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  BillMurphy

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OP  12/09/12 8:16:54 PM#1

In this week's Elder Scrolls Online column, we take a look at Zenimax' progression model for ESO which should serve to keep players working on their characters long after the max level. Read on for more of Bill Murphy's thoughts on the matter, and see if you agree.

If there's one thing I think will keep me playing Elder Scrolls Online long past the level cap, it's not the three-faction PVP, the story, or the dungeons. It's the idea that my character can continue to get more powerful beyond the level cap without some arbitrary gear grind. Now, we know that ESO is planning dungeons and gear to be a part of the endgame. But, that's never been a draw for me when it comes to being at the max in level-based games. I know that it works for some folks, but aside from the adventure itself, combing through a massive world, what really keeps me playing is the notion of character development.

Read the rest of Bill's Elder Scrolls Online: Progression as Longevity.

  Mike-McQueen

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12/10/12 12:15:01 PM#2
I don't see unlocking abilities for weapons and armor as character advancement. It'll probably not take as much time as you'd think before you've unlocked everything and then what. Idk they need something more solid to call it AA to me.

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  paulytheb

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12/10/12 12:25:23 PM#3
Not getting my hopes up for this one. Seems like another clone. Not planning to purchase.

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  remyburke

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12/10/12 12:30:16 PM#4
They need to make weapon/armor/stealth etc skills take a while to level up. Look at GW2 as to how not to do it. But in addition to that, they should implement long quest chains to unlock special abilities you can't get by any other means.

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  koboldfodder

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12/10/12 12:35:39 PM#5

If it is a traditional themepark MMO, and it totally will be, then there is only one way to have progression.  The traditional gear grind+level increase+outdated zones.  Everything is funneled into that idea.

Unlocking weapon abilities as progression....hmmm, where have I seen that one before.  Ah, yes.  Guild Wars 2.  Yeah, that one worked out well.

They screwed up, they know it.  There is nothing they can do about it.  This game started development probably 5 years ago when copying WOW was a good idea.  All of a sudden there is a massive change over the past two years where these games are trashed and fail.  They release their info about the game, and the game is universallly trashed unlike any other MMO before release.

 

You know as well as I do that they are up there in there little Bethesda office looking nervously at each other.

  Torvaldr

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12/10/12 12:36:34 PM#6

I'm not so sure Bill.  The AA system in rift (planar attunement) hasn't worked out so well at all.  Even in EQ2 where it's been around a long while and evolved through several iterations it still has some severe scaling issues.

There are two major problems with AA systems.  One is different play styles and groups want them implemented in different ways.  In the rift example PA was nerfed to be account wide so that raider's alts would be more viable in raids.  This essentially took out everything that made it an alternate form of character advancement.

The second problem with AA is that it doesn't seem to scale well a little later on down the road when xpacs hit.  The level cap is raised, people have too much power in their AA.  AA is reworked to incorporate level advancement or additional AA paths.  This essentially means a nerf to current AA and a rescaling of the system to fit the new xpac and level curve.

The problem is that companies, like trion or blizzard, want to rocket people to cap so they can "end game" but they still want to say they provide a viable sense of progression.  The two are at odds with each other.  The whole concept of AA is a bolt-on to fix poorly designed leveling and progression in the first place.

The game will be fine I'm sure, but I don't think it bodes well they are adopting bolt-on fixes and standard solutions that haven't solved the problems those systems were created to resolve.  Maybe those problems don't have a solution, but I also don't think their AA system is somehow going to lend a depth and engagement to the game they're hoping to achieve.

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  Digna

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12/10/12 12:39:51 PM#7

So I build a mage with mage specs, casting skills etc and I can...then skill up medium armor and become a mage-like something else?

I am still a mage with intell. Not dex or strength.

Not saying this is a bad thing but it sounds...like..less than THE answer.

Sure, I have a 2 hander and go around slashing things. I decide to go sword and board. I don't see that as a huge change but I suppose there is something to it. Maybe. But I doubt (as it has been presented) it's enough to change how people feel about hitting 'the end'.

Time will tell. I have hopes for so many games. Most are dashed to the floor. *shrug*

  Torvaldr

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12/10/12 12:40:45 PM#8
Originally posted by remyburke
They need to make weapon/armor/stealth etc skills take a while to level up. Look at GW2 as to how not to do it. But in addition to that, they should implement long quest chains to unlock special abilities you can't get by any other means.

Look at all the games in your sig, especially EQ2, WoW, and rfit, as to now how to do it either.  None of the current implementations works especially well at what they're designed to do.

So how should it be done?  Making them go slower and take longer to level isn't going to be the answer.  Adding special abilities locked behind tedious chains isn't going to solve the problem at all.  Either the skill won't be worth the effort to obtain or it will be over-powered, result in balance nightmares, and end up getting nerfed to Obvlivion, resulting in frustation and tears.  This is a pvp focused game.  Consider that in the bigger picture.

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  koboldfodder

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12/10/12 12:43:43 PM#9
It's not a PVP focused game.  If it were, there would be open world PVP anywhere.  By keeping PVP locked in one area they are telling you that it is optional.
  Torvaldr

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12/10/12 12:45:49 PM#10
Originally posted by koboldfodder
It's not a PVP focused game.  If it were, there would be open world PVP anywhere.  By keeping PVP locked in one area they are telling you that it is optional.

You are seriously mistaken.  They are touting daoc style gaming and combat and class mechanics *will* be balanced around that.  They have to or the game will totally flop.  Just because you can pve freely doesn't mean that pvp doesn't own your balance.

