which do you prefer?

EDIT: huh kinda made this quick, and didnt think out a paragraph before even posting so my bad but um -

On the basis of both classes being known as wildly unfair in both games, discuss.

I hate thieves in GW2 more because they are more OP than they had intended due to poor rendering.

Also with the whole I can PvP the second I make a character, everyone hops to the flavour of the month and ruins Spvp by filling it with CnD+Steal+Backstab thiefs.

never played wow, cant answer.

But i have played a thief, and besides for the rendering lag that makes them hard to hit or see, they are not OP.

Warriors are OP as fuck though. Pick up regen from Runes and sigils, throw that in with the regen from healing signet, mix in power/toughness/vitality exotics, trait to get stacks of might on crits( crit 50% of the time), and trait for healing shouts.

You outregen most shit, can launch a 100 blades/number 5 dual axe skill to  stack up might faster than a mofo, have plenty of condition removal(that also heals due to trait), and still be able to stack bleeds consistently(even better with a mesmer around)

So you got top notch EVERYTHING lol. My fav class.

Having played both, gw2 thief by far.  The terrible "fade in time' because of the bad multiplayer handling of the game/engine means you are mostly dead.  If a rogue opened on you in WoW AV, you saw them no matter what, even during the tons of NPC days.

In WoW, they rogue instantly appeared.  And you could still fight them off.

Except when they were undead (as a priest).  Then...it was already over.

This isn't even close.

Both classes are really sterile and boring to play, i have played both and didn't like either but neither was what i'd call op.

Wear Vit/tough/Power gear and put 30 points in each of your toughness and Vitality traits if you dont like to be 1 shotted.  If you expect to run around in PvP in a glass cannon buidl expect ot die like one.

So with that being said I take GW2 thief all day long and twice on sundays because I actually have control of the outcome instead of sitting helpless for 12+ secs in a stun lock.

People are forgeting thier MMO history.  The WoW stun lock rogue is by far more powerful.   The Thief cant win in PvP naked and using level 1 weapons.  Especially against a fully geared warrior.

I present some of the greatest videos ever made.........World of Roguecraft.

Episode 1 ...  action start 5 min mark

Episode 3 ...  the best of the three.  This is the video where the rogue kills everyone while wearing no armor and only a starter weapon.  Some around here needs to watch the first portion of this vid and take it to heart.

The GW2 thief is annoying, but is not really OP.  A lot of people are sporting zerker gear and then complaining about getting fucked up by a thief.  Additionally, people like to complain first and learn thier class second.

Nothing matched the anger you felt from being helplessly stun locked by a rogue in early wow.

Others are correct that the issue with Thieves is largely related to the rendering engine issues. The thing that makes it more frustrating is that there were not these rendering issues in beta or even during the first few weeks after the game launched. We have rendering culling issues, sound issues, "Obstructed" and "Invulnerable" system bugginess and, for many, lower FPS than a month after launch.

Somone has been doing some tweaks and optimization, but they have just mucked things up. My guess is that it's related to the missle ware culling and occlusion system they licensed from Umbra. (Umbra does sound, shader and polygon culling). It seems like they are trying hard to make the tech work, since they paid for it, but the issues have to make one wonder if they aren't just throwing good money after bad.

Back to thieves, in general they are not over-powered and, in fact, the profession probably has an above average number of underpowered builds. There are some builds that are very strong, like stealth heavy back stab builds, but it's hard to evaluate if they are actually overpowered with these technical issues creating advantages that are not part of the actual profession design.

Other professions, like Warrior, can actually out burst a thief. The "accidental" extended invisibility and the fact that stealth apparently puts the stealthed character at the bottom of the rendering queue is the actual problem. Ideally, the technical issues will be corrected, rather than us seeing additional sPvP and WvW nerfs aimed at compesating for the uninteded consequences of the horrible culing tech!

Originally posted by fiontar

Others are correct that the issue with Thieves is largely related to the rendering engine issues. The thing that makes it more frustrating is that there were not these rendering issues in beta or even during the first few weeks after the game launched. We have rendering culling issues, sound issues, "Obstructed" and "Invulnerable" system bugginess and, for many, lower FPS than a month after launch.

Somone has been doing some tweaks and optimization, but they have just mucked things up. My guess is that it's related to the missle ware culling and occlusion system they licensed from Umbra. (Umbra does sound, shader and polygon culling). It seems like they are trying hard to make the tech work, since they paid for it, but the issues have to make one wonder if they aren't just throwing good money after bad.

Back to thieves, in general they are not over-powered and, in fact, the profession probably has an above average number of underpowered builds. There are some builds that are very strong, like stealth heavy back stab builds, but it's hard to evaluate if they are actually overpowered with these technical issues creating advantages that are not part of the actual profession design.

Other professions, like Warrior, can actually out burst a thief. The "accidental" extended invisibility and the fact that stealth apparently puts the stealthed character at the bottom of the rendering queue is the actual problem. Ideally, the technical issues will be corrected, rather than us seeing additional sPvP and WvW nerfs aimed at compesating for the uninteded consequences of the horrible culing tech!

This man knows whats up. If you are worried about a thief in pvp, wait'll you run across me

EDIT: Example- Thief appears behind and starts heartseeking. Immediately hit "Fear Me!","On my Mark!", and "For Great Justice!" shouts, use greatsword skill number 3 l to quickly move in front of it, and let out a 100 blades while he approaches me. He doesn't trouble me anymore.

Nothing is more annoying than the infamous rogue stunlock in early WoW. I was playing a warlock and it was virtually impossible to kill a rogue. Unless he is out of stealth and I place crapload of dots on him. Good thing they removed it.

Although what I really liked was chain fear. That was fun. I could faceroll 5 characters at the same time by chain fearing :D

Wildly unfair? Stunlock in WoW?

Are you still living in 2004?

This thread is a joke.

Originally posted by Maephisto

People are forgeting thier MMO history.  The WoW stun lock rogue is by far more powerful.   The Thief cant win in PvP naked and using level 1 weapons.  Especially against a fully geared warrior.

I present some of the greatest videos ever made.........World of Roguecraft.

Episode 1 ...  action start 5 min mark

Episode 3 ...  the best of the three.  This is the video where the rogue kills everyone while wearing no armor and only a starter weapon.  Some around here needs to watch the first portion of this vid and take it to heart.

The GW2 thief is annoying, but is not really OP.  A lot of people are sporting zerker gear and then complaining about getting fucked up by a thief.  Additionally, people like to complain first and learn thier class second.

Nothing matched the anger you felt from being helplessly stun locked by a rogue in early wow.

yeh m8 those old videos from Vanilla WoW, rogue was master on 1X1 but its gone since thaose days...

But those days we had a nice World pvp to play on WoW and Blizzard destroyed everything ....

About thief in GW2 - its power comes from a exploit, i.e. an EXPLOIT from the bad game engine, as in sPvP warriores are far better or even mesmers.

Originally posted by Masa1
I prefer wow stunlock rogue. Perma invi, 1hit thief in GW2 is just lame as hell.

Actually - just look - not invisible - you can see them. It looks like a heat shimmer, not hard to deal with. People just like to complain and then learn how to play ther prefession later.

People forgot about all the complaints of Saboteurs in Rift - people complaining about how OP they were. They were glass cannons but people complained and Trion listened and nerfed them to oblivion.

Nothing new about people complaining about being killed in PvP when they are not observent.