Originally posted by dextral

Originally posted by TalulaRose

 $10 worth of points or 1200 points. This last point is a half-truth. The monthly Issues that were previously free now cost $5 to $10 and you will havew to use those free points to buy them.

They were in fact not free. You had to pay for the subscription to access them.

Now you get them even cheaper - well at least the first one which costs $5.

If they never release any monthly Issues would you still pay the $15/month sub?

Yes.

And since I pay that $15 with or without the monthly content...how much did the monthly content cost?

Originally posted by TalulaRose

Originally posted by dextral

Originally posted by TalulaRose

 $10 worth of points or 1200 points. This last point is a half-truth. The monthly Issues that were previously free now cost $5 to $10 and you will havew to use those free points to buy them.

They were in fact not free. You had to pay for the subscription to access them.

Now you get them even cheaper - well at least the first one which costs $5.

If they never release any monthly Issues would you still pay the $15/month sub?

 

Yes.

 

And since I pay that $15 with or without the monthly content...how much did the monthly content cost?

They were, however, paid for by your $15/month.  And going forward if you were to continue your subscription and they didn't have any DLC that month then you'd have a spare 1200 to spend on whatever you wanted in the store which is more than you would have had previously.

I agree funcom is begging for money.

I Logged into the game to give it a try since it went F2P, and man for some reason I still get lag lag lag near the police station everytime i go near the building I get massive FPS drop perhaps its the design too many poly's or something for my graphics card because it is out of date but other than that no where else seems to lag that I go to so far.

Bugs with weapons at times I put the gun away but I still shoot with my arms stuck out shotgun on my back lol?

I don't understand the point of the game anyways it seems like an everyday MMO nothing big or different.

Funcom already added booster items to the cash shop its not only cosmetic items If I read it correctly.

I am glad I never paid for a lifetime sub because I knew the game was going down hill after first playing for about 10 hours if that then quitting after that.

The game lacks customization early game its confusing it could have been designed better, maybe I am missing somethig but nothing very fun here.

Originally posted by jdnyc

Originally posted by TalulaRose

 

 

One of 2 things will happen each month.

Some months you will get no free points because the monthly Issue cost 1200 points or $10.

Some months you will be left with up to 5$ or 600 points depending on how much the monthly Issue costs.

No, one thing will happen each month.  You will be spending less than 1200 points for DLC.  That's it.  According to the Lead Developer, the DLC will be less than the point rewards.  They wanted the lifers and members to get a little extra in addition.  Think of it like rollover minutes I guess if that helps.

Regardless, not enough people are playing the game.  They need more revenue and more people to play the game because that's its biggest issue right now.  They went B2P for that reason.  The only downside this change brings lifetimers and members is if they didn't want to play with more people in a MMO.  They are actually getting more for their investment than they were before this change.  In addition many other people that don't like a sub, but understand a business needs to make money can jump in now if the game interests them.  There's a crap ton of content available for free and in the future Funcom is hoping those people either become a member or buy whatever DLC they want to experience.

Win win across the board.  There's no downside.

Want to know what would be a downside?  Doing nothing and the servers shut down.  Tell me how much value a lifetime would have then?  Funcom has my full support on this.  I just wish they would of done this model from the beginning.

 

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since you skipped right over this (i know, lots of stuff to read), i'll just ask again
I'm not sure how else to put it. The pricing point for the DLC mission packs will be $5 to $10 depending on the amount of content in them If it's a huge new zone we will break it up into episodic DLC and each episode would be in the $5 - $10 range.
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The monthly  Issues will cost $5 to $10.

If a monthly issue costs $10 or 1200 points, and you only get $10 or 1200 points, how many points are you left with?

0

Strange, I had that before the new model.

Originally posted by hehenep

Originally posted by TalulaRose

Originally posted by dextral

Originally posted by TalulaRose

 $10 worth of points or 1200 points. This last point is a half-truth. The monthly Issues that were previously free now cost $5 to $10 and you will havew to use those free points to buy them.

They were in fact not free. You had to pay for the subscription to access them.

Now you get them even cheaper - well at least the first one which costs $5.

If they never release any monthly Issues would you still pay the $15/month sub?

