Originally posted by Quirhid

... a webpage(s) of numbers and stats...

Some people spend hours watching stock prices change. They get very involved and often react with strong emotions and a flurry of activity... so yeah, I can see it... "World of NASDAQ"... maybe I'll do a write up and put it up on Kickstarter... Thanks for the idea!

Yours truly,

B. Madoff

Originally posted by AlBQuirky

 

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Originally posted by Quirhid
As demonstrated by Planetarion (wikipedia link), Dominion and various other similar games where your planet, kingdom etc. is represented by a webpage(s) of numbers and stats. These games have everything they need to be called an MMO and the ones which have player characters in them (instead of planets or dominions) are fully fledged MMORPGs.

 

A lack of a world does not unmake an MMORPG and a "true MMORPG" (if you insist such a thing exists) does not need a world nor does it need to be a world simulation.

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What does one do without a world?

 

Play in an instanced? have you played LOL, or Diablo 3? If so, you know what to do without a world.

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by Quirhid

As demonstrated by Planetarion (wikipedia link), Dominion and various other similar games where your planet, kingdom etc. is represented by a webpage(s) of numbers and stats. These games have everything they need to be called an MMO and the ones which have player characters in them (instead of planets or dominions) are fully fledged MMORPGs.

A lack of a world does not unmake an MMORPG and a "true MMORPG" (if you insist such a thing exists) does not need a world nor does it need to be a world simulation.

I view this slightly differently. MMORPG is just a label .. and i know there was plenty of debate of what it is .. and it is not. I think that is irrelevant, and not very useful.

However, what is important is that the players who play "MMORPG" .. what kind of game will attract them. And i agree with you that a world is not always necessarily.

Just look at the games this site covers: Diablo, WOT, LOL, Smite .... there is no consistent virtual world in these games, but their playstyle is close enough to many MMO playstyle. Diablo is very similar to LFD small group dungeoning. WOT is like arena/BG pvp.

I don't believe such a thing as "true MMORPG" exists. They are jsut response to market preferences. And I see a trend of fusing elements from other genres.

Diablo is a game with online capability's diablo can never be considered an mmo as i cannot play with alot of people at the same time. 3 other people is a max. dablio is a hack and slah dungeon crawler. there is no MMO quality anywhere.

Wot is a fps with tanks... again not an MMO if that is an mmo then every fps with an online ability should be defined as an MMO

LoL is again not an MMO, wikipedia defines it as a multiplayer online battle arena. and i geus that sounds alright.

There is no Massive anywhere in those games. apart from the ability to play with alot of people. you are not playing with alot of people.

In a MMO and lets take WoW for example i am by default playing with alot of people. i might not be talk to them but there they are right in front of me. And whatever slightest of movement i make might trigger a reaction . That is an MMO.

Now PA could be defined as an MMO, because there is alot of people wich play together in their world of names and numbers. But it is also a browser game and that description would fit it the most because people who are searching to play a MMO are not looking for a browser game like PA. They are looking at the games ranging from dark ages online (top down vieuw) to Archage. So why add the MMO title?

Originally posted by Iselin

Originally posted by Quirhid

... a webpage(s) of numbers and stats...

Some people spend hours watching stock prices change. They get very involved and often react with strong emotions and a flurry of activity... so yeah, I can see it... "World of NASDAQ"... maybe I'll do a write up and put it up on Kickstarter... Thanks for the idea!

 

Yours truly,

 

B. Madoff

I suppose it is down to how you define "a world". If you think that a website with the same underlying data is a world .. then the auction house on Diablo 3 is also a world?

Originally posted by Hrimnir

Originally posted by Quirhid

As demonstrated by Planetarion (wikipedia link), Dominion and various other similar games where your planet, kingdom etc. is represented by a webpage(s) of numbers and stats. These games have everything they need to be called an MMO and the ones which have player characters in them (instead of planets or dominions) are fully fledged MMORPGs.

A lack of a world does not unmake an MMORPG and a "true MMORPG" (if you insist such a thing exists) does not need a world nor does it need to be a world simulation.

 

Wheels are not required for a bicycle.

 Bicycle is a system with 2 circular or spiral arrangements.  So yes a bicycle does require wheels or some or circular or spiral arrangement.

