Originally posted by DarknessReign

Originally posted by elocke

1.   Did you ever play FFXI and for how long?  Yes, off and on since 2003.   My first true MMO and always brings on nostalgia.

2.  Did you play V1 of FFXIV and for how long?  Yes, for about 2 months.  Couldn't get passed the boring combat, horrible UI and controls and lack of content.

3.   Did you play WoW and for how long?  Yes, off and on since 2004, my second favorite MMO of all time.  FFXI was my first.

4.  Be specific what aspects of FFXIV:ARR are like WoW ?  Questing for xp, the icon over the heads, jumping, hot bar usage with the mouse(yay!)

5.   Define what a "clone" is?  A copy or facsimile of a thing.  Usually defined by the same traits the original has/had.

6.   What specific aspects are like FFXI if any ?  Some of the job names are back.  Chocobos.  Moogles.  Materia.  The music!!

7.  Do you think it is fair to pass judgement on a game that is only in a alpha build?  Yes.  Technically this is a misnomer, as the engine was already built as well as many other aspects that went into FF14 v. 1, the only Alpha aspects are the new changes to the game.

8.  On a scale of one to ten rate your excitement to play ARR? 10

9.  Are you a Hard Core gamer or a casual one ?  Hybrid.  Some days I have the time, others I don't.

10.  How old are you ?  36, turning 37 next week.

A question of my own...Why does it bother you so much if someone claims it to be a WoW clone?  Last time I looked WoW is a pretty fun game and has a massive playerbase.  Everyone knows it's not a full clone they just use that term to piss people off because they just don't like themeparks.

I hate when people call things there not. Logic a game that made mega millions like WoW if a game like FF used parts of it to make a modern MMO how is that a bad thing? But people drive the point like OMG its been done before. Im always like well no Sh*T every game takes something from something. Like XI and WoW took from EQ . Both ended up being good games . XI is still kicking still 13$ a month 10 years later. That is the awnser to your question . Let me ask you a question based off your awnsers if i may . Do you think this will be a "best of both" in tearms of game play and the fun factor ? Aside from jumping and questing do you think it is a clone ? Or do you think it is FF with the right mix of modern day systems? Will it play like WoW or like a FF ? Im right there with you im not at a 10 yet but close. Having not played WoW to me like i say it is just FF modernized . Is that a fair assestment ?

Do I think it's a clone? No.  It's Final Fantasy.  There are no talent trees, that I know of, and crafting is no where near WoW's.

Do I think it's the best of both?  I hope so.  Time will tell of course, I haven't gotten a chance to play the new version, which is fine, it will make the release so much the sweeter, but until then I'm hopeful.

I think it's a fair assessment to say they are modernizing it using many of the staples we've come to expect, most of those stemming from what WoW did with the genre.  My only gripe, and it's a small one, is the yellow ! over the heads.  Not sure why they didn't keep it the blue and white kind from version 1.  I kind of hope they change the color scheme a bit more on the UI as well, as it looks a bit cheesy, hopefully it's something they are constantly working on.

Originally posted by zanfire

Originally posted by DarknessReign

Originally posted by Popori

How is any of this relevant to the game or if it is/isn't WOW-like in nature?  And what is wrong with being WoW-like?

This whole WoW-like nonsense seems to be another means of stirring the pot without anyone really questioning themselves over what they're actually upset over.  What inherently negative aspect does WoW-like-ism impart on a game?

Thats what i want to find out. WoW i never played it sold multi millions SO did FFXI not as huge as WoW but is still going . Im right there to so what if its like WoW is that really a bad thing? So why make it sound like a bad thing.

yes for the reasons i listed.

The reasons you listed apply to most if not all Themepark type games, not just WoW.  You would do better by just saying you want more sandbox aspects, which I can respect and maybe even agree with in some cases.

Originally posted by elocke

Originally posted by zanfire

Originally posted by DarknessReign

Originally posted by Popori

How is any of this relevant to the game or if it is/isn't WOW-like in nature?  And what is wrong with being WoW-like?

This whole WoW-like nonsense seems to be another means of stirring the pot without anyone really questioning themselves over what they're actually upset over.  What inherently negative aspect does WoW-like-ism impart on a game?

Thats what i want to find out. WoW i never played it sold multi millions SO did FFXI not as huge as WoW but is still going . Im right there to so what if its like WoW is that really a bad thing? So why make it sound like a bad thing.

yes for the reasons i listed.

