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News & Features Discussion  » [Column] Star Wars: The Old Republic: The Slippery Slope of SWTOR’s Cartel Market

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  Nukewrk

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12/12/12 2:23:17 PM#21
Space missions are a fun way to spent your time while waiting for a raid to start. In no way can space missions be used with the words "end-game". If you tried to run the 2 newest flaspoints with stuff you got from the cartel market you would be annialated , yet some think you could raid in this stuff and call it "end-game" content? What a joke lol
  kyssari

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"Reality is but a figment of our collective imaginations." -N.E.S.

12/12/12 2:54:24 PM#22

Worst part about SWToR's F2P model is some of the things you can't even get with cartel coins but are required to subscribe to play. I returned to the game after being a previous subscriber and full time closed beta tester for 6 months before thegame launched. Now the game is completely unplayable for me and there is no way to fix it because of one of the biggest crocks of bs I've ever seen.

F2P Accounts get no access to customer support whatsoever.... Can't even post on the support forums... So hopefully any of you who want to play your old accounts for free don't run into any game rbeaking bugs like I did cause if you do your just straight up screwed. I have even read reports of people who tried to subscribe still not being able to create new characters and thus still not being able to play at all with the only difference being they finally get customer support to fix the issue for them within a week or 2.

I honestly wouldn't mind subbing again but can't bring myself to do so out of pure moral obligation. The way they have slapped their former customers in the face with a severe lack of customer appreciation and their blatant display of pure greed is pretty ridiculous. I've played with (and spent money on) tons of different f2p games over the years and the SWToR F2P model is the worst I've ever seen by far :\

  marz.at.play

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12/12/12 3:05:22 PM#23
This F2P model is just as bad as AoC. Why does anyone bother with it? It's a rip-off. Look at successful F2P/B2P models ala GW, GW2, Aion, and now TSW :)

  User Deleted
12/12/12 3:10:15 PM#24
First, people complain that the space missions in SWTOR are awful and pointless. Now people complain that there's cash shop items for said horrible space missions. I honestly don't blame game devs for ignoring players sometimes.
  Kabaal

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12/12/12 3:54:56 PM#25
Originally posted by rdrakken
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Nonsense. Money is the driving force behind businesses the mass subscription cancellations mere months into it's launch was as big a hint as any company would need. Blaming anything on the way TOR turned out on the community bickering is just silly.

  Sevenstar61

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12/12/12 4:02:53 PM#26
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by hockey98
Coming on a forum and providing facts is acceptable, coming on a forum and not telling the truth makes you look like a fool. The ship item is not end-game content. You cannot buy anything in the cartel market that is end-game. There isnt Rakata gear or Black Hole gear or anything close to it in the cartel market. Those who are saying there are ignorant and wrong. These people should be banned for trolling but we know mmorpg wont do that.

The ship upgrades for sale are of the highest rank obtainable in-game.  Sounds end-game to me, whether it's a single player mission or not.  Bragging rights won't go to those who earn them, but rather to those who spend real money.

 

There is also raid quality character gear from the Cartel gambling packs (lv 50 purples).  Very powerful max character level stuff too with procs.  Sounds pretty end-game to me.

Cartel boxes are not giving any raid quality gear aside of crystals... which are pretty cheap on the market already... just different colors.  Nobody is complaining about it, as majority of drops are +41 Endurance - which are so common now... I am giving them out for free.  And that's it.

As for space missions.... if they would not give space part grade 7  away at cartel shop, probably they would not be as popular as they are now. It's not like it was a top game activity in SWTOR. As somebody mentioned, some players said it was a waste of time.

But I guess it was a wrong assumption as lots of people actually play them. And by all means space missions are not  SWTOR end game... it's a side game LOL.

Nothing in Cash Shop is end game changer... the gear with mods is for leveling if you choose to (set - level 31 and chest piece level 42). The cool thing is that all this gear is adaptive - so all classes can wear it. For some players it's something they were waiting for... you can make DS Jedi look like a Sith... or LS Sith look like Jedi...

 


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  bigcheeseuk

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12/12/12 4:41:37 PM#27
They should have made companions purchasable, you start with the intial one for free. That would raise them a little cash.
  lucasdeiss

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12/12/12 5:36:25 PM#28
Originally posted by wildtalent

I'm glad for the F2P conversion.  Had it not happened I wouldn't have given the game the second chance it deserved.  However,  I think the things that are being sold piece meal are a bit ridiculous.  Action bars?  Really?  

The addition of endgame level equipment is regrettable as well.  I think what is happening here is that while Bioware knows how to make a great game with an amazing story...even one year in...they still don't understand how to run an MMO.

 

That being said, the game is fun but Bioware need to take a closer look at other game's F2P model and make some changes.

YOU CAN GET 4 ACTION BARS NOW MAN, IF YOU ARE PREFERRED

  mmoguy43

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12/12/12 6:39:39 PM#29
Considering the spirit of BW is dead and SWTOR is on low maintence profit mode with EA behind the wheel, they have been on a slippery sloap since the begining of F2P and continues to get worse. Expect to see more of the same mistakes and more "We are listening" to repair the damage it does.

