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  grimal

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12/04/12 7:14:06 PM#141
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Draron
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Draron
Originally posted by grimal

I'll go on record and say it now.  SWTOR, for me, offers the best themepark experience out there right now,  It uses the standard themepark model (some can't get past this), adds a great story, modern graphics, top production values and is set in the Star Wars universe.

I never expected it to be anything other than a story-driven themepark MMO.

If it lasts as long as LOTRO does (and I think it will), it will be funny to revisit this thread.

Agreed.

Disagree because Bioware are not adding content in a professional manner like Turbine did.

Bioware have given up, and faffing around with the cash shop now, putting little trinkets up for sale as content.

When they start adding more class story, housing, mount/vehicle combat then it will start becoming progressive like LOTRO.

Content within Warzones / Operation / Flashpoints / Space mini game do not count.

Disagree on the basis I'm having fun with the game and putting money into it, surely others are too.

I agree then if you are the only one who counts

My opinions are mainly based on mass opinion (Over 2 million sales, yet 500K or less playing, all according to stats from the horses (EA) mouth), and not just personal opinion

Over 1.5 million people would not have bought game and quit after only months if it delivered the best themepark experience, they would all be playing it now, and game would still be P2P

You just liking the game, will not help in making it better, for more people to like the game.

First, no one can really say why those people stopped their subs.  EA says it's because of one thing, you can say another.  Your opinion is not based off mass opinion....unless you can give me all 1 millition 500 thousand opinions.

Second, I understand you are bitter and angry that SWG is gone but really making it your sole mission in life to post negatives about TOR?  Doesn't it get a bit old for you?  I mean just look under your name.... it's time you moved on.

Edit: I added a sig to match yours :P

"I'm sorry, if you were right, I'd agree with you." - Robin Williams

  Draron

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12/04/12 7:18:48 PM#142
Originally posted by grimal

First, no one can really say why those people stopped their subs.  EA says it's because of one thing, you can say another.  Your opinion is not based off mass opinion....unless you can give me all 1 millition 500 thousand opinions.

Second, I understand you are bitter and angry that SWG is gone but really making it your sole mission in life to post negatives about TOR?  Doesn't it get a bit old for you?  I mean just look under your name.... it's time you moved on.

Not calling anyone out in particular, but a few posters on these boards go overboard when it comes to filling these threads with the same stuff over and over again, spewing negativity. It'd be fine if they didn't jump on anyone that had a different opinion, catching it and throwing the same stuff too. I really wish there was a rule against that like there is trolling, but I guess we gotta ignore it.

  grimal

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Joined: 9/11/05
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12/04/12 7:24:58 PM#143
Originally posted by Draron

Not calling anyone out in particular, but a few posters on these boards go overboard when it comes to filling these threads with the same stuff over and over again, spewing negativity. It'd be fine if they didn't jump on anyone that had a different opinion, catching it and throwing the same stuff too. I really wish there was a rule against that like there is trolling, but I guess we gotta ignore it.

Yep.  In this case, I think they blame SWTOR for SWG's closing.  What they don't realize is SWG had been dead for years.  The game should have been closed years ago.   But they hold on to this belief......so much so that they think if they get SWTOR to close, it will bring about SWG2.  Which is absolutely ludicrous. 

"I'm sorry, if you were right, I'd agree with you." - Robin Williams

  Wizardry

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Joined: 8/27/04
Posts: 6847

Perhaps tomorrow will be better.

12/04/12 7:36:04 PM#144

With the cash shop idea,it is almost impossible to predict.

There are a fair number of active players,but how many are freemium is tough to say.

My guess by looking around is the majority are subbed on the PVE servers.It coudl be a lot different on the Pvp servers idk,but there is at least activity.

Personally i do not think the freemium is working,at least on Pve servers it seems like the majority ar subbed.So if they were not happy with subs before ,i am sure they are still not because many of those may have gone the free route.

When i see players flying around quest to quest like they have already done it before a million times,it tells me they are mostly old players playing alts.

Point is ,i do not see this game growing much,if at all since the freemium,so like i said,if they were not happy before,they are still not happy,so maybe not as long as some might think.