The reasons you listed apply to most if not all Themepark type games, not just WoW.  You would do better by just saying you want more sandbox aspects, which I can respect and maybe even agree with in some cases.

True, but WoW is the game that basically made those things i dont like the standard....like the Wii brought in stupid motion controls. Hence why i find it WoW-like, because everyone considers it the standard.

Originally posted by DarknessReign

my awnsers

#1 Yes , and played for 9 years (Abyssea killed it for me )

#2 Yes, Until July 2011 after auto attack patch

#3 No , WoW never intrested me

#4 Im not sure because i never played WoW

#5 A "clone" is a  copy of something identical "copy"

#6 From what i noticed the combat is about the same but a bit faster then XI , Jobs/Classes are the same , Story/Lore , item slots and inv are about the same new touch of drag and drop . Chr choice .

#7 NO a alpha is less then 5% of the full game and the bare minimal in tearms of controls and control graphics . That and everything is subject to change and alpha is not a full finished product like a Beta 3 or open Beta. Its just a adaptation of the game.

#8 Im at about an 8.5 I played V1 it was ok . V2 looks great IMO so far.

#9 I guess im hard core i played XI almost every day Monday - Thursday for about 6 hours Friday - Saturday for about 18 Sunday about 16 . Total EG and HNMs .

#10 im 34 I have played Games since Atari 2600 . The first FF back in 1987 i was 9 it was on NES ( thats

nintendo) LOVE RPGS , and Shooters Got into MMOs by acident bought the HDD for PS2 just to play SOCOM2 HDD maps online FFXI came with the HDD so i gave it a try and i LOVED it!

So you never played WoW and yet you are upset that people are calling FFIV a WoW clone? Very mature.

If you had read any of the producers letters you would know that they are pretty much cut and pasting most of the functionality of WoW into FFIV.  This is why it is being labeled a WoW clone.  This doesnt make it a bad game, it just means it is going to be a user friendly themepark, which is what anyone following this revival should have expected.

This is a quote by the producer of FFIV:

"I think it would've been good if they tried seeing what happened if they turned World of Warcraft into Final Fantasy. So, because they tried only to make something that was 'different from FFXI,' they ended up with not much of anything.

"They should have said, 'Hey you, go play WoW for a year [for inspiration].'

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/11/27/yoshida-another-mistake-like-ff14-would-destroy-square

It is very publicly known that the producer is borrowing heavily from World of Warcraft, as he feels that is the direction the game should have gone in the first instance.

I'll bite.. and I'll be honest.

Originally posted by DarknessReign

People Are calling this a WoW clone . So i want to ask HOW is it a clone ? In detail please.

I Have some Questions that people can awnser PLEASE BE HONEST!

Question one Did you ever play FFXI and for how long? Yes, not sure how long, but not that long. I didn't like how much focus there was on grouping. Without a group, it was no fun. I enjoy a group but only when it's on my own terms and I chose to do it. Options are good. Don't see what this question has to do with the subject at hand though.

Question two Did you play V1 of FFXIV and for how long? I got into the private (24/7) alpha for FFXIV very very early on (played it all the way til the end of the (private) beta). There was another version of the beta that was available 24/7, I was in it. After investing a lot of time into it and really taking part in trying to improve the game they just ignored everything me and every other tester was suggesting. The game actually got WORSE post alpha, not better. I didn't buy the release version.. my brother did though so I checked it out a few times and it was almost exactly the same as the final beta version.

Question three Did you play WoW and for how long? I've played it numerous times for like 1-2 months at a time but never been 'hooked' on it like a lot of people have. Sometimes I've really enjoyed it but it never lasted.

Question four Be specific what aspects of FFXIV:ARR are like WoW ? From the videos it looks like you are doing almost the same sort of thing. There may be more to it.. but from what I've seen it just looks like it flows the same as WoW with different combat. Combat which looks more boring than WoW's. It might not be though. Have to try it. Same impression I got with TERA, same overall game as WoW with different combat.

Question five Define what a "clone" is? A WoW clone is a game where you feel like you are doing the same thing you have already done in WoW and all the other clones. I don't care about specifics, it's about my state of mind whilst playing. There can be some good clones out there though, I enjoy Rift for example.