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  DashiDMV

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12/12/12 7:45:48 PM#30
Can you really be surprised with a company that charges you to let you use skill bars? I guess if anything good came out of all this, it showed TSW what model they should try for. Maybe that game will add a few more people.
  erictlewis

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12/12/12 9:02:41 PM#31

We already know it is a slippery slope, but honestly the real question should be how many free to play players are going to use the cartel shop.  I know I will not. Heck I logged in took a look at free to play and 5 minutes later was done.

The real question is can they make money on the cartel shop now that the free loaders have showed up.

 

  cronius77

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12/12/12 9:43:49 PM#32
honestly i prey they do not make money off the shop because with the small new content update and about half of it being the cartel stupid gambling packs and outfits I honestly can say i REALLY want this game to fail misrably . When companies out there like Trion are laying off and funcom and they offer better play experiences , you would think EA would wise up but i guess you just gotta get these old school devs out of the gaming industry for it to become positive again and maybe something innovative will release.
  User Deleted
12/12/12 9:54:17 PM#33

guess they are going down the path that GW2 is going by adding FoTM to a game that was essentially supposed to be all about open world events and wondering why it turned into a "LFG LFM fractals" lobby game in Lions Arch for weeks now.

Yeah that new space game would disrupt dungeon running completely.

  Kothoses

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12/13/12 5:43:02 AM#34

None of these issues are swtor specific, did you put the name in there just to feed the page hits of the anti mainstream crowd?

 

You could apply that argument to ANY mmo with items that have appearances........ It doesnt even need to be from the cash shop.

 

Seriously, I used to love the articles on this site but lately it has become too pre-occupied with the agenda of the anti-mainstream community.  

 

So please explain why this article is about 1 game when it could equally be about ANY MMO, especially MMOs with cash shops... and where is this slippery slope, STO, Champions, LOTRO, EQ2, DCU, DnD all do similar stuff, where is their slippery slope?

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  User Deleted
12/13/12 5:52:53 AM#35
From selling action bars and now this, it seems like another desperate dollar grab to me.  I suppose this is to be expected form a game that wasn't ever intended to be F2P.  Once again, the one-way communication of this company is baffling in a genre with such a vocal consumer base.  No dialogue, no relationship.  
  superniceguy

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12/13/12 6:54:02 AM#36
With this and the sale of Life Day items, EA are taking the general abuse of F2P to the extremes!
  Nukewrk

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12/13/12 7:34:57 AM#37
Originally posted by superniceguy
With this and the sale of Life Day items, EA are taking the general abuse of F2P to the extremes!

 

Oh please Mr.Bitter SWG Guy, how IS EA taking F2p to the extreme. I would like some examples of this extreme f2p. I mean we know you dont even play swtor but yet your on every single post about swtor, but enlightened us please.
  Nukewrk

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12/13/12 7:40:20 AM#38
Originally posted by Kothoses

None of these issues are swtor specific, did you put the name in there just to feed the page hits of the anti mainstream crowd?

 

You could apply that argument to ANY mmo with items that have appearances........ It doesnt even need to be from the cash shop.

 

Seriously, I used to love the articles on this site but lately it has become too pre-occupied with the agenda of the anti-mainstream community.  

 

So please explain why this article is about 1 game when it could equally be about ANY MMO, especially MMOs with cash shops... and where is this slippery slope, STO, Champions, LOTRO, EQ2, DCU, DnD all do similar stuff, where is their slippery slope?

 

Because there are a large number of posters that DO NOT play swtor but hijack every single post about swtor. Mmorpg knows this and likes to fan the flames. I know a lot of friends who have been banned while trying to correct the same posters over and over. Mmorpg does nothing to stop lies, exaggeration, quotes out of context that these people put on here. But once you call them out bam 1 day, 7 day ban for you.
  User Deleted
12/13/12 7:54:08 AM#39

- Space missions are gear based.
- SWTOR is selling the best space mission upgrades. (you can sill grind them)
- Daily Space mission for max level character only which reward black hole coms which in turn give out raid level gear.


That's not "endgame" for the denial fanboy trolls?
Well i had harder times exposing some suptidity denial arguments of my 5 year old.

  Nukewrk

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12/13/12 7:57:47 AM#40
Originally posted by skydiver12

- Space missions are gear based.
- SWTOR is selling the best space mission upgrades.
- Daily Space mission for max level character only which reward black hole coms which in turn give out raid level gear.


That's not "endgame" for the denial fanboy trolls?
Well i had harder times exposing some suptidity denial arguments of my 5 year old.

 

The best part is the same ones that are now calling space mission "end-game" last week were calling it a waste of part of the game, its not part of a mmo, its "single player". Maybe you all should get together and make up your mind. I understand you like to change facts when it seems to benefit you cause.
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