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  superniceguy

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Joined: 2/17/07
Posts: 2278

NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

12/04/12 7:51:37 PM#145
Originally posted by grimal
Originally posted by Draron

Not calling anyone out in particular, but a few posters on these boards go overboard when it comes to filling these threads with the same stuff over and over again, spewing negativity. It'd be fine if they didn't jump on anyone that had a different opinion, catching it and throwing the same stuff too. I really wish there was a rule against that like there is trolling, but I guess we gotta ignore it.

Yep.  In this case, I think they blame SWTOR for SWG's closing.  What they don't realize is SWG had been dead for years.  The game should have been closed years ago.   But they hold on to this belief......so much so that they think if they get SWTOR to close, it will bring about SWG2.  Which is absolutely ludicrous. 

SWTOR is dead already, more dead than what SWG was in 2011.

SWG never went to F2P. SWTOR is now in the afterlife / The Living Dead

I do not care about SWG 2 it still will not bring back all my characters and stuff.

I even started over 3 times in SWG. If SWTOR was even a tenth of what SWG was I would do the same here, but why bother when the game is on the road to being shut down.

SWG never did merges for 3 years after the NGE, because when a game does that, it gives off the impression the game is on its last legs. SOE focused on content. Bioware said there was enough content for SWTOR to make KOTOR 3-9 and beyond. Yet they do not do that, and jump straight to merges followed by F2P?

  grimal

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12/04/12 8:12:08 PM#146
Originally posted by mnwild1998
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by grimal
Originally posted by Draron

Not calling anyone out in particular, but a few posters on these boards go overboard when it comes to filling these threads with the same stuff over and over again, spewing negativity. It'd be fine if they didn't jump on anyone that had a different opinion, catching it and throwing the same stuff too. I really wish there was a rule against that like there is trolling, but I guess we gotta ignore it.

Yep.  In this case, I think they blame SWTOR for SWG's closing.  What they don't realize is SWG had been dead for years.  The game should have been closed years ago.   But they hold on to this belief......so much so that they think if they get SWTOR to close, it will bring about SWG2.  Which is absolutely ludicrous. 

SWTOR is dead already, more dead than what SWG was in 2011.

SWG never went to F2P. SWTOR is now in the afterlife / The Living Dead

I do not care about SWG 2 it still will not bring back all my characters and stuff.

I even started over 3 times in SWG. If SWTOR was even a tenth of what SWG was I would do the same here, but why bother when the game is on the road to being shut down.

SWG never did merges for 3 years after the NGE, because when a game does that, it gives off the impression the game is on its last legs. SOE focused on content. Bioware said there was enough content for SWTOR to make KOTOR 3-9 and beyond. Yet they do not do that, and jump straight to merges followed by F2P?

 

Your history on these forums is very well know. You dont like TOR thats perfectly fine you have every right not to like a VIDEO GAME. Why put in so much time and energy trying to put people down who do enjoy it? Right now its safe to say over 500,000 people are enjoying TOR there are not too many mmos right now that can say that. Why dont these people just move on? The game is fun for a lot of people. For the 500,001 of those who play TOR we are sorry SWG closed, we are sorry people left your guild, we are sorry your game is a little less populated because of SWTOR.

He's a broken record.  Simply hit the block button.

I come to these forums to talk about these games.  Share opinions.  But when you have that one guy rambling the same incoherent thing over and over....just ignore them.

"I'm sorry, if you were right, I'd agree with you." - Robin Williams

  superniceguy

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Joined: 2/17/07
Posts: 2278

NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

12/04/12 8:26:39 PM#147
Originally posted by mnwild1998
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by grimal
Originally posted by Draron

Not calling anyone out in particular, but a few posters on these boards go overboard when it comes to filling these threads with the same stuff over and over again, spewing negativity. It'd be fine if they didn't jump on anyone that had a different opinion, catching it and throwing the same stuff too. I really wish there was a rule against that like there is trolling, but I guess we gotta ignore it.

Yep.  In this case, I think they blame SWTOR for SWG's closing.  What they don't realize is SWG had been dead for years.  The game should have been closed years ago.   But they hold on to this belief......so much so that they think if they get SWTOR to close, it will bring about SWG2.  Which is absolutely ludicrous. 