Question six What specific aspects are like FFXI if any? I don't know.. nor do I see what that has to do with anything. You always stand still in combat..? Is that one? Is this game only going to be for people who played FFXI or summat?

Question seven Do you think it is fair to pass judgement on a game that is only in a alpha build? Based on my hands on experience with alpha testing of FF:XIV, definately. Based on a video? No. Plus, this is an alpha of a 'remake', not a new game.. that is an entirely different situation altogether.

Question eight On a scale of one to ten rate your excitement to play ARR? Probably 4.. I don't have high hopes for it. I want it to be good, I'm sure everyone does. I just don't expect it to be. I'll definately try it though and I hope I'm wrong cos I'd love a new decent FF game.

Question nine Are you a Hard Core gamer or a casual one? Have been either, depends what's going on in my life at the time.

Question ten How old are you? 30. This hasn't got any relevance and just shows you are ageist. If you can't respect the opinion of people from all walks of life then whats the point in asking for them? I know teenagers that are more mature than some 35 year olds. Age means nothing.

If you've never played a game like WoW.. then the first one you play will seem like a breath of fresh MMO air. You'll love it. What you need to realise though is that is why you can't understand why a WoW clone 'could' be a bad thing, the majority of WoW clones are bad for people who have properly played a game in that format already so evidence suggests that the chance of a WoW clone being good is not very high. Everything gets old eventually. To you it might be fresh, but to us it's stale. And that right there is the problem you are having. You can't comprehend our point of view so you refuse to accept it.

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Originally posted by DarknessReign

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Originally posted by Netspook

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Originally posted by DarknessReign People Are calling this a WoW clone . So i want to ask HOW is it a clone ? In detail please. I Have some Questions that people can awnser PLEASE BE HONEST! Question one Did you ever play FFXI and for how long? Question two Did you play V1 of FFXIV and for how long? Question three Did you play WoW and for how long? Question four Be specific what aspects of FFXIV:ARR are like WoW ? Question five Define what a "clone" is? Question six What specific aspects are like FFXI if any ? Question seven Do you think it is fair to pass judgement on a game that is only in a alpha build? Question eight On a scale of one to ten rate your excitement to play ARR? Question nine Are you a Hard Core gamer or a casual one ? Question ten How old are you ?    

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  Looking for new ways to "prove" how more of an expert you are, compared the rest of us? Not falling for it, try again.

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I dont see that the questions are not Fair. I ask both how is it like WoW , How is it like XI , How long did you play WoW , how long did you play Xi , XIV , The idea is to get an idea of the community and then we can pick eachothers brain on pros and cons rather then . THIS IS JUST LIKE WoW ohh man its going to suck ( based on what ) OR THIS IS NOT A WoW CLONE ( again based on what ) rather fair questions i think . There is no wrong awnser. I never played WoW so to me it looks like a modern MMO of FF . Maybe i want people opinion who have played Both . Maybe the people avoiding to awnser the questions ONLY played WoW ? Thats what i am starting to think

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Funny when your reposes pretty much say "your wrong" or invalidae their observations on the game.

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I think you should look over all the info i gathered for this game. There will be PvP Questing is limited once you do the quests and there done and switch to a new job/class the quests are still done. As for gear in XIV V1 they came from Drops off mobs not questing. In XI they came off Drops from mobs in ARR they will come from drops off mobs. Execpt the lowbe gear. In the Alpha quest and combat shows level 1 crafted items as a reward things you can make or buy or just get. Your NOT going to get the best of the best in a quest. Take some time and look over the INFO thread . As for my questions i am asking i want to get an idea on who really has played a FF MMO one and two who played BOTH WoW and FFXI . Every post saying its a WoW clone i dont see it. I see a updated game and more modern like any FPS CoD or BF there all the same but one gets upgraded and becomes modern. Same applies to MMOs . I think the Questions are valid . Im hiding nothing and was honest. I played V1 and XI . I want to know how different this community is in tearms of knowlegde about the FF franchise and V1 and XI or are they JUST going on playing WoW simple and fair

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I'm half convinced they are Rhetorical baiting questions.

Originally posted by DarknessReign

People Are calling this a WoW clone . So i want to ask HOW is it a clone ? In detail please.

The game isn't out yet, and there is an NDA.  All people can go by is what the producer has said so far.

I Have some Questions that people can awnser PLEASE BE HONEST!

Question one Did you ever play FFXI and for how long?

