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  superniceguy

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NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

12/06/12 6:40:58 AM#41
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by DSWBeef
Oh for the love of. If a game isnt making money or only making enough to support itself then why wouldnt they shut it down. I love Tabula Rasa but im not on some crusade against ncsoft becuase its gone.

Exactly. If anything, NCSoft has a history of keeping MMOs running long after most other comapnies would have shut them down - Auto Assault, Exteel, and Dungeon Runners are examples of that. None of those three would have lasted half as long as they did under some other publishers.

Boycott NCSoft? There's got to be better uses of one's time.

 

Rubbish!

If NC Soft had vanguard they would have shut that down in 2009. If SOE had any of NC Soft games, then they would still be running today, including TR and AA

If you are a Korean then they may keep games running longer than most or the same time as most, but the reason why NC Soft shuts down games sooner than most in NA and EU is because they focus on the Koreans mostly. Lineage 1 is still up and running in Korea, but not in NA and EU.

It is not just the shutting down of games, but the bad unreasoanble business practices they do. They shut down TR just so they could stick it to Richard Garriott, COH was shut down despite making profit, and they offered to sell the COH IP but under unreasonable demands, which resulted in no sale.

 

  therain93

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OP  12/06/12 7:03:31 AM#42
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by DSWBeef
Oh for the love of. If a game isnt making money or only making enough to support itself then why wouldnt they shut it down. I love Tabula Rasa but im not on some crusade against ncsoft becuase its gone.

Exactly. If anything, NCSoft has a history of keeping MMOs running long after most other comapnies would have shut them down - Auto Assault, Exteel, and Dungeon Runners are examples of that. None of those three would have lasted half as long as they did under some other publishers.

Boycott NCSoft? There's got to be better uses of one's time.

 

Rubbish!

If NC Soft had vanguard they would have shut that down in 2009. If SOE had any of NC Soft games, then they would still be running today, including TR and AA

If you are a Korean then they may keep games running longer than most or the same time as most, but the reason why NC Soft shuts down games sooner than most in NA and EU is because they focus on the Koreans mostly. Lineage 1 is still up and running in Korea, but not in NA and EU.

It is not just the shutting down of games, but the bad unreasoanble business practices they do. They shut down TR just so they could stick it to Richard Garriott, COH was shut down despite making profit, and they offered to sell the COH IP but under unreasonable demands, which resulted in no sale.

 

I just want to add that, although Auto Assault was not profitable, according to a Warcry interview with the Net Devil CEO, they "couldn't come to an agreement" with NCsoft to buy it back.

  Purutzil

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Joined: 10/02/11
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12/06/12 7:08:53 AM#43
Wait... you would focus on NCsoft? its not perfect but its by far a lot better then a lot of other publishers out there, aka EA to name a big one.
  Loktofeit

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Joined: 1/13/10
Posts: 11357

Currently playing EVE, SMITE, ESO, and Combat Arms

12/06/12 7:18:45 AM#44
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by DSWBeef
Oh for the love of. If a game isnt making money or only making enough to support itself then why wouldnt they shut it down. I love Tabula Rasa but im not on some crusade against ncsoft becuase its gone.

Exactly. If anything, NCSoft has a history of keeping MMOs running long after most other comapnies would have shut them down - Auto Assault, Exteel, and Dungeon Runners are examples of that. None of those three would have lasted half as long as they did under some other publishers.

Boycott NCSoft? There's got to be better uses of one's time.

Rubbish!

If NC Soft had vanguard they would have shut that down in 2009.

Speculation, at best. There's no data to support that.

If SOE had any of NC Soft games, then they would still be running today, including TR and AA

See above. BTW, I like your SWG logo avatar.

If you are a Korean then they may keep games running longer than most or the same time as most, but the reason why NC Soft shuts down games sooner than most in NA and EU is because they focus on the Koreans mostly. Lineage 1 is still up and running in Korea, but not in NA and EU.

It's up and running in Korea because people still play it there. Are you saying they should keep running, localizing and updating a game for an audience that doesn't exist? Is there a massive isometric fanbase among the NA/EU MMO crowd that's being overlooked here?

It is not just the shutting down of games, but the bad unreasoanble business practices they do. They shut down TR just so they could stick it to Richard Garriott, COH was shut down despite making profit, and they offered to sell the COH IP but under unreasonable demands, which resulted in no sale.