SWTOR is dead already, more dead than what SWG was in 2011.

SWG never went to F2P. SWTOR is now in the afterlife / The Living Dead

I do not care about SWG 2 it still will not bring back all my characters and stuff.

I even started over 3 times in SWG. If SWTOR was even a tenth of what SWG was I would do the same here, but why bother when the game is on the road to being shut down.

SWG never did merges for 3 years after the NGE, because when a game does that, it gives off the impression the game is on its last legs. SOE focused on content. Bioware said there was enough content for SWTOR to make KOTOR 3-9 and beyond. Yet they do not do that, and jump straight to merges followed by F2P?

 

Your history on these forums is very well know. You dont like TOR thats perfectly fine you have every right not to like a VIDEO GAME. Why put in so much time and energy trying to put people down who do enjoy it? Right now its safe to say over 500,000 people are enjoying TOR there are not too many mmos right now that can say that. Why dont these people just move on? The game is fun for a lot of people. For the 500,001 of those who play TOR we are sorry SWG closed, we are sorry people left your guild, we are sorry your game is a little less populated because of SWTOR.

I do like SWTOR and it is fun for a few months, but it has had its day, and is on its way out. 

F2P is the beginning of the end. A game with 500K people should not need to go from P2P to F2P, within its first year, and have a 10 year expectancy, especially when they state in 2008 that they have enough content to make KOTOR 3-9 and beyond. It seems they do not any more. All content that is coming, was already done, and now being spoon fed slowly into the game.

It only has the amount of players it does atm due to F2P, and I doubt they are all paying. In a few months time, most people will not be playing any more, and in a years time, it really will be dead with less players SWG has playing TODAY, and I doubt even you or even Sevenstar will still be playing either, as you all finally realise that the game is going nowhere, and just taking your money to buy stupid things in the store, which you should get free with a sub.

  superniceguy

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Joined: 2/17/07
Posts: 2278

NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

12/05/12 4:42:52 AM#148
Originally posted by grimal
Originally posted by mnwild1998
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by grimal
Originally posted by Draron

Not calling anyone out in particular, but a few posters on these boards go overboard when it comes to filling these threads with the same stuff over and over again, spewing negativity. It'd be fine if they didn't jump on anyone that had a different opinion, catching it and throwing the same stuff too. I really wish there was a rule against that like there is trolling, but I guess we gotta ignore it.

Yep.  In this case, I think they blame SWTOR for SWG's closing.  What they don't realize is SWG had been dead for years.  The game should have been closed years ago.   But they hold on to this belief......so much so that they think if they get SWTOR to close, it will bring about SWG2.  Which is absolutely ludicrous. 

SWTOR is dead already, more dead than what SWG was in 2011.

SWG never went to F2P. SWTOR is now in the afterlife / The Living Dead

I do not care about SWG 2 it still will not bring back all my characters and stuff.

I even started over 3 times in SWG. If SWTOR was even a tenth of what SWG was I would do the same here, but why bother when the game is on the road to being shut down.

SWG never did merges for 3 years after the NGE, because when a game does that, it gives off the impression the game is on its last legs. SOE focused on content. Bioware said there was enough content for SWTOR to make KOTOR 3-9 and beyond. Yet they do not do that, and jump straight to merges followed by F2P?

 

Your history on these forums is very well know. You dont like TOR thats perfectly fine you have every right not to like a VIDEO GAME. Why put in so much time and energy trying to put people down who do enjoy it? Right now its safe to say over 500,000 people are enjoying TOR there are not too many mmos right now that can say that. Why dont these people just move on? The game is fun for a lot of people. For the 500,001 of those who play TOR we are sorry SWG closed, we are sorry people left your guild, we are sorry your game is a little less populated because of SWTOR.

He's a broken record.  Simply hit the block button.

I come to these forums to talk about these games.  Share opinions.  But when you have that one guy rambling the same incoherent thing over and over....just ignore them.

If SWG went F2P it would have far more people playing it than SWTOR. SWG may have been bad, but no where on the scale of SWTOR. Even  if SWG was still active with a $15 fee and SWTOR was F2P, there would still be more playing SWG than SWTOR!

