Originally posted by Scellow

Most of people don't play mmo with subscription because it's too expansive , most of those game fail .. but i know a litle game "dofus" with a little subsription fee (5€/month) and it works like a charm , this company earn money and new player each month

http://www.dofus.com/fr/boutique/18-abonnements

 

So i think it's a good idea to kill the average price of mmo and propose a little amount

 

 

Originally posted by davestr1zl

Originally posted by Scellow

Please AV, don't start with the basic 14$/month sure you'll not win new user ..

 

5$/month will be a nice idea !! i'm 10000% sure that you'll earn more than if you start with 14$/ month

 

I know AV is an Greek company, and they need money (Economic Crisis), but don't be so tightwad and give opportunity for playing to poor person :)

and how do you know this for certain?

 

Because there will be more player

 

14 * 10 000 players =  140 000/m

5* 50 000 players =  250 000/m

 

DF is a good game ! so do not underestimate the possible number of subscriber if the game is under the average price of mmo's

You're under the _massive_ assumption that it will get in 5x as many players, which you have no basis for. For 1/3 the subscription fee you need to be able to gaurantee you get atleast 3x the playerbase, and even then you're only getting the same amount not more.

Originally posted by Onomas
Guy has a point, if some games i dont play any longer had cheaper subs, i would go back. But some games just are not worth 15/month. And yes if the sub prices are cheaper normaly you would get more to flock to the game, its the same principle as going F2P. Thats if DF is worthy, but so far it sounds as if they neglected pve, crafting, and few other aspects of a sandbox.

actully no they havent

Originally posted by Scellow

Most of people don't play mmo with subscription because it's too expansive , most of those game fail .. but i know a litle game "dofus" with a little subsription fee (5€/month) and it works like a charm , this company earn money and new player each month

http://www.dofus.com/fr/boutique/18-abonnements

 

So i think it's a good idea to kill the average price of mmo and propose a little amount

 

 

Originally posted by davestr1zl

Originally posted by Scellow

Please AV, don't start with the basic 14$/month sure you'll not win new user ..

 

5$/month will be a nice idea !! i'm 10000% sure that you'll earn more than if you start with 14$/ month

 

I know AV is an Greek company, and they need money (Economic Crisis), but don't be so tightwad and give opportunity for playing to poor person :)

and how do you know this for certain?

 

Because there will be more player

 

14 * 10 000 players =  140 000/m

5* 50 000 players =  250 000/m

 

DF is a good game ! so do not underestimate the possible number of subscriber if the game is under the average price of mmo's

I don't think dofus could have cost as much to make... hence the smaller sub fee.  Its like runescape charging $5 a month.  Alot of content but when it comes down to it.  It is still just a browser game

Originally posted by cowhead
Who is to say they would get 50000 subs if they charged $5 a month? They still may only get 10000 and they are out a great deal of money. Lower sub fee does not guarentee more subs.

true, just remove the sub from indie games over all

Don't be ridiculous.

15 USD per month for a good game is a bargain.

5 USD per month for a bad game is too much.

There is simply zero reason for them to lower the sub to 5 USD per month. Those who like the game will gladly pay 15 USD per month and those who don't won't play it even if it was free.

The number of gamers who want to play MMOs but cannot pay 15 USD per month for their hobby are a very small bunch indeed.

I pay more to the counter of McDonalds when I get food for myself, my wife and my kid. And I go there 3-4 times a month.

Originally posted by tom_gore

Don't be ridiculous.

15 USD per month for a good game is a bargain.

5 USD per month for a bad game is too much.

 

There is simply zero reason for them to lower the sub to 5 USD per month. Those who like the game will gladly pay 15 USD per month and those who don't won't play it even if it was free.

The number of gamers who want to play MMOs but cannot pay 15 USD per month for their hobby are a very small bunch indeed.

I pay more to the counter of McDonalds when I get food for myself, my wife and my kid. And I go there 3-4 times a month.

 

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This guy gets it. If you want to deal with Freemium chat spam, trolls, hackers, and the like feel free to play a Korean grind. Allow the adults to have a good game with a sub that at least cuts down on some of the crap dragging MMOs down. You cant even go to the cinema and watch a bad action movie, eat popcorn and have a soda for 15 bux and thats 2 hours entertainment, not a month's worth.

If you dont want to pay then dont, but please stop sending a message to devs that we want Pay to Win freeimum ad crap with lousy general chats.

Originally posted by thinktank001

Originally posted by Wizardry

Not a good idea.You allow f2p or a very cheap cost then players cheat left and right because they have little to lose.This is a pvp game with aiming,you can bet your life there will be cheating.It hurts more when you spend money to buy the game and sub then get booted out for cheating.

Yes i know it is a bit of a shallow reason,however the whole game will be based on pvp,so it  is what it is.

If they do something with pvp so that cheating is a non factor,then yes i could see a varied pay scale like maybe 5+ cash shop and a 15 for full access to content.