No.

Question two Did you play V1 of FFXIV and for how long?

No.

Question three Did you play WoW and for how long?

Vanilla Wow and a smattering of Cataclysm.

Question four Be specific what aspects of FFXIV:ARR are like WoW ?

Read what the producer wrote again.  Again, NDA and its in alpha, so who knows how it will end up.

Question five Define what a "clone" is?

That's a really asinine question.

Question six What specific aspects are like FFXI if any ?

You know this already.

Question seven Do you think it is fair to pass judgement on a game that is only in a alpha build?

Do you think its fair to be a rabid fanboi when the game hasn't been launched yet?

Question eight On a scale of one to ten rate your excitement to play ARR?

Irrelevant. 

Question nine Are you a Hard Core gamer or a casual one ?

Irrelevant.

Question ten How old are you ?

Irrelevant.  Age means nothings in regards to maturity, as you have clearly demonstrated.

 

 

Try being a little less defensive and protective about this game.  Go out and get some air.  You've turned this particular forum into an unhealthy obsession.

Originally posted by DarknessReign

People Are calling this a WoW clone . So i want to ask HOW is it a clone ? In detail please.

I Have some Questions that people can awnser PLEASE BE HONEST!

Question one Did you ever play FFXI and for how long?    approx.  3 weeks  :)  in 2009ish at the requests of freinds who were trying to "get back into it"

Question two Did you play V1 of FFXIV and for how long? 4 months of the free periods

Question three Did you play WoW and for how long? 2 months maybe

Question four Be specific what aspects of FFXIV:ARR are like WoW ? uh..its fantasy...it has people going from place to place.

Question five Define what a "clone" is?

 

 

1. A cell, group of cells, or organism that is descended from and genetically identical to a single common ancestor, such as a bacterial colony whose members arose from a single original cell.
2. An organism descended asexually from a single ancestor, such as a plant produced by layering or a polyp produced by budding.
3. A DNA sequence, such as a gene, that is transferred from one organism to another and replicated by genetic engineering techniques.
4. One that copies or closely resembles another, as in appearance or function: "filled with business-school clones in gray and blue suits" (Michael M. Thomas).

 

 

 

 :)  

Question six What specific aspects are like FFXI if any ?  Too unfamiliar with FFXI to say.  both made by square is all I can say off my head right now.

Question seven Do you think it is fair to pass judgement on a game that is only in a alpha build?  IMO...nah

Question eight On a scale of one to ten rate your excitement to play ARR? 9

Question nine Are you a Hard Core gamer or a casual one ?  IM a 'tardcore Casual. 

Question ten How old are you ? 39

 

 

Originally posted by apocoluster

Originally posted by DarknessReign

People Are calling this a WoW clone . So i want to ask HOW is it a clone ? In detail please.

I Have some Questions that people can awnser PLEASE BE HONEST!

Question one Did you ever play FFXI and for how long?    approx.  3 weeks  :)  in 2009ish at the requests of freinds who were trying to "get back into it"

Question two Did you play V1 of FFXIV and for how long? 4 months of the free periods

Question three Did you play WoW and for how long? 2 months maybe

Question four Be specific what aspects of FFXIV:ARR are like WoW ? uh..its fantasy...it has people going from place to place.

Question five Define what a "clone" is?

 

 

1. A cell, group of cells, or organism that is descended from and genetically identical to a single common ancestor, such as a bacterial colony whose members arose from a single original cell.
2. An organism descended asexually from a single ancestor, such as a plant produced by layering or a polyp produced by budding.
3. A DNA sequence, such as a gene, that is transferred from one organism to another and replicated by genetic engineering techniques.
4. One that copies or closely resembles another, as in appearance or function: "filled with business-school clones in gray and blue suits" (Michael M. Thomas).

 

 

 

 :)  

Question six What specific aspects are like FFXI if any ?  Too unfamiliar with FFXI to say.  both made by square is all I can say off my head right now.

Question seven Do you think it is fair to pass judgement on a game that is only in a alpha build?  IMO...nah

Question eight On a scale of one to ten rate your excitement to play ARR? 9

Question nine Are you a Hard Core gamer or a casual one ?  IM a 'tardcore Casual. 