What kept people away from SWG was the thought that Bioware could come up with a better MMO than SWG. Considering they failed at that, and the realisation that an awesome better SW MMO than SWG may never happen, leaves SWG looking the best you are going to get for a SW MMO, especially being set in the classic Trilogy era.

SWG may have closed, and I was upset but I have now gotten over that. It had its day, and I am proud and grateful to have been able to play it. Even if it got resurrected ir probably would not be able to give me the same enjoyment, and no doubt it would be F2P, destroying its soul.

SWTOR is severely lacking, and articles like this would not pop up if SWTOR was adequate. You do not see articles "SWG features I'd love to see in WOW" because WOW holds its own without those features.

However, I have got from it the knowledge and experiences of being able to tell when a game is on its last legs, although COH through a curveball by adding F2P only last year so I did not think that would shut down just yet from that but it did. Although that just strengthed by knowledge and experience further.

So from these 2 shutdowns, plus EA stataing they need 500K subs to break even plus the fact millions of people left the game only months after its release when it was all fresh and there was hope for advancements, then it will be quite safe to say the same thing will happen again to the people attracted to F2P when there has not been much added to the game to keep people, and there are no positive signs of anything coming, I would say that SWTOR has about 95% chance of shutting down by 2014

I did visit the forums quite regularly from launch, then it faded off between F2P announcement and its release, and the F2P release has motivated me to visit these forums again, to watch the train wreck, plus the forums are my most popular visited sites according to IE, when before it ended up being the main site.

Just to clarify I do not hate SWTOR, I do however currently hate GW2 and NC Soft, but I do not post on their forums, because I have zero intention on playing GW2, but I do have every intenton on playiing SWTOR when it is more decent enough to play.

I will try from now and refrain from posting against SWTOR but it is hard when you say things like "SWTORs space game is a single player game" and then get called a hater from it, when it is just true, but I will just mainly read the deluded hypocritcal positive posts of SWTOR, and laugh and shake my head in disbelief, to myself!

  Karteli

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12/05/12 8:13:47 AM#149
Originally posted by mnwild1998
Originally posted by mikahr
Originally posted by grimal

He's a broken record.  Simply hit the block button.

I come to these forums to talk about these games.  Share opinions.  But when you have that one guy rambling the same incoherent thing over and over....just ignore them.

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Just a bit of fact for you....you are another broken record of hate towards SWTOR. We all can accept you hate the game thats fine and nothing wrong with that. But to come on EVERY SINGLE POST that mentions TOR and bash the game and those who play and enjoy a VIDEO GAME is a joke. Move on like the last guy who was called out for being a broken record. Right now over 500,000 people are enjoying TOR (if only until 2014 from your expert experience) and we would like to apologize that TOR hurt you some how. But good news there are tons of mmos out try one of them .

in RED: provide source pls.

 

Even Andryah admitted that the mega server capacity was 6000 players, which I read before it was deleted.  Andryah is one of the most knowledgable shills working with EA on the SWTOR project.

 

At peak times with some servers heavy, a couple very heavy, and others standard, I ask you:  Where do you get 500k+ players enjoying TOR (right now, as you say).

 

There are surely many who are keeping their subscription in hopes the game gets better, or they find unsubscibing as a hassle .. or they forgot they are even subscribed.  But these people are certainly not "enjoying" TOR.  They aren't even playing it.

 

So .. 20 servers .. a handful of which actually hit very heavy (less than capacity even) in the evening of the relevant time-zone .. how did you get 500k+ again?

 

Or do all those people only play an hour per week, to keep account total data so high?  Hardly a conclusion ..

 

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  Karteli

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12/05/12 8:52:57 AM#150
Originally posted by mnwild1998
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by mnwild1998
Originally posted by mikahr
Originally posted by grimal

He's a broken record.  Simply hit the block button.

I come to these forums to talk about these games.  Share opinions.  But when you have that one guy rambling the same incoherent thing over and over....just ignore them.

With so hilarious claims fanbois make it desnt leave much space for anything else.

