.

  aspekx

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12/27/12 10:15:51 PM#34
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

I saw the movie today. It was fun and it was pretty much very tue to the book. I was impressed. This is Tolkien book lover dream come true. It's sort of slow pace but if you love the book, you will love it. Music is mostly re-made from LOTR so it's awesome. Thorin is great :) - very good pick. I got lucky LOL because the projector crashed while watching previews and we had 10 minutes break... they gave us passes for this inconvenience, so I think I am going to see Hobbit one more time after holidays :)

 

The dinner scene is one of the best, simply hilarious, I was LOL... poor Bilbo :)

you and i clearly did not see the same movie.

the movie is a terrific action adventure movie. but it is a very loose interpretation of the book. and one that i had sincere problems with because it seemed to overlook some very basic tenets that JRRT had included in his book.

their interpetation of JRRT's songs was however, unmatched by anything i have heard before.

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  Thorkune

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12/27/12 10:21:04 PM#35
My wife and I both loved it, and we are excited for the next installment.
  azzamasin

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12/27/12 10:25:59 PM#36
Like seriously how does one, especially a gamer go this long without seeing possibly the greatest prequel i nthe history of cinema?  I thik your geek card needs to be pulled!

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  kroz318

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12/27/12 10:44:30 PM#37
Originally posted by Ikeda
Originally posted by Entris38
I felt Jackson did an amazing job with the first movie, there were some inaccuracies, and he did fill in some of the back story. I am glad they touched on the backstory of the necro, for it was barely mentioned in the book(only at the end, in explaining Gandalf's mysterious disappearance). I hope they expand on the necro story, I am not sure if  in Christophers writings, if it was covered or not. Christopher apparently had many side stories/fillers....though I have never read any of them.

Just so you know:

The necromancer (or Witch King of Angmar) was written by J.R.R. Tolkien himself (not Christopher) in Appendix B.  You learn of the necromancer in the storyline.  In Appendix B, during the timeline, you read about the creation of the Morgul, the Witch King of Angmar title is specifically mentioned here as well.

 

Azog (while some are complaining that he makes no sense) is mentioned in Appendix A (under Durin's folk; again by J.R.R. Tolkien himself).  Thorin didn't fight him though in the battle it was someone else.  Azog did not really chase them in the Hobbit (he was dead) so yes that was added but it makes far more sense as it explains why the dwarves are being hunted in the books AND if I recall correctly Azogs orc-kid is the one that leads the Orcs at the Batlle of Five Armies (I won't spoil).

*Spoilers*

Been awhile but isn't the necromancer Sauron?

 

Anyway some of you guys are taking this too seriously. Was a great movie. My only two complaits were Christorphor Lee's out of place acting and how weird the goblins looked.

  Sovrath

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12/27/12 10:53:44 PM#38
Originally posted by grimal
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

And it made me want to play Lotro again, specifically a sword and staff loremaster

 

Interesting.

Is it as bloated as a lot of the critics are complaining? (the movie, not the game..lol)

nah.

oh, there are some things they shouldn't have put in there but at no time did I feel like it was bloated. Then again, I have incredible stamina for long movies/plays/operas so your mileage may vary.

They added a character that they shouldn't have. I understand why they did it as it will probalby tie into some of the orc/goblin fights later on, but it wasn't necessary. Unless of course you make an argument for giving Thorin Oakenshield a antagonist.

My thought is that as a story, the hobbit is kind of light. Get a group together, take a trip, have some minor battles, they don't actually kill smaug and then the battle of the five armies where, if memory serves me, Bilbo gets knocked out.

It's difficult to create a story where the main protagonists don't really vanquish anything.

So I suppose that's one reason to add some of the stuff.