Question ten How old are you ? 39

 

 

 

LOL, nice

Originally posted by DarknessReign
evilastro , do me a favor and look at the thread called All FFXIV ARR INFO found here , who started that thread ? who maintains that thread ? you assume to much. What I don't like is how people make the entire game to sound like it just totally copied WoW every aspect of it. That is not true. The same point I make that Call of Duity and say Battlefield have the same weapons , same controls , same general features , but different areas they set there games in.b No one calls it a clone and by this communitys standards just implementing a updated quest system like WoWs and a jump suddenly its a exact replica of WoW. so you miss interpreted what my questions are.

Your entire questionaire set out to be obnoxious and elitist.

I don't need to look at your thread, and it doesnt make you the authority on FFXIV, just makes you a fanboy.  You assume too much, I have a very good understanding of the state of the new game... for undisclosed reasons obviously.

What I dont like is people who argue for the sake of it when they dont even understand the arguement. Did you even read my post? You didnt play WoW, how would you know that it isnt a clone?

They have adopted from WoW very heavily for ARR. This isnt a bad thing, the User Interface and questing in the original version of FFIV were horrendous. I played WoW for I guess 2 years off and on. I also played FFXIV for a few months while it was free, but eventually couldnt even bear to bother with that. Also played FFXI for about a year and I can guarantee that FFXIV has more in common with WoW than FFXI, aside from the lore and world obviously. 

Too much drama and too many overreactions.  

People in this community will often:  

a) Hate on WoW for no logical reason 

b) call anything they dislike a "WoW clone"

It essentially comes down to this: "... this game has quests!  It's a WoW clone!"  Who cares if a community prone to blind hatred dislikes something you like?  Keep liking what you like.  The best way to ruin a game is to visit the forums for that game.  

Originally posted by TaoMcDohl

 The best way to ruin a game is to visit the forums for that game.  

 Somewhere in one of the threads here, I posted a gigantic post filled with all kinds of jarble and somewhere in there; I mentioned there was almost a harmful infighting particularly with the Final Fantasy crowd. And yeah everytime I felt a need for some lolz and such I'd go hit the forums up and watch people eat eachothers intestines. Sadly, it's the type of the thing that drives many away or is in some cases the last straw before the hopeful person says fck it and bails. That post dealt with a lot of topics, also about a fairly racist following of the game as well. I can't count how many times I personally would be trying to get in a group in FFXI and be told <English> <Thanks for the offer but I'll have to pass.>.

  I did a bit of research on XIV when it came out, and just thought omg, this looks awful. The fact these guys take the time to make this totally beautiful CGI scenes which have like NOTHING to do with the actual in game situations really irked me. And the name Eoarzia just rubbed me wrong from the get go. Seeing it spell out I was like do each of the letters mean something or is this just a bunch of random syllables that escaped somebodies mouth and they though it sounde.. oh it's a bunch of random syllables that somebody thought sounded cool together.

 I have been bent over more than a couple times by MMO companies and will never EVER pre-order or life time sub or any "insert expletives of choice" like that ever, I think the most recent wave of vomit inducing horse fecies to hit the market has re-affirmed that logic for me even moreso (SW:ToR is particularly foul). I will never fund a kickstarter, but I will follow a game, and rarely will I jump up and cast something down or brand it, until I've played it. In general I liked final fantasy, up until XIII most games were palatable for me. I even had a strange inkling to play XII from time to time even though before XIII I found it to be by far the worst in the series for it's butchering of the mmo style play into a single player set some macros up and go boil some ramen. Additionally the story of XII far and away was awful. I've seen people say VIII was awful story, and drawing sucked out the few enjoyable aspects of combat etc.. but XII was stupid. That you had to buy your gambits to set your macros up was beyond ball crushingly stupid imo; and money was a total cluster fck most of the time; liscense board was not my cup of tea either, Vaan.. you know I'll get off it, this is about XIV.