Game tanked and had to go F2P in less than a year. It broke many negative records that other MMOs will break them VERY hard

2 server merges

2 rounds of core staff layoffs including top developers. By the state of things they are running on skeleton crew.

CEO of EA called it "a miss"

uncountable promises and "its coming before the end of the year" claims, and only thing they delivered is Cartel Shop aka money grab where they put stuff that was ready and kept from players at launch, and spice it over with....GAMBLING BOXES

engine so bad that they rather removed Ilum than let people play what little misery of open world PvP there was. Their "optimization" and "fixing it" was...tada...."we now have VERY LOW SETTING". But, as with most things in SWTOR, that didnt help either but it sure made game look even crappier than before. And its 2007 game.

ability delay still not fixed. Servers still have spasms when a bit of people get on. Most planets are capped at 50-75 players/instance because game starts being unplayable over that number. This one is actually really funny because planets are quite big and usually you see mostly 1-2 players of these 50-75

content updated so slow that its unbelievable. And no, this time around theres no excuse of "voice overs" or "story" because there is none, mission dropbox is your new best friend

....

Just a bit of facts for ya.

 

Just a bit of fact for you....you are another broken record of hate towards SWTOR. We all can accept you hate the game thats fine and nothing wrong with that. But to come on EVERY SINGLE POST that mentions TOR and bash the game and those who play and enjoy a VIDEO GAME is a joke. Move on like the last guy who was called out for being a broken record. Right now over 500,000 people are enjoying TOR (if only until 2014 from your expert experience) and we would like to apologize that TOR hurt you some how. But good news there are tons of mmos out try one of them .

in RED: provide source pls.

 

Even Andryah admitted that the mega server capacity was 6000 players, which I read before it was deleted.  Andryah is one of the most knowledgable shills working with EA on the SWTOR project.

 

At peak times with some servers heavy, a couple very heavy, and others standard, I ask you:  Where do you get 500k+ players enjoying TOR (right now, as you say).

 

There are surely many who are keeping their subscription in hopes the game gets better, or they find unsubscibing as a hassle .. or they forgot they are even subscribed.  But these people are certainly not "enjoying" TOR.  They aren't even playing it.

 

So .. 20 servers .. a handful of which actually hit very heavy (less than capacity even) in the evening of the relevant time-zone .. how did you get 500k+ again?

 

Or do all those people only play an hour per week, to keep account total data so high?  Hardly a conclusion ..

 

 

Well their Q3 fy12 report(lets hope you know what that means) stated they had 1.3 million subs. Lets say for argument sake they lost 500,000 since then that leaves 800000 subs. Then as you say people forgot they are still paying I will give you 1/2 just for shits and giggles that gets us to 400,000 subs that are playing. If you dont think 100 000 are f2p your nuts. My number was an educated guess just like you educated guess saying the number was high.

 EA's financial statement Time References are a bit off from the time period we live in. Q3 fy12 was actually 7 months ago, by EA standards.  To tip you off on this, they are already talking about Q2 2013 (http://investor.ea.com/

 

The statement for their next quarter (4 months ago) was less than 1 million subscribers, but more than 500k.  And the most recent statement (1 month ago) was no disclosure on subscriptions at all, indicating a very bad subscription count.  All observational data, even TORStatus showed a remarkable drop in activity over the past 6 months.

 

So the data you provided, along with all your numbers are off by a half year+.  It's a common mistake I suppose.  EA likes to release quarterly data as "current" (if you only look at the stated dates and not the published dates).  It looks better for them when a game is tanking, and some investor with money comes along and doesn't know how their system works.  They might invest, blindly, in a game that is currently swirling around the toilet bowl, but shows, or showed profit / growth / potential 6 months ago.

 

 

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  FromHell

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12/05/12 9:01:15 AM#151

The sad, sad thing with SWTOR is that nearly every attempt to do something new feels half-assed.

What´s with these fireworks now. That is all? A stack of 25 fireworks you can shoot in the air to celebrate the 1 year anniversary?

No anniversady event? No lifeday event? No craftable fireworks like in SWG? Only 25? Why not.. 100 or more, if all its about are fireworks ?

How can they put this little gimmick so big on the website? Are they pulling our legs or what?