 

The main problem I see with the $15 cost is DF never was and never will be an MMORPG.   It has always been designed with the focus solely on PvP.  I don't see how anyone can justify the price of $15 a month when many online FPS games allow a player to log on for free.  

lol list me the games with one persistant world, a rich PvE enviroment. Lots of other things to do ( Villages,traderoutes,sea tower, treasure maps, crafting, gambling and the list goes on) and a FPs control.

Would you be so kind please ?

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But i myself hope for a more common price of 9,99$ / 9,99€

Originally posted by Scellow

Please AV, don't start with the basic 14$/month sure you'll not win new user ..

 

5$/month will be a nice idea !! i'm 10000% sure that you'll earn more than if you start with 14$/ month

 

I know AV is an Greek company, and they need money (Economic Crisis), but don't be so tightwad and give opportunity for playing to poor person :)

I'm almost 500% certain AV will lose $$$ if they drop the sub to $5.

Originally posted by tom_gore

Don't be ridiculous.

15 USD per month for a good game is a bargain.

5 USD per month for a bad game is too much.

 

as much as i dont like subscriptions i do agree with this, but i havent seen an mmo that its actually worth 15 a month, maybe 10$.

since everyones opinion tend to differ then yes, my opinion is that no released and upcoming mmos that we know enough info about, are worth 15 so far. Im waiting for that mmorpg (themepark and / or sandbox) to come. We are not getting enough for our money, not yet.

why have a sub

im sure the money they would gain by not having a sub would be more than any subs they would get 

in 1-2 months they wont even have  25%(based on every single game  since wow )  of the  players left  no matter if a sub or not

but if you have people buy the game  they will spend money on expansions or a cash shop in the future

Just my opinion and everyone is entitled to their own.

I don't see how any developer can justify $$$ per month any more. Subscription games are increasingly becoming a thing of the past.

There is just too much available F2P and B2P at the moment...

WWIIOnline F2P, yes with restrictions but playable

Planetside  2, F2P

GW2, B2P...

SWTOR F2P with some restrictions I admit

WoT, F2P

WoP coming soon F2P

Mortal Online F2P with some restrictions

and loads more that I've forgotten.

These are good games, different genres, all MMOXXX of one kind or another.

Just think that subscription based MMO's are using an outdated business model and they will not work any more. WoW would never work if  they released it now. It worked at that time and built up a loyal following. That will never happen again.

DF will likely be jam packed for the first couple of months but $15 a mo will kill it eventually... the players will drift away... and blame mechanics, cheaters, balance issues etc. but the real reason will be that they can't justify $15 mo for something that isn't perfect in their eyes.

Going F2P, or B2P eliminates a lot of those issues, not all of them but a lot of them.

Originally posted by naljeja
i heard GW 2 is free

its also a pile of crap but there we go..

I am mroe than happy to pay a sub for Darkfall and alwasy have been..helps stop all the crying f2p kids coming in as well..

EVE Online actually has a nice system going, I rarely payed for my time there with real money (only when I started) and I played for like 6 or so years, since you can pay for Game Time with ingame currency (which other players buy in the form of PLEX they can sell to you for the same ingame currency). So its both a subscription game AND a cash shop game.

And its as hardcore as Darkfall if not more...

I used to play Darkfall and I kind of enjoyed it, for a time. But... the game has a strong smell of INDY to it... the graphics are bad, the animations are......very bad for a modern game.

I will try DFUW when it comes out, for sure, but I won't be staying if I dont see my money's worth. By this I mean not a PvP arena with 0 sense to it (eyes on you GW2 - wasted another 50 euros on a game I dont play...). Even if I'm not the crafter type, I WANT TO SEE A CRAFTING SYSTEM THAT IS RELEVANT in the game, I want choices, I want a real SANDBOX...

P.S. Someone asked to show a FPSMMORPG... just played the 48h Firefall Beta. That game is pretty nice...and its F2P 

Originally posted by Scellow

Most of people don't play mmo with subscription because it's too expansive , most of those game fail .. but i know a litle game "dofus" with a little subsription fee (5€/month) and it works like a charm , this company earn money and new player each month

http://www.dofus.com/fr/boutique/18-abonnements

 

So i think it's a good idea to kill the average price of mmo and propose a little amount

 

 

Originally posted by davestr1zl

Originally posted by Scellow

Please AV, don't start with the basic 14$/month sure you'll not win new user ..

 

5$/month will be a nice idea !! i'm 10000% sure that you'll earn more than if you start with 14$/ month

 

I know AV is an Greek company, and they need money (Economic Crisis), but don't be so tightwad and give opportunity for playing to poor person :)

and how do you know this for certain?

 

Because there will be more player

 

14 * 10 000 players =  140 000/m

5* 50 000 players =  250 000/m

 

DF is a good game ! so do not underestimate the possible number of subscriber if the game is under the average price of mmo's

I love when people just make things up, "Most people don't play MMO with sub..."  Just not true...and you have no data to back the rediculous statement.  I can tell you that most of the people I game with won't even tough a F2P game...I would only play games with a sub.