More speculation that it's unreasonable business practices. I think NCSoft would have a better idea of how financially sound the decisions were than you do.

"Rubbish!"

Look, it's obvious you're upset your favorite games are no longer running. I ask that you look through your list of why my post is 'rubbish' and really consider whether those are factual reasons why my post is 'rubbish' or jaded rationalizations. Since I know you're probably going to go there... CoH was making a profit. I am not saying that is false, at all. However there are more factors involved in every business decision including the determination as to whether or not something is the best use of a company's resources.

  superniceguy

Elite Member

Joined: 2/17/07
Posts: 2227

NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

12/06/12 7:19:32 AM#45
Originally posted by Purutzil
Wait... you would focus on NCsoft? its not perfect but its by far a lot better then a lot of other publishers out there, aka EA to name a big one.

That is true, EA do shut down a lot of online servers to single player games.

The OP can focus on NC Soft, why don't you focus on EA?

Hopefully though from this boycott that ALL publishers will think twice about shutting down online services, including EA, and also reduce / prevent lay off. Even with COH closing,  they still had to lay off more staff.

 

  Loktofeit

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Joined: 1/13/10
Posts: 11357

Currently playing EVE, SMITE, ESO, and Combat Arms

12/06/12 7:22:49 AM#46

I'm interested in seeing how many 'boycottncsoft' people will remember this mission when they buy their preorders of Wildstar and Blade & Soul.

 

  superniceguy

Elite Member

Joined: 2/17/07
Posts: 2227

NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

12/06/12 7:28:54 AM#47
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by DSWBeef
Oh for the love of. If a game isnt making money or only making enough to support itself then why wouldnt they shut it down. I love Tabula Rasa but im not on some crusade against ncsoft becuase its gone.

Exactly. If anything, NCSoft has a history of keeping MMOs running long after most other comapnies would have shut them down - Auto Assault, Exteel, and Dungeon Runners are examples of that. None of those three would have lasted half as long as they did under some other publishers.

Boycott NCSoft? There's got to be better uses of one's time.

Rubbish!

If NC Soft had vanguard they would have shut that down in 2009.

Speculation, at best. There's no data to support that.

If SOE had any of NC Soft games, then they would still be running today, including TR and AA

See above. BTW, I like your SWG logo avatar.

If you are a Korean then they may keep games running longer than most or the same time as most, but the reason why NC Soft shuts down games sooner than most in NA and EU is because they focus on the Koreans mostly. Lineage 1 is still up and running in Korea, but not in NA and EU.

It's up and running in Korea because people still play it there. Are you saying they should keep running, localizing and updating a game for an audience that doesn't exist? Is there a massive isometric fanbase among the NA/EU MMO crowd that's being overlooked here?

It is not just the shutting down of games, but the bad unreasoanble business practices they do. They shut down TR just so they could stick it to Richard Garriott, COH was shut down despite making profit, and they offered to sell the COH IP but under unreasonable demands, which resulted in no sale.

More speculation that it's unreasonable business practices. I think NCSoft would have a better idea of how financially sound the decisions were than you do.

"Rubbish!"

Look, it's obvious you're upset your favorite games are no longer running. I ask that you look through your list of why my post is 'rubbish' and really consider whether those are factual reasons why my post is 'rubbish' or jaded rationalizations. Since I know you're probably going to go there... CoH was making a profit. I am not saying that is false, at all. However there are more factors involved in every business decision including the determination as to whether or not something is the best use of a company's resources.

It is mainly rubbish because games really do not last that long at all under NC Soft mainly in NA/EU. Any game can get shut down in NA/EU whilst under NC Soft as Korea is where their priorities lie. Any NA/EU company would be able to keep their games running longer, because their priorites will be with NA/EU and not Korea

NC Soft are heading towards bankruptcy. The closure of COH plus the whole of Pargon Studios laid off has left with a PR black eye, and they also require more layoffs so soon = bad business practice. Surely the closue would have saved some jobs for a bit longer?