 WoWclone or not, it will stand or fall on it's own merits. Honestly I like most of what I've seen of ARR. I think adding jumping  but not having it used as a way to circumvent walking around a ledge is just sloppy/lazy, but not a game breaker for me. I'd rather have the option to jump around like a jack ass or walk like a jack ass as opposed to just walking like a jack ass. The combat still seems kinda lifeless to me. Although grapically the game is amazing it just seems kinda plasticy. I saw some voiced videos a while back, and saw a Taru Taru (not sure what the XIV version of that word is) talk and was put off by the Euro Trash voice acting he got. I just always imagined them to sound like angry kids or something. Again that they would take the time to put the polish on the game like CGI trailers and cut scenes is awesome. That they'd go and just demolish other aspects of play astounds me. It seems like priorities were all wrong before. Let's totally go for the WHOA factor and give them flashing lights and stuff and it will distract them enough so they won't see we forgot what makes an MMO an enjoyable MMO. I think at some point the people who were making this game stopped making the game players wanted to see and were making a game they thought they wanted to play, until they actually played it @ _@. Not sure if that makes sense. Anyhow I've drizzled enough of my bs on whoever is reading this eyes'. Overall I'm fascinated by it, and would like to play it.

Originally posted by KhinRunite

Have you been around here when SWTOR, GW2, and to lesser extents TERA and TSW are getting hyped? You should have seen this coming from a mile away to know better than to fight it. It's a cycle that every new (Themepark) MMO goes through.

Based on this video it really does feel like the traditional quest system WoW popularized. We all know that's not the entirety of the game, but what they've shown here screams of "traditional". Maybe they do have cutscenes on main quests, I don't know, but I hope they do.

I know it's huge and has been popular for a long time, but to be factual games like EQ popularized the questing hub system that WoW later adopted. Sometimes things become so big you can't see around them to remember there was stuff before it. Games like EQ and Ultima were the founding frame works for what later got implemented into the beast Blizaard created.

This gamer is one who wishes the questing hubs would go away. I enjoy the questing style in GW2 where I am encouraged to be an adventurer. It is enjoyable in games like that to have the quests play out infront of me with voice acting rather than walls of text. I am looking forward to playing ARR, but have my concerns with stuff like the questing in the game. There are many implementations in the game that I do enjoy the idea of, one being the NM fights and the ease of job switching.

People Are calling this a WoW clone . So i want to ask HOW is it a clone ? In detail please. Well i played wow for 1 hour and then unistalled the game ( not lieng). I played Tera wasn't bad but when i played their pet class I unistalled. What im trying to say is WoW and games that copy it went down the drain. But to the quest What i heard is the quests progression is exactly like wow. 

I Have some Questions that people can awnser PLEASE BE HONEST!

Question one Did you ever play FFXI and for how long? I played FF XI for 4 years

Question two Did you play V1 of FFXIV and for how long? Yes since the release of FFIV to end of trailer.

Question three Did you play WoW and for how long? HELL NO

Question four Be specific what aspects of FFXIV:ARR are like WoW ? The quest level progression. I think the whole quest idea is a bad move it feels like a copy and a dumb move. However i know these quest aren't a requirment to do to level or to progress to the main story.

Question five Define what a "clone" is? Copy of one self like a duplication of it. Like the iphone and the android for example.

Question six What specific aspects are like FFXI if any ? Hmmm the main core of the came is like FF XI. Like the magic/battle system. The class and jobs are as well. The chocobo raising system ( Some what an aspec most likely an improvement). The main aspect of the games "Avatars" or summons is directly related to the entire final fantasy franchise and XI. To be honest this has many things WoW does not so technically it isn't a clone of the game it just has the quest "SPAM" progression which is a bad move.

Question seven Do you think it is fair to pass judgement on a game that is only in a alpha build? Yes and No. yoshi was going to the right path with all the changes to 1.0. But he completely changed it what we imagined when they released the "2.0" speech that got everyone excited. What he should've done is kept the 1.0 feel with just all the newupdates from AAR. Which hes some what is doing don't get me wrong but when he copy something that people sees in almost every new MMO ( Starwars,Tera, and Raiderz) it just gonna make people think WTF? and that something is quest progression that where he shoul'dve stopped. HOWEVER the game still feels like final fantasy beside the quests. Now this is only alpha and i believe people will change his mind and make him remove the spam of quest and just leave the quest system as it was. But im going to "NO" the game is only in alpha people should just wait until the game is near end of beta before that shout out judgements.

Question nine Are you a Hard Core gamer or a casual one ? Guess im casual the only games I actually play is Final Fantasy MMO and Planetside nothing else.

Question ten How old are you ? 21.

Also so far the only thing they copied was  the "quest spam" Nothing else is similar to WoW. Now note this quest spam is optional. You can level the old fashion way like XI or do leves.