There may be an argument for a shortened work of bike that doesn't imply that but no for bicycle :)

Originally posted by xeniar

Originally posted by Quirhid

As demonstrated by Planetarion (wikipedia link), Dominion and various other similar games where your planet, kingdom etc. is represented by a webpage(s) of numbers and stats. These games have everything they need to be called an MMO and the ones which have player characters in them (instead of planets or dominions) are fully fledged MMORPGs.

A lack of a world does not unmake an MMORPG and a "true MMORPG" (if you insist such a thing exists) does not need a world nor does it need to be a world simulation.

i dont agree.

so by your standerd any game with an online function can be considered an MMO?

because alot of people can play it online? if you dont have a persistant world then my friend what you have is a online game not an MMO, You could refer to browser games like PA and tribal wars as MMO´s but lets keep them at browser games shall we?

 Nothing in the acronym MMO implies a world.  That is just something that is commonly associated with it.  All you need is a lot of people playing in an online game to be an MMO.

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Originally posted by nariusseldon

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Originally posted by AlBQuirky

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Originally posted by Quirhid
As demonstrated by Planetarion (wikipedia link), Dominion and various other similar games where your planet, kingdom etc. is represented by a webpage(s) of numbers and stats. These games have everything they need to be called an MMO and the ones which have player characters in them (instead of planets or dominions) are fully fledged MMORPGs.

A lack of a world does not unmake an MMORPG and a "true MMORPG" (if you insist such a thing exists) does not need a world nor does it need to be a world simulation.

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What does one do without a world?

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Play in an instanced? have you played LOL, or Diablo 3? If so, you know what to do without a world.

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No, I have not, nor will ever play LoL or D3. Just not my cup of tea.

Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

 

 Nothing in the acronym MMO implies a world.  That is just something that is commonly associated with it.  All you need is a lot of people playing in an online game to be an MMO.

Yeh. MMO should be more inclusive.

Originally posted by AlBQuirky

 

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Originally posted by nariusseldon

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Originally posted by AlBQuirky

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Originally posted by Quirhid
As demonstrated by Planetarion (wikipedia link), Dominion and various other similar games where your planet, kingdom etc. is represented by a webpage(s) of numbers and stats. These games have everything they need to be called an MMO and the ones which have player characters in them (instead of planets or dominions) are fully fledged MMORPGs.

 

A lack of a world does not unmake an MMORPG and a "true MMORPG" (if you insist such a thing exists) does not need a world nor does it need to be a world simulation.

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What does one do without a world?

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Play in an instanced? have you played LOL, or Diablo 3? If so, you know what to do without a world.

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Is there earth beneath one's feet? Is there air that a PC breathes? Are there structures of any kind? Is there water or plant life? Are there other life forms besides the PC, ie: NPCs and/or PCs?

 

No, I have not, nor will ever play LoL or D3. Just not my cup of tea.

Even if you have not played those games, you know how those game plays, right? There is nothing requiring a virtual world to have fun in a game.

And no .. there is no earth beneath one's feet .. it is all graphics and imaginery, built to entertain. We are playing games, not living in another world.

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Originally posted by nariusseldon

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Originally posted by AlBQuirky  

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Originally posted by nariusseldon

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Originally posted by AlBQuirky

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Originally posted by Quirhid As demonstrated by Planetarion (wikipedia link), Dominion and various other similar games where your planet, kingdom etc. is represented by a webpage(s) of numbers and stats. These games have everything they need to be called an MMO and the ones which have player characters in them (instead of planets or dominions) are fully fledged MMORPGs.   A lack of a world does not unmake an MMORPG and a "true MMORPG" (if you insist such a thing exists) does not need a world nor does it need to be a world simulation.

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What does one do without a world?

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Play in an instanced? have you played LOL, or Diablo 3? If so, you know what to do without a world.

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Is there earth beneath one's feet? Is there air that a PC breathes? Are there structures of any kind? Is there water or plant life? Are there other life forms besides the PC, ie: NPCs and/or PCs?   No, I have not, nor will ever play LoL or D3. Just not my cup of tea.

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Even if you have not played those games, you know how those game plays, right? There is nothing requiring a virtual world to have fun in a game.