NC Soft best course of action is to sell their IPs to a NA/EU company, and they just focus their attention to the Korean market.

http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index.php/topic,6267.0.html

Fifth of all, I am not giving up hope that we'll still be able to acquire City of Heroes at some point. Right now, NCsoft is suffering a massive PR black eye (gee, really?) for their unwillingness to sell or license the IP for reasonable terms. I've heard some of the terms they were demanding, and they really are unreasonable. Needless to say, claiming that they had "exhausted all efforts" was disingenuous at best. People have been taking to their Facebook, Twitter, and other public pages to let the larger gaming community know what's going on. While I'm not directly leading those efforts, as a gamer myself, I have been encouraging people to share how they feel to other communities so that even if City of Heroes can't be saved, it gives game publishers a heavy dose of reality to chew on.

And speaking of NCsoft, they're not doing so well right now. Their stock price is currently down to 169,000 KRW. The 52-week low? That's right, 169,000 KRW. They are a whopping 52.5% off their 52-week high and have been consistently falling almost since the closure of City of Heroes was announced. While I don't think that investors care so much about City of Heroes specifically, I do think that they are taking note that it represents NCsoft's floundering presence in the North American market. While Guild Wars 2 launched to much fanfare, I honestly don't think it will be the stable long-term source of income that City of Heroes was, and there is a lot of negative attention being given to Blade and Soul even before it launches.

I mention all of this because if NCsoft goes bankrupt or is sold to some kind of holding company, there's a distinct possibility that the IP and/or code base could be acquired at liquidation or fire sale price. It's definitely something that we are keeping a very close eye on and hopeful about.

 

  Loktofeit

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Joined: 1/13/10
Posts: 11357

Currently playing EVE, SMITE, ESO, and Combat Arms

12/06/12 7:37:31 AM#48
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by DSWBeef
Oh for the love of. If a game isnt making money or only making enough to support itself then why wouldnt they shut it down. I love Tabula Rasa but im not on some crusade against ncsoft becuase its gone.

Exactly. If anything, NCSoft has a history of keeping MMOs running long after most other comapnies would have shut them down - Auto Assault, Exteel, and Dungeon Runners are examples of that. None of those three would have lasted half as long as they did under some other publishers.

Boycott NCSoft? There's got to be better uses of one's time.

Rubbish!

If NC Soft had vanguard they would have shut that down in 2009.

Speculation, at best. There's no data to support that.

If SOE had any of NC Soft games, then they would still be running today, including TR and AA

See above. BTW, I like your SWG logo avatar.

If you are a Korean then they may keep games running longer than most or the same time as most, but the reason why NC Soft shuts down games sooner than most in NA and EU is because they focus on the Koreans mostly. Lineage 1 is still up and running in Korea, but not in NA and EU.

It's up and running in Korea because people still play it there. Are you saying they should keep running, localizing and updating a game for an audience that doesn't exist? Is there a massive isometric fanbase among the NA/EU MMO crowd that's being overlooked here?

It is not just the shutting down of games, but the bad unreasoanble business practices they do. They shut down TR just so they could stick it to Richard Garriott, COH was shut down despite making profit, and they offered to sell the COH IP but under unreasonable demands, which resulted in no sale.

More speculation that it's unreasonable business practices. I think NCSoft would have a better idea of how financially sound the decisions were than you do.

"Rubbish!"

Look, it's obvious you're upset your favorite games are no longer running. I ask that you look through your list of why my post is 'rubbish' and really consider whether those are factual reasons why my post is 'rubbish' or jaded rationalizations. Since I know you're probably going to go there... CoH was making a profit. I am not saying that is false, at all. However there are more factors involved in every business decision including the determination as to whether or not something is the best use of a company's resources.

It is mainly rubbish because games really do not last that long at all under NC Soft mainly in NA/EU. Any game can get shut down in NA/EU whilst under NC Soft as Korea is where their priorities lie. Any NA/EU company would be able to keep their games running longer, because their priorites will be with NA/EU and not Korea

NC Soft are heading towards bankruptcy. The closure of COH plus the whole of Pargon Studios laid off has left with a PR black eye, and they also require more layoffs so soon = bad business practice. Surely the closue would have saved some jobs for a bit longer?