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12/27/12 11:05:54 PM#39
Originally posted by kroz318
Originally posted by Ikeda
Originally posted by Entris38
I felt Jackson did an amazing job with the first movie, there were some inaccuracies, and he did fill in some of the back story. I am glad they touched on the backstory of the necro, for it was barely mentioned in the book(only at the end, in explaining Gandalf's mysterious disappearance). I hope they expand on the necro story, I am not sure if  in Christophers writings, if it was covered or not. Christopher apparently had many side stories/fillers....though I have never read any of them.

Just so you know:

The necromancer (or Witch King of Angmar) was written by J.R.R. Tolkien himself (not Christopher) in Appendix B.  You learn of the necromancer in the storyline.  In Appendix B, during the timeline, you read about the creation of the Morgul, the Witch King of Angmar title is specifically mentioned here as well.

 

Azog (while some are complaining that he makes no sense) is mentioned in Appendix A (under Durin's folk; again by J.R.R. Tolkien himself).  Thorin didn't fight him though in the battle it was someone else.  Azog did not really chase them in the Hobbit (he was dead) so yes that was added but it makes far more sense as it explains why the dwarves are being hunted in the books AND if I recall correctly Azogs orc-kid is the one that leads the Orcs at the Batlle of Five Armies (I won't spoil).

*Spoilers*

Been awhile but isn't the necromancer Sauron?

 

Anyway some of you guys are taking this too seriously. Was a great movie. My only two complaits were Christorphor Lee's out of place acting and how weird the goblins looked.

ive no issue with broad interpretations where the book only gives hints or is silent. that's the fun of all this after all, right?

am i taking it too seriously?

first, im taking issue with PJackson reinterpreting some fundamentals. this story has been a part of my life since childhood, so its important to me.

second, i thoroughly enjoyed the movie. as i mentioned above, i think the music, while reinterpreted in part for brevity, was fabulously well done. im not angry at PJackson and i am looking forward to the next 2 installments.

but again, the story is a part of my life, part of my growing up, so in that sense i do 'take it seriously'. i fear that in a culture currrently so at odds with itself that we are becoming cynical about taking things seriously. its okay to be devoted to something or someone. its okay to have differences of understanding and interpretation, even, gahd forbid, to become passionate about it.

 

***spoiler alert***

 

 

as for the Necromancer question, the answer is, Yes.

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  aspekx

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12/27/12 11:12:47 PM#40
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by grimal
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

And it made me want to play Lotro again, specifically a sword and staff loremaster

 

Interesting.

Is it as bloated as a lot of the critics are complaining? (the movie, not the game..lol)

nah.

oh, there are some things they shouldn't have put in there but at no time did I feel like it was bloated. Then again, I have incredible stamina for long movies/plays/operas so your mileage may vary.

They added a character that they shouldn't have. I understand why they did it as it will probalby tie into some of the orc/goblin fights later on, but it wasn't necessary. Unless of course you make an argument for giving Thorin Oakenshield a antagonist.

My thought is that as a story, the hobbit is kind of light. Get a group together, take a trip, have some minor battles, they don't actually kill smaug and then the battle of the five armies where, if memory serves me, Bilbo gets knocked out.

It's difficult to create a story where the main protagonists don't really vanquish anything.

So I suppose that's one reason to add some of the stuff.

but of course i think thats part of the beauty of the story and something essentially Tolkienesque about it. it concerns quite ordinary folk making their way in a world with some extraordinary people and events in it. all w/o losing a sense of homey-ness.

for example Rivendell is called the Last Homely House in the book. this is not the title of a dramatic backdrop for world events, which it has been in the past and will become later in the trilogy. but i believe that is part of Tolkien's point. homey-ness, the ordinary day to day pleasures of the world are worth celebrating and in the final book of the trilogy become clearly the motivation for saving it.

i dont think PJackson made poor choices. i just think he missed the point.

"There are at least two kinds of games.
One could be called finite, the other infinite.
A finite game is played for the purpose of winning,
an infinite game for the purpose of continuing play."
Finite and Infinite Games, James Carse

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