 

Yes.

 

And since I pay that $15 with or without the monthly content...how much did the monthly content cost?

They were, however, paid for by your $15/month.  And going forward if you were to continue your subscription and they didn't have any DLC that month then you'd have a spare 1200 to spend on whatever you wanted in the store which is more than you would have had previously.

They were a free perk. Funcom even stated they were.

Based on your logic if they didn't have a monthly Issue would the sub fee be less than $15?

Ripped off lifetimer here. It´s an insult that the buyers of the 29$ game now get all of the content I payed 250 $ for.

The DLCs will be 5 Dollars and yes I´ll get monthly points but with the reduced prices, I as an early supporter got *******  by FC.

Thanks for nothing. Never will buy another MMO on launch. NEVER AGAIN.

Either they crank up the lifetime rewards with something INCREDIBLE or I will be very, very pissed about this price reduction.

That is all.

Originally posted by Mardukk

Originally posted by anthonyc999
explain to me how this is a bad thing for life timers they get 

• Every month Grandmaster accounts will receive $10 worth of Bonus Points. These points are valid for 6 months and can be used towards any Item Store purchase.
• Every month Grandmaster accounts will receive the Item-of-the-month: a special gift to all Membership accounts to the game.
• As a Grandmaster you receive a permanent item: The Time Accelerator. This item is available to all your characters and increases your experience gain by 100% for one hour and has a 16 hour cool-down!

Further, what used to be a discount of 10% discount to only social items in the Item Store has now been extended to be a discount on everything in the store. As members are getting a 10% discount to everything in the store, Grandmasters now receive a 20% discount! 

which technically is more then what we would have gotten if the game didnt go B2P?

Don't cloud their arguments with facts...

Personally I'd never go Lifer but the benefits you get from teh B2P model combined with being a lifer certainly looks to be a very nice bonus, considering that a lifetime sub would have only covered a year or so of gameplay, yet this option keeps giving the bonuses, win win I say.

I guess some ppl can't see the woods for the trees.

Please review the behavior of previous Funcom fans.  And SWG fans.  And DAoC fans.  And...well, just about every developer who's been around for a bit has no shortage of people holding grudges.

Repeat as necessary.

Originally posted by banzai014

So Funcom is laughing all the way to the bank with lifetimers' money. We haven't even seen a return on our investment (12+ months sub time) and TSW has already gone F2P. Instead, we are being given a sop for wanting to support Funcom and trusting their "we won't go F2P anytime, cash shop is cosmetics-only" promise - for a $15 month's sub, players now get $10 in Funcom fake monies that expire after 6 months and 20% discount on all per-character (not even account!) clothing/pets (non-DLC items) bought from the cash shop.  It would be cheaper to buy the $5-10 monthly DLC from the store than sub in this game. 

Of course we can't vote with our wallets, Funcom already has our money. Rather than listening to our complaints, Funcom would be more apt to ban us for being disruptive in chat / forums since they've already milked us cash-wise and we're now just a drain on server resources.

So how can lifetimers protest? We have to do it through word of mouth. It's our duty to warn players from this game. We must warn our friends, our family, warn people in the forums we frequent. Let our cautionary tale make it known that only fools part money with Funcom.

i have no problems with FC going b2p on this game..has a lifer myself i dont feel hard done by..i have a lifetime with lotro ,same thing happened.fact of the matter is with lotro i got the rohan expansion for free has i will get all the content with TSW  for free.i suppose if i had known they were goin b2p maybe i wouldnt have bought a lifetime but that ship has sailed and i,m happy the way things are..

Originally posted by banzai014

So Funcom is laughing all the way to the bank with lifetimers' money. We haven't even seen a return on our investment (12+ months sub time) and TSW has already gone F2P. Instead, we are being given a sop for wanting to support Funcom and trusting their "we won't go F2P anytime, cash shop is cosmetics-only" promise - for a $15 month's sub, players now get $10 in Funcom fake monies that expire after 6 months and 20% discount on all per-character (not even account!) clothing/pets (non-DLC items) bought from the cash shop.  It would be cheaper to buy the $5-10 monthly DLC from the store than sub in this game. 