NC Soft best course of action is to sell their IPs to a NA/EU company, and they just focus their attention to the Korean market.

http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index.php/topic,6267.0.html

Fifth of all, I am not giving up hope that we'll still be able to acquire City of Heroes at some point. Right now, NCsoft is suffering a massive PR black eye (gee, really?) for their unwillingness to sell or license the IP for reasonable terms. I've heard some of the terms they were demanding, and they really are unreasonable. Needless to say, claiming that they had "exhausted all efforts" was disingenuous at best. People have been taking to their Facebook, Twitter, and other public pages to let the larger gaming community know what's going on. While I'm not directly leading those efforts, as a gamer myself, I have been encouraging people to share how they feel to other communities so that even if City of Heroes can't be saved, it gives game publishers a heavy dose of reality to chew on.

And speaking of NCsoft, they're not doing so well right now. Their stock price is currently down to 169,000 KRW. The 52-week low? That's right, 169,000 KRW. They are a whopping 52.5% off their 52-week high and have been consistently falling almost since the closure of City of Heroes was announced. While I don't think that investors care so much about City of Heroes specifically, I do think that they are taking note that it represents NCsoft's floundering presence in the North American market. While Guild Wars 2 launched to much fanfare, I honestly don't think it will be the stable long-term source of income that City of Heroes was, and there is a lot of negative attention being given to Blade and Soul even before it launches.

I mention all of this because if NCsoft goes bankrupt or is sold to some kind of holding company, there's a distinct possibility that the IP and/or code base could be acquired at liquidation or fire sale price. It's definitely something that we are keeping a very close eye on and hopeful about.

 

I wish you luck in your crusade, sir.

  Moe4871

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12/06/12 7:51:57 AM#49

What surprises me is that NCSoft is all of a sudden a "shitty" company because they closed CoH. I mean, they aren't the best, but no MMO gamer doesn't know the name. NCSoft has served as a decent gateway for most to get onto the online gaming scene. CoH was my first MMO. I enjoyed it, and it still is my favorite MMO. I'm sad it's gone, but decisions are made whether you should respect them or not.

All these movements just to hurt NCSoft is not only retarded, but is selfish. Seriously, how can anyone be so hypocritical? They lose their game and care nothing about people playing current NCSoft games, and wants them to suffer.

NCSoft has already lost money closing CoH. A price to pay. What MORE do you want? Bankrupcy? Pathethic. Any kind of vengeance sparked from the game's closure contradicts the claim that City of Heroes held one of the best communities in an MMO. Hell, I still wanna believe it. But just because the game is gone doesn't mean you should lose face. Unless you're saying the game influences how you act? Puppetry.

Find a new home. There will never be another CoH. Nothing you do or say will bring it back. Boycotting NCSoft will not get rid of the pain, nor will it avenge CoH. What NCSoft did wasn't wrong, and all of you are just being big babies about it all, and I'm disgusted. I don't know ANY of you anymore. I really didn't think you guys were serious, but for you to make a website specificly to boycott a company, let alone a Korean company? What the HELL is the matter with you?!

If NCSoft didn't care about the West, then why in the hell should it matter if Western fans boycott? Right, it's all just a waste of time. It's like boycotting McDonald's for making you obese. Not only do they not give a damn, your efforts sure as hell won't give way.

Believe it or not, City of Heroes failed to deliver. You can bring up the "CoH was still making money!" hoo-haw all you want, but as a company, sacrifices must be met in order to prepare for greater profitable measures.

Take your ass to the Titan Network and help develop a successor rather than wasting your time telling everyone how bad NCSoft is.

  User Deleted
12/06/12 7:57:25 AM#50

"NCsoft has been drawing negative publicity, including a scathing article about the shutdown from local news site The Korea Times, noting that the game was earning $2.76 million per quarter and that 'it is hard to comprehend what NCsoft means when they say they closed it for strategic reasons.' NCsoft's stock price has fallen over 43% since the announcement in August, almost 30% below its previous 52-week low, right when investors were counting on the success of the recently launched Guild Wars 2 to help boost the company."

I got this off of:

http://games.slashdot.org/story/12/12/05/1844208/city-of-heroes-reaches-sunset-ncsoft-paying-the-price

I hope the rats at NCSoft get what they have given. Sure is rotten how they have behaved. Shame

  User Deleted
12/06/12 7:58:12 AM#51

I must be one of the few that prefer Ncsoft over other developers, i playd lots of theyr games and loved theyr old policy that they gave out expansions for free to all theyr sub games.