And no .. there is no earth beneath one's feet .. it is all graphics and imaginery, built to entertain. We are playing games, not living in another world.

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Originally posted by lizardbones


I'm not entirely sure that's what Quirhid is talking about. It seems like what they are saying is that you don't need a visual representation of a world, even if the world's existence is implied by the data or statistics you're being fed by the game.

 

It is a matter of definitions. The "usual" definition of a virtual world is a 3D representation of PCs and NPCs in a physical space (terrain).

However, if you want to redefine a vritual world as a common set of data (world state) that players can interact with, i have no objection. But note that under that definition, a AH qualifies as a world, so that will make D3 a virtual world game.

Now while I do believe that a world is not required for an MMO, in practical terms I'm not sure how it would be possible.  As soon as you have a room/area for people to interact with that is essentially a world/universe...  Whether it is a whole world or not, or just an instanced area is to me essentially a moot point.

Maybe a text based card game, hmm.

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

 

 Nothing in the acronym MMO implies a world.  That is just something that is commonly associated with it.  All you need is a lot of people playing in an online game to be an MMO.

Yeh. MMO should be more inclusive.

The first 'M' in MMO is massively - that doesn't mean 3 players - it means way more than that. My opinion is that it also means in one area, not different instances or games.

I was in GW2, last night, in Malchor's Leap with at least 50 other players doing a massive event. NOW THAT IS AN MMO. Myself and 3 other buddies in D3, that is NOT massive.

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

 

 Nothing in the acronym MMO implies a world.  That is just something that is commonly associated with it.  All you need is a lot of people playing in an online game to be an MMO.

Yeh. MMO should be more inclusive.

 Yes, Facebook is an MMO.

Originally posted by Iselin

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

 

 Nothing in the acronym MMO implies a world.  That is just something that is commonly associated with it.  All you need is a lot of people playing in an online game to be an MMO.

Yeh. MMO should be more inclusive.

 Yes, Facebook is an MMO.

 Yes it is.  Not a game, but it is an MMO.

Originally posted by botrytis

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

 

 Nothing in the acronym MMO implies a world.  That is just something that is commonly associated with it.  All you need is a lot of people playing in an online game to be an MMO.

Yeh. MMO should be more inclusive.

The first 'M' in MMO is massively - that doesn't mean 3 players - it means way more than that. My opinion is that it also means in one area, not different instances or games.

 

I was in GW2, last night, in Malchor's Leap with at least 50 other players doing a massive event. NOW THAT IS AN MMO. Myself and 3 other buddies in D3, that is NOT massive.

 3 players is not a lot.

Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

Originally posted by Iselin

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

 

 Nothing in the acronym MMO implies a world.  That is just something that is commonly associated with it.  All you need is a lot of people playing in an online game to be an MMO.

Yeh. MMO should be more inclusive.

 Yes, Facebook is an MMO.

 Yes it is.  Not a game, but it is an MMO.

 It could even be argued that it's also an RPG... there should be a forum here to discuss FB.

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by lizardbones


I'm not entirely sure that's what Quirhid is talking about. It seems like what they are saying is that you don't need a visual representation of a world, even if the world's existence is implied by the data or statistics you're being fed by the game.

 

It is a matter of definitions. The "usual" definition of a virtual world is a 3D representation of PCs and NPCs in a physical space (terrain).

However, if you want to redefine a vritual world as a common set of data (world state) that players can interact with, i have no objection. But note that under that definition, a AH qualifies as a world, so that will make D3 a virtual world game.

 

world and terrain are not the same thing. Every game has terrain of some sort not every game has a world. Think about the word WORLD. lol

I look forward to seeing you repeat your backwards opinion 8000 times in this thread while 99 percent of the people in here will disagree with you.

To the OP: Super obvious troll thread I see it has already been reported.

Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

I was in GW2, last night, in Malchor's Leap with at least 50 other players doing a massive event. NOW THAT IS AN MMO. Myself and 3 other buddies in D3, that is NOT massive.

 3 players is not a lot.

But you can group with any of the millions that play D3. That is no difference than when i was in WOW, i group with 4 other players, though there are millions to group with.

And if 50 is good enough for a MMO, then Battlefield 3 is a MMO.