Of course we can't vote with our wallets, Funcom already has our money. Rather than listening to our complaints, Funcom would be more apt to ban us for being disruptive in chat / forums since they've already milked us cash-wise and we're now just a drain on server resources.

So how can lifetimers protest? We have to do it through word of mouth. It's our duty to warn players from this game. We must warn our friends, our family, warn people in the forums we frequent. Let our cautionary tale make it known that only fools part money with Funcom.

I bought the lifetime, however I don't feel like I am getting screwed.

Apparently you haven't read what us lifetimers are getting.

Originally posted by DrunkWolf
did none of you guys play age of conan? why on earth would anybody give funcom lifetime anything??

I skipped that one.

 How can lifetimers get back at Funcom?

Well, if I really wanted to get back at a business in this age, I would form a facebook group of (hopefully) likeminded people and once enough members are ready and in position, everyone would file dozens trivial bug reports and put in endless customer support tickets both in game and on any forums if possible.

Then the group can wage a public service campaign via the facebook page on any backlash from the customer support storm.

Then in phase 2 once enough popularity to the cause is garnered and press related to the backlash comes out , you reach out to anyone, non gamers , people who never played and have them all engage in signing petitions and mass mailings to the government in charge, any press you can and anyone else who will listen.Then more complaints and bombardment of websites assosiated with the company along with any possible in game complaining yet available.

Basically try put the full weight of public opinion and the whole internet against the company in question.

You would need a lot of initial support for your cause to have any impact of course, but if the cause is popular enough, the negative press could be devastating to a media company and the cost of dealing with the PR fiasco and the strained customer support trying to figure out which tickets are actually valid could in fact crush a company.

But, that is just if I was mad. I'm not suggesting anyone do such a thing.

Well I have contacted Massively and MMORPG.com suggesting they write an article investigating the legal implications of TSW's B2P change or otherwise recommend me a lawyer specializing in this area that I could talk to. I hope this way we can get something started moving forward and clarify exactly  what legal recourse existing subscribers have. I only ask that players get the option of having their extant subscription time refunded, since the subscription service has so wholly changed from what they originally intended to pay for (i.e. it has lost a lot of its value, which is paying for access to the game).

Originally posted by FromHell

Ripped off lifetimer here. It´s an insult that the buyers of the 29$ game now get all of the content I payed 250 $ for.

The DLCs will be 5 Dollars and yes I´ll get monthly points but with the reduced prices, I as an early supporter got *******  by FC.

 

Thanks for nothing. Never will buy another MMO on launch. NEVER AGAIN.

The person who spends $29 today gets the same thing as the person who spent $29 before the game went B2P so you're not getting ripped off of anything there specifically.

It's more the lack of a sub fee that's the issue yes.  If it helps at all (and it probably won't I know) that person who buys the game as B2P and never spends another dime on it won't have any access to the issue content (DLC) going forward at all whereas you can effectively get it for 'free' with your stipend and possibly a bunch of other stuff on the store with left-over points as well.  You will always have more, over time, than anyone who didn't get a lifetime subscription and you won't have to pay Funcom another cent in order to get it.

Granted I wouldn't say no to getting more stuff, but I hardly think lifetime members are getting that horrible of a deal either.  Also there's never anything terribly wrong with buying a MMO out of the gate, but it's generally not a good idea to buy a lifetime unless you've played it some and are ok with the posibility of it going F2P.  Otherwise I'd say 6 months in is generally the best time to look into seriously investing in a MMO.  That's usually a nice spot where you can tell the direction the game's going to be going in the long-term.

You need to realize that devs don`t go f2p to createa free gaming environment,they do it as an alternative method to get more money.

So if you realize the game is still pay to play ,just in a different manner,you won`t be bummed out.

Originally posted by nycplayboy78
Good LAWD...This is turning out into a hot mess.....Got to love FunCom o.O

To be fair, I don't think the whole lifetime membership being merged into some form of F2P/B2P buisness plan is a Funcom exclusive issue.  Especially since I'm sure a decent number of people buy those sorts of things specifically to save on monthly subscription fees over time as opposed to getting access to content over time.