Coh is among the few that gave out paid expansions but i was never into that game much. i playd it for a few months way way back.

  superniceguy

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Joined: 2/17/07
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12/06/12 7:59:35 AM#52
Originally posted by Moe4871

What surprises me is that NCSoft is all of a sudden a "shitty" company because they closed CoH. I mean, they aren't the best, but no MMO gamer doesn't know the name. NCSoft has served as a decent gateway for most to get onto the online gaming scene. CoH was my first MMO. I enjoyed it, and it still is my favorite MMO. I'm sad it's gone, but decisions are made whether you should respect them or not.

All these movements just to hurt NCSoft is not only retarded, but is selfish. Seriously, how can anyone be so hypocritical? They lose their game and care nothing about people playing current NCSoft games, and wants them to suffer.

NCSoft has already lost money closing CoH. A price to pay. What MORE do you want? Bankrupcy? Pathethic. Any kind of vengeance sparked from the game's closure contradicts the claim that City of Heroes held one of the best communities in an MMO. Hell, I still wanna believe it. But just because the game is gone doesn't mean you should lose face. Unless you're saying the game influences how you act? Puppetry.

Find a new home. There will never be another CoH. Nothing you do or say will bring it back. Boycotting NCSoft will not get rid of the pain, nor will it avenge CoH. What NCSoft did wasn't wrong, and all of you are just being big babies about it all, and I'm disgusted. I don't know ANY of you anymore. I really didn't think you guys were serious, but for you to make a website specificly to boycott a company, let alone a Korean company? What the HELL is the matter with you?!

If NCSoft didn't care about the West, then why in the hell should it matter if Western fans boycott? Right, it's all just a waste of time. It's like boycotting McDonald's for making you obese. Not only do they not give a damn, your efforts sure as hell won't give way.

Believe it or not, City of Heroes failed to deliver. You can bring up the "CoH was still making money!" hoo-haw all you want, but as a company, sacrifices must be met in order to prepare for greater profitable measures.

Take your ass to the Titan Network and help develop a successor rather than wasting your time telling everyone how bad NCSoft is.

It is not about City of Heroes. NC Soft do not care about the NA/EU market at all.

They are heading to bankruptcy with or without a boycott, but hopefully a boycott will make them wake up, and change their ways, and prevent them heading into bankruptcy and laying off staff. If COH was about saving money, then that failed when MORE staff just got layed off.

At the end of the day I do not have any confidence in playing any NC Soft MMOs, as what they do makes no sense. Playing their games now is just a waste of time and money.

  TsaboHavoc

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12/06/12 8:02:02 AM#53
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by DSWBeef
Oh for the love of. If a game isnt making money or only making enough to support itself then why wouldnt they shut it down. I love Tabula Rasa but im not on some crusade against ncsoft becuase its gone.

Exactly. If anything, NCSoft has a history of keeping MMOs running long after most other comapnies would have shut them down - Auto Assault, Exteel, and Dungeon Runners are examples of that. None of those three would have lasted half as long as they did under some other publishers.

Boycott NCSoft? There's got to be better uses of one's time.

Rubbish!

If NC Soft had vanguard they would have shut that down in 2009.

Speculation, at best. There's no data to support that.

If SOE had any of NC Soft games, then they would still be running today, including TR and AA

See above. BTW, I like your SWG logo avatar.

If you are a Korean then they may keep games running longer than most or the same time as most, but the reason why NC Soft shuts down games sooner than most in NA and EU is because they focus on the Koreans mostly. Lineage 1 is still up and running in Korea, but not in NA and EU.

It's up and running in Korea because people still play it there. Are you saying they should keep running, localizing and updating a game for an audience that doesn't exist? Is there a massive isometric fanbase among the NA/EU MMO crowd that's being overlooked here?

It is not just the shutting down of games, but the bad unreasoanble business practices they do. They shut down TR just so they could stick it to Richard Garriott, COH was shut down despite making profit, and they offered to sell the COH IP but under unreasonable demands, which resulted in no sale.

More speculation that it's unreasonable business practices. I think NCSoft would have a better idea of how financially sound the decisions were than you do.

"Rubbish!"

Look, it's obvious you're upset your favorite games are no longer running. I ask that you look through your list of why my post is 'rubbish' and really consider whether those are factual reasons why my post is 'rubbish' or jaded rationalizations. Since I know you're probably going to go there... CoH was making a profit. I am not saying that is false, at all. However there are more factors involved in every business decision including the determination as to whether or not something is the best use of a company's resources.