This is what ARR has that WoW doesn't

Primals

"Primal Avatars" / "Primal essance"

Housing

Chocobo Raising

Faith

Leve Quest

Armory System

Hamlet Defence

Relic Weapons

Grand Company

Airships

classes/jobs

Other things i can't think of right now and its only in alpha phase. 

Now Final Fantasy was a clone of everquest but it had its own core and many things everquest doesn't have. ARR is doing exactly that it adding element from wow and putting their own idea into the game not "CLONE TO THE MAX with just final fantasy skin".

This is a modern game, with a modern-ish/standard style quest system that a player may completely ignore if they so wish. 

Other viable (And possibly better) methods of leveling are the old group and grind, and guild leve's. Among others that I have not yet explored.

I urge everyone to remember that other paths of xp and leveling are indeed necessary with the armory and job system. While there are certainly a lot of quests available, I've not come across any that are repeatable. 

Calm the anti-hype train. AAR is a vast improvement over 1.0. Let's see how things turn out. 

I can't be bothered to answer your little questionare because it's completely pointless, but I will respond to the main question and a few things you've said. For starters, when XIV initially released, NOBODY called it a WoW clone. Everybody called it an awful game. The two games had nothing in common. Second, the way you've presented the question is accusatory and is asking for flames.

There are a few reason why people are calling ARR a WoW clone. The first one is because the producer made some statements about how they would look to WoW and modern MMO's to inform game design. Instead of making an original and "Final Fantasy" feeling MMO from the get-go, they are more concerned with feature parity  compared with the modern MMO market, which is a smart move, but one that will obviously make people suspicious and draw heavy criticism from the anti-WoW brigade.

Another reason is because of the latest video showing the incredibly typical ho-hum questing system we've seen for years. Yellow exclamation point offers you a quest. No need for exploration, just look at your map and head to the glowing area. Click on something, kill some stuff, collect some animal parts etc. Return to quest giver for money/XP/items. Rinse and repeat. FFXI had these types of quests that were totally unrelated to everything, but they were almost pointless to do aside from raising reputation. In ARR, they seem like they will fill a larger role.

The last and probably most frustrating reason for you is that people call everything that uses ideas from WoW a WoW clone. Some of them are trolling because people like you constantly feed them. Some of them just really really really REALLY hate WoW because it's "killing the genre" or some such over-emotional rhetoric.

The bottom line is that aside from some features that are considered standard for a themepark MMO, XIV ARR is not a WoW clone just like Rift and GW2 aren't WoW clones. It's an overused and often improperly used word especially on these forums, but I suspect you know that. I'm not expecting ARR to be a WoW clone, but I am expecting the game to have feature parity and offer what modern themeparks offer.

Originally posted by ezpz77

I can't be bothered to answer your little questionare because it's completely pointless, but I will respond to the main question and a few things you've said. For starters, when XIV initially released, NOBODY called it a WoW clone. Everybody called it an awful game. The two games had nothing in common. Second, the way you've presented the question is accusatory and is asking for flames.

 

There are a few reason why people are calling ARR a WoW clone. The first one is because the producer made some statements about how they would look to WoW and modern MMO's to inform game design. Instead of making an original and "Final Fantasy" feeling MMO from the get-go, they are more concerned with feature parity  compared with the modern MMO market, which is a smart move, but one that will obviously make people suspicious and draw heavy criticism from the anti-WoW brigade.

 

Another reason is because of the latest video showing the incredibly typical ho-hum questing system we've seen for years. Yellow exclamation point offers you a quest. No need for exploration, just look at your map and head to the glowing area. Click on something, kill some stuff, collect some animal parts etc. Return to quest giver for money/XP/items. Rinse and repeat. FFXI had these types of quests that were totally unrelated to everything, but they were almost pointless to do aside from raising reputation. In ARR, they seem like they will fill a larger role.

 

The last and probably most frustrating reason for you is that people call everything that uses ideas from WoW a WoW clone. Some of them are trolling because people like you constantly feed them. Some of them just really really really REALLY hate WoW because it's "killing the genre" or some such over-emotional rhetoric.

 

The bottom line is that aside from some features that are considered standard for a themepark MMO, XIV ARR is not a WoW clone just like Rift and GW2 aren't WoW clones. It's an overused and often improperly used word especially on these forums, but I suspect you know that. I'm not expecting ARR to be a WoW clone, but I am expecting the game to have feature parity and offer what modern themeparks offer.

 

Well put.