Really... SWG 10 years older, 10 times better, even as a buggy as SWG was and destroying it by making it "more WoW".

Secrets of Dragon´s Spine Trailer.. ! :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwT9cFVQCMw

Best MMOs ever played: Ultima, EvE, SW Galaxies, Age of Conan, The Secret World
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2X_SbZCHpc&t=21s
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The Return of ELITE !

  User Deleted
12/05/12 9:12:41 AM#152
Originally posted by mnwild1998
Well here is a quote from last Friday hope this is recent enough for you. Schubert concurred, and he also mentioned that the numbers support BioWare's current position. "Almost every conceivable metric is better. The numbers have blown away our expectations, which means good things for the players and the game," he said. This was an interview on massivly about adding f2p.

Lets hope its true so they can start developing some proper content again.

  TsaboHavoc

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12/05/12 9:18:01 AM#153
lol, ppl still play this trash? and now we have an EA pawn trying to cover the sun with a sieve.
  Karteli

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12/05/12 9:18:04 AM#154
Originally posted by mnwild1998
Well here is a quote from last Friday hope this is recent enough for you. Schubert concurred, and he also mentioned that the numbers support BioWare's current position. "Almost every conceivable metric is better. The numbers have blown away our expectations, which means good things for the players and the game," he said. This was an interview on massivly about adding f2p.

I'd rather have 3rd party sources say that metrics and revenue blew away investors expectations.

 

Schubert, along with other EA employees are essentially paid to promote their game (and thus keep their job).

 

Freemium players definitely added a new spark to SWTOR.  But the question is, how many of them will keep playing, and how many of them will convert to subscribers (long term or short term)?

 

The "F2P" model SWTOR offers is horrid.  The vast majority of players defending it are subscribers.  But you can't take subscribers opinions as gold, because even EA, after seeing a huge backlash in the press, gave 4 hotbars to "preferred status" players.  Why did EA do this?  Bad press for one thing, also "F2P" player retention wasn't very promising.  While TORStatus was showing a nice rise during the first week of SWTOR going freemium, it is now showing a steady drop.  Sure all numbers on TORStatus are green now, but given the rate of decline, they will be red again, maybe as soon as next week.

 

Schubert is a funny guy though, I'd want him working for me too :-)

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  Karteli

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12/05/12 9:46:12 AM#155
Originally posted by mnwild1998
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by mnwild1998
Well here is a quote from last Friday hope this is recent enough for you. Schubert concurred, and he also mentioned that the numbers support BioWare's current position. "Almost every conceivable metric is better. The numbers have blown away our expectations, which means good things for the players and the game," he said. This was an interview on massivly about adding f2p.

I'd rather have 3rd party sources say that metrics and revenue blew away investors expectations.

 

Schubert, along with other EA employees are essentially paid to promote their game (and thus keep their job).

 

Freemium players definitely added a new spark to SWTOR.  But the question is, how many of them will keep playing, and how many of them will convert to subscribers (long term or short term)?

 

The "F2P" model SWTOR offers is horrid.  The vast majority of players defending it are subscribers.  But you can't take subscribers opinions as gold, because even EA, after seeing a huge backlash in the press, gave 4 hotbars to "preferred status" players.  Why did EA do this?  Bad press for one thing, also "F2P" player retention wasn't very promising.  While TORStatus was showing a nice rise during the first week of SWTOR going freemium, it is now showing a steady drop.  Sure all numbers on TORStatus are green now, but given the rate of decline, they will be red again, maybe as soon as next week.

 

Schubert is a funny guy though, I'd want him working for me too :-)

 

As you asked me I will ask you. Where are you getting your information on the rate of decline? Please dont even say xfire cause if thats is your knowledge source please dont even reply. They will continue to listen to the f2pers and adjust just like every other mmo that made the switch its nothing new. Well I will take your prediction and say your wrong about the numbers being red "next week".

I did mention it earlier.  My source is:

 

http://www.torstatus.net/shards/us/stats

 

Its an interesting tool to use.  It works not on any sort of linearity, but rather on a sort of abnormal logarithmics, based on population level "caps" for each level of activity (light, standard, heavy, very heavy, full).  In other words, a server rated at 2.4 is not 10% more than a server rated at 2,18, etc.  It's a bit higher.