It is mainly rubbish because games really do not last that long at all under NC Soft mainly in NA/EU. Any game can get shut down in NA/EU whilst under NC Soft as Korea is where their priorities lie. Any NA/EU company would be able to keep their games running longer, because their priorites will be with NA/EU and not Korea

NC Soft are heading towards bankruptcy. The closure of COH plus the whole of Pargon Studios laid off has left with a PR black eye, and they also require more layoffs so soon = bad business practice. Surely the closue would have saved some jobs for a bit longer?

NC Soft best course of action is to sell their IPs to a NA/EU company, and they just focus their attention to the Korean market.

http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index.php/topic,6267.0.html

Fifth of all, I am not giving up hope that we'll still be able to acquire City of Heroes at some point. Right now, NCsoft is suffering a massive PR black eye (gee, really?) for their unwillingness to sell or license the IP for reasonable terms. I've heard some of the terms they were demanding, and they really are unreasonable. Needless to say, claiming that they had "exhausted all efforts" was disingenuous at best. People have been taking to their Facebook, Twitter, and other public pages to let the larger gaming community know what's going on. While I'm not directly leading those efforts, as a gamer myself, I have been encouraging people to share how they feel to other communities so that even if City of Heroes can't be saved, it gives game publishers a heavy dose of reality to chew on.

And speaking of NCsoft, they're not doing so well right now. Their stock price is currently down to 169,000 KRW. The 52-week low? That's right, 169,000 KRW. They are a whopping 52.5% off their 52-week high and have been consistently falling almost since the closure of City of Heroes was announced. While I don't think that investors care so much about City of Heroes specifically, I do think that they are taking note that it represents NCsoft's floundering presence in the North American market. While Guild Wars 2 launched to much fanfare, I honestly don't think it will be the stable long-term source of income that City of Heroes was, and there is a lot of negative attention being given to Blade and Soul even before it launches.

I mention all of this because if NCsoft goes bankrupt or is sold to some kind of holding company, there's a distinct possibility that the IP and/or code base could be acquired at liquidation or fire sale price. It's definitely something that we are keeping a very close eye on and hopeful about.

 

I wish you luck in your crusade, sir.

Their stock price iscurrently down to 169,000 KRW. The 52-week low? That's right, 169,000 KRW. They are a whopping 52.5%.

  botrytis

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Joined: 1/04/05
Posts: 2445

12/06/12 8:05:09 AM#54
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Moe4871

What surprises me is that NCSoft is all of a sudden a "shitty" company because they closed CoH. I mean, they aren't the best, but no MMO gamer doesn't know the name. NCSoft has served as a decent gateway for most to get onto the online gaming scene. CoH was my first MMO. I enjoyed it, and it still is my favorite MMO. I'm sad it's gone, but decisions are made whether you should respect them or not.

All these movements just to hurt NCSoft is not only retarded, but is selfish. Seriously, how can anyone be so hypocritical? They lose their game and care nothing about people playing current NCSoft games, and wants them to suffer.

NCSoft has already lost money closing CoH. A price to pay. What MORE do you want? Bankrupcy? Pathethic. Any kind of vengeance sparked from the game's closure contradicts the claim that City of Heroes held one of the best communities in an MMO. Hell, I still wanna believe it. But just because the game is gone doesn't mean you should lose face. Unless you're saying the game influences how you act? Puppetry.

Find a new home. There will never be another CoH. Nothing you do or say will bring it back. Boycotting NCSoft will not get rid of the pain, nor will it avenge CoH. What NCSoft did wasn't wrong, and all of you are just being big babies about it all, and I'm disgusted. I don't know ANY of you anymore. I really didn't think you guys were serious, but for you to make a website specificly to boycott a company, let alone a Korean company? What the HELL is the matter with you?!

If NCSoft didn't care about the West, then why in the hell should it matter if Western fans boycott? Right, it's all just a waste of time. It's like boycotting McDonald's for making you obese. Not only do they not give a damn, your efforts sure as hell won't give way.

Believe it or not, City of Heroes failed to deliver. You can bring up the "CoH was still making money!" hoo-haw all you want, but as a company, sacrifices must be met in order to prepare for greater profitable measures.

Take your ass to the Titan Network and help develop a successor rather than wasting your time telling everyone how bad NCSoft is.