I think a mind wipe so people could play an mmo like it was their first time again, would be easier to build than a new mmo people here would actually like. - DamonVile

  Burntvet

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12/10/12 1:06:08 PM#11
Originally posted by paulytheb
Not getting my hopes up for this one. Seems like another clone. Not planning to purchase.

I agree.

Another expensive "one-month wonder".

Pass.

 

And I also think that the so called "gaming press" is trying awfully hard to get people (us) to keep buying these games, over and over.

 

  CrowsCry

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12/10/12 1:11:28 PM#12
I have bought and played most mmo's (like almost everyone). This will not be any exception. I can't wait to play it. Then I can judge it more accurately.
  Odesu

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12/10/12 1:17:32 PM#13
Originally posted by remyburke
They need to make weapon/armor/stealth etc skills take a while to level up. Look at GW2 as to how not to do it. […] Played: […] FFXI […]

Just for how long did you play FFXI?  Long enough to skill up all your weapons and skills?  And so you're still playing, right?  Because I would be, almost ten years later, trying to raise my Guarding or Shield on crabs in Boyahda Tree.

  remyburke

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12/10/12 1:37:42 PM#14
Originally posted by Odesu
Originally posted by remyburke
They need to make weapon/armor/stealth etc skills take a while to level up. Look at GW2 as to how not to do it. […] Played: […] FFXI […]

Just for how long did you play FFXI?  Long enough to skill up all your weapons and skills?  And so you're still playing, right?  Because I would be, almost ten years later, trying to raise my Guarding or Shield on crabs in Boyahda Tree.

I played for about a year. I levelled Brd/Nin to 60/30, played for a bit after that, then quit.

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  remyburke

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12/10/12 1:39:59 PM#15
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by remyburke
They need to make weapon/armor/stealth etc skills take a while to level up. Look at GW2 as to how not to do it. But in addition to that, they should implement long quest chains to unlock special abilities you can't get by any other means.

Look at all the games in your sig, especially EQ2, WoW, and rfit, as to now how to do it either.  None of the current implementations works especially well at what they're designed to do.

So how should it be done?  Making them go slower and take longer to level isn't going to be the answer.  Adding special abilities locked behind tedious chains isn't going to solve the problem at all.  Either the skill won't be worth the effort to obtain or it will be over-powered, result in balance nightmares, and end up getting nerfed to Obvlivion, resulting in frustation and tears.  This is a pvp focused game.  Consider that in the bigger picture.

For me, while Themeparks are fun and all, they are just vidego games. I prefer skill-based progression in a huge open "world" for my character to live and adventure in. The problem with themeparks is found at the very foundation of their fundementals. I just mentioned GW2 because it is current and because it takes literally 10 minutes to unlock all the skills a weapon has to offer.

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  scimtaru

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12/10/12 1:51:03 PM#16

I don't get why they do not just hand the choice to the player. Why do they keep limiting us into a class? I get that is insanely hard to develop some system that stays clear for the devs so they might have a hope to balance everything (if there is PvP involved and to some extent PvE). But I'm quite sure that it is possible to some extent. 

EVE managed to do this to some extent, granted it is not the easiest or most fun progression system but you are NEVER locked into something by the game. You want to use close range high dps ships, no problem. Want to be the support/healer just train these ships & modules up. Granted it takes a while but I don't see how a similar system cannot be devised with the added benefit in that actual time invested boosts the speed of progression. In a perfect game you would be able to train everything and all the balancing is done in how much of that stuff you can use at a time. IE. if you go heavy armor, sword & board you are not able to do that much dmg or perform magic or whatever. So the equipment you choose to use determines what type of abilities can use and how effective they are. Not the stats you gained by leveling. 

In short, I have my doubts about almost every themepark MMO that released after WoW. They're trying too hard to capture that success. I feel people have seen the themepark and they want something more. They stick to WoW or some of the minor success stories out there due to the social element. But new games will have a very tough time capturing a playerbase that will get them in the black.

But I don't even feel that character progression is the thing that ensures longevity for games like these. Players want to have a lasting impact on the world they inhabit. The themepark was fun, but ppl want to build, explore, conquer, attack, defend stuff they themselves or their guild owns. The "build it and they will come" era is over, "they will come, if they can build it" is a lot more long lasting. Let people devise a lot of the games narrative themselves -> Minecraft, DayZ and some amazing stories come out of there.

 

 

 

  Fearum

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12/10/12 1:58:18 PM#17
I'm with ya Bill, sounds like its going to be fun to try and open up all the builds you can think of, but I am also looking forward to the PvP and to see what Matt Firor & team can do with the ES IP behind it. Cryodiil is going to be huge, and can't wait to finally get into some good 3 faction PvP again.
 
  korr

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12/10/12 2:07:07 PM#18
I will give this game a try.  am I the only one hoping rebirth of the old UO tank mage? hehe

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  Vorthanion

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12/10/12 2:10:40 PM#19
I wish more games would embrace the Alternate Advancement system of the original EverQuest.  By far, it is the best max level advancement system I have tried.

  itchmon

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12/10/12 2:23:43 PM#20

am i the only one whose "personal hype meter" actually rose from watching this?

 

it seems too "theme park-like" for me personally but it will reward exploration and although there are classes you can apparently customize them.  so that's a plus for me.

 

plus by god, it LOOKS so wonderfully "elder scrollsish".

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