It is not about City of Heroes. NC Soft do not care about the NA/EU market at all.

They are heading to bankruptcy with or without a boycott, but hopefully a boycott will make them wake up, and change their ways, and prevent them heading into bankruptcy and laying off staff. If COH was about saving money, then that failed when MORE staff just got layed off.

At the end of the day I do not have any confidence in playing any NC Soft MMOs, as what they do makes no sense. Playing their games now is just a waste of time and money.

How is NCSoft going to bankruptcy? If you are talking about the lower amount of revenue, all the game publishers are having the same issue. That is a non-starter argument. Remember they make more money in Korea and the Far East than they do here.

 

All games are really a waste of time and money - that is the point. I mean, entertainment is supposed to do that.

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  User Deleted
12/06/12 8:06:19 AM#55
Originally posted by Moe4871

What surprises me is that NCSoft is all of a sudden a "shitty" company because they closed CoH. I mean, they aren't the best, but no MMO gamer doesn't know the name. NCSoft has served as a decent gateway for most to get onto the online gaming scene. CoH was my first MMO. I enjoyed it, and it still is my favorite MMO. I'm sad it's gone, but decisions are made whether you should respect them or not.

All these movements just to hurt NCSoft is not only retarded, but is selfish. Seriously, how can anyone be so hypocritical? They lose their game and care nothing about people playing current NCSoft games, and wants them to suffer.

NCSoft has already lost money closing CoH. A price to pay. What MORE do you want? Bankrupcy? Pathethic. Any kind of vengeance sparked from the game's closure contradicts the claim that City of Heroes held one of the best communities in an MMO. Hell, I still wanna believe it. But just because the game is gone doesn't mean you should lose face. Unless you're saying the game influences how you act? Puppetry.

Find a new home. There will never be another CoH. Nothing you do or say will bring it back. Boycotting NCSoft will not get rid of the pain, nor will it avenge CoH. What NCSoft did wasn't wrong, and all of you are just being big babies about it all, and I'm disgusted. I don't know ANY of you anymore. I really didn't think you guys were serious, but for you to make a website specificly to boycott a company, let alone a Korean company? What the HELL is the matter with you?!

If NCSoft didn't care about the West, then why in the hell should it matter if Western fans boycott? Right, it's all just a waste of time. It's like boycotting McDonald's for making you obese. Not only do they not give a damn, your efforts sure as hell won't give way.

Believe it or not, City of Heroes failed to deliver. You can bring up the "CoH was still making money!" hoo-haw all you want, but as a company, sacrifices must be met in order to prepare for greater profitable measures.

Take your ass to the Titan Network and help develop a successor rather than wasting your time telling everyone how bad NCSoft is.

I think you're missing the point. As much as I personally think, as well as many others on these forums might agree, that NCSoft does indeed owe me something is beside all this. We live in an age that when big companies burn groups of people, online information sharing makes it possible to hold those companies accountable. I believe all these gents and gals are trying to do is educate the more general MMO audience regarding their experience with them. 

  superniceguy

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Joined: 2/17/07
Posts: 2227

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12/06/12 9:46:33 AM#56
Originally posted by botrytis
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Moe4871

What surprises me is that NCSoft is all of a sudden a "shitty" company because they closed CoH. I mean, they aren't the best, but no MMO gamer doesn't know the name. NCSoft has served as a decent gateway for most to get onto the online gaming scene. CoH was my first MMO. I enjoyed it, and it still is my favorite MMO. I'm sad it's gone, but decisions are made whether you should respect them or not.

All these movements just to hurt NCSoft is not only retarded, but is selfish. Seriously, how can anyone be so hypocritical? They lose their game and care nothing about people playing current NCSoft games, and wants them to suffer.

NCSoft has already lost money closing CoH. A price to pay. What MORE do you want? Bankrupcy? Pathethic. Any kind of vengeance sparked from the game's closure contradicts the claim that City of Heroes held one of the best communities in an MMO. Hell, I still wanna believe it. But just because the game is gone doesn't mean you should lose face. Unless you're saying the game influences how you act? Puppetry.

Find a new home. There will never be another CoH. Nothing you do or say will bring it back. Boycotting NCSoft will not get rid of the pain, nor will it avenge CoH. What NCSoft did wasn't wrong, and all of you are just being big babies about it all, and I'm disgusted. I don't know ANY of you anymore. I really didn't think you guys were serious, but for you to make a website specificly to boycott a company, let alone a Korean company? What the HELL is the matter with you?!

If NCSoft didn't care about the West, then why in the hell should it matter if Western fans boycott? Right, it's all just a waste of time. It's like boycotting McDonald's for making you obese. Not only do they not give a damn, your efforts sure as hell won't give way.

Believe it or not, City of Heroes failed to deliver. You can bring up the "CoH was still making money!" hoo-haw all you want, but as a company, sacrifices must be met in order to prepare for greater profitable measures.

Take your ass to the Titan Network and help develop a successor rather than wasting your time telling everyone how bad NCSoft is.

It is not about City of Heroes. NC Soft do not care about the NA/EU market at all.

They are heading to bankruptcy with or without a boycott, but hopefully a boycott will make them wake up, and change their ways, and prevent them heading into bankruptcy and laying off staff. If COH was about saving money, then that failed when MORE staff just got layed off.

At the end of the day I do not have any confidence in playing any NC Soft MMOs, as what they do makes no sense. Playing their games now is just a waste of time and money.

How is NCSoft going to bankruptcy? If you are talking about the lower amount of revenue, all the game publishers are having the same issue. That is a non-starter argument. Remember they make more money in Korea and the Far East than they do here.

 

All games are really a waste of time and money - that is the point. I mean, entertainment is supposed to do that.

I said they are heading to bankruptcy. That does not mean they will go bankrupt, it all depends on what they do to save themselves, but so far they are not doing a good job, as thie revenue is still going down, despite closing COH, and laying off staff. If their revnue keeps going down, you will probably see more NA/EU game closures first, before bankruptcy

Games are not a total waste of time, eg they can enhance your thinking and observation of stuff around you, and various other things.

When MMOs shut down it makes your time a waste especially if you do not get all out of it what you want. If MMOs are meant to last  years, and in the end they do not, then you are left with an incomplete feeling. If you buy a single player offline game then you can play as much, or as little, as you want, until it satisfies you, but MMOs can take away that satisfaction when they shut down. Most people start MMOs when they first release, but some start playing them a week or a month before a shutdown and no way would have gotten all the game has to offer, and when a game is doing well, it makes playing other games more wary.

Without this boycott I would have boycotted NC soft anyway and permanently,   and done so in silence. Now there is a public Boycott, then there could be a chance they can do something about it, and not be so quick to shut down games again, and I will more likely play NC soft games again

  gipper36

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Joined: 10/16/11
Posts: 26

12/06/12 9:50:56 AM#57
how many here have actually played coh/cov since issue 1?
  gipper36

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12/06/12 9:51:56 AM#58
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  User Deleted
12/06/12 9:55:07 AM#59
You know what boycotting NCsoft will do? It would put more of their games and the developer's jobs on the lines. So you go ahead and pretend you're doing good.
  Torvaldr

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Joined: 6/10/09
Posts: 5157

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12/06/12 10:03:26 AM#60
Originally posted by LhynnSaint
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by Xondar123

Anyone who currently plays an NCSoft game, like Aion, GW1, GW2, etc, should see CoH as a warning that your game could be killed at any time for no reason at all.

That's true of any online game.  I've loved and played GW1 since it released and someday they will close it down.  That could be tomorrow or years from now.  That's the way online gaming is.  That doesn't mean you have to be happy about it though but don't expect the rest of us to stop gaming or stop playing NCSoft games because of it.

NC has given sub money back in the past and/or given credit to other things.  I think that is a good business gesture.

Well, as far as i know GW1 was in the red in the last Q, so it will probably be the next one to go away.

Not only that... NCsoft stock has been crashing so hard since the announcement of CoX closing that it the notion of them dying isnt that far from reality.

You're wrong about the being in red, but they could shut it down tomorrow.  I got my money out of it.

But you're wrong again that they will shut it down tomorrow because it's being used as a marketing gimmick for GW2.  Still it doesn't matter because there is no guarantee.  Do you realize how bitter and horrible it sounds when you try and push your bitter fears onto other gamers in hopes they too can share your misery?  If the CoH crowd won't be happy until noone else is unhappy then you will truly be a lonely crowd.  People at least felt bad for the SWG folks and they didn't take it out on the rest of us.

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