 

It's not as speculative as XFire, since TORStatus deals with actual server capacity, as reported by:

 

http://www.swtor.com/server-status

 

Which incluces ALL players!! ...  not some, not half, but all .. uhh .. all that mash.  TORStatus reloads the above website (every 5 minutes), and gathers statistical data.

 

Of course, EA has been shown to adjust their threshholds for each level of server capacity, which throws things off.  But on the short term, unless we see a drastic change in threshholds without any actual smoking gun (major pull for players to log on), it's pretty consistent.

 

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  Karteli

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12/05/12 10:05:56 AM#156
Originally posted by mnwild1998
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by mnwild1998
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by mnwild1998
Well here is a quote from last Friday hope this is recent enough for you. Schubert concurred, and he also mentioned that the numbers support BioWare's current position. "Almost every conceivable metric is better. The numbers have blown away our expectations, which means good things for the players and the game," he said. This was an interview on massivly about adding f2p.

I'd rather have 3rd party sources say that metrics and revenue blew away investors expectations.

 

Schubert, along with other EA employees are essentially paid to promote their game (and thus keep their job).

 

Freemium players definitely added a new spark to SWTOR.  But the question is, how many of them will keep playing, and how many of them will convert to subscribers (long term or short term)?

 

The "F2P" model SWTOR offers is horrid.  The vast majority of players defending it are subscribers.  But you can't take subscribers opinions as gold, because even EA, after seeing a huge backlash in the press, gave 4 hotbars to "preferred status" players.  Why did EA do this?  Bad press for one thing, also "F2P" player retention wasn't very promising.  While TORStatus was showing a nice rise during the first week of SWTOR going freemium, it is now showing a steady drop.  Sure all numbers on TORStatus are green now, but given the rate of decline, they will be red again, maybe as soon as next week.

 

Schubert is a funny guy though, I'd want him working for me too :-)

 

As you asked me I will ask you. Where are you getting your information on the rate of decline? Please dont even say xfire cause if thats is your knowledge source please dont even reply. They will continue to listen to the f2pers and adjust just like every other mmo that made the switch its nothing new. Well I will take your prediction and say your wrong about the numbers being red "next week".

I did mention it earlier.  My source is:

 

http://www.torstatus.net/shards/us/stats

 

Its an interesting tool to use.  It works not on any sort of linearity, but rather on a sort of abnormal logarithmics, based on population level "caps" for each level of activity (light, standard, heavy, very heavy, full).  In other words, a server rated at 2.4 is not 10% more than a server rated at 2,18, etc.  It's a bit higher.

 

It's not as speculative as XFire, since TORStatus deals with actual server capacity, as reported by:

 

http://www.swtor.com/server-status

 

Which incluces ALL players!! ...  not some, not half, but all .. uhh .. all that mash.  TORStatus reloads the above website (every 5 minutes), and gathers statistical data.

 

Of course, EA has been shown to adjust their threshholds for each level of server capacity, which throws things off.  But on the short term, unless we see a drastic change in threshholds without any actual smoking gun (major pull for players to log on), it's pretty consistent.

 

 

Alright thanks for the link. I look forward to reviewing it next week with you lol. Have a good one.

Have a great week! /peace

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  User Deleted
12/05/12 10:56:02 AM#157
Originally posted by mnwild1998 
As you asked me I will ask you. Where are you getting your information on the rate of decline? Please dont even say xfire cause if thats is your knowledge source please dont even reply. They will continue to listen to the f2pers and adjust just like every other mmo that made the switch its nothing new. Well I will take your prediction and say your wrong about the numbers being red "next week".

They cant listen to F2Pers because F2Pers have no venue of contact simce they get NO customer support or forum posting privileges.

All the complains about F2P are from SUBSCRIBERS.

And they STILL quickly delete almost every thread on forums that mentions F2P negatively (oh yea, i tracked that one, it was exquisite agility with which they deleted the threads). And of course horde of fanboi trolls should have been banned, but they werent and its pretty sure they are shills, as they obtusively troll every thread that has any criticism of SWTOR. They are pretty transparent though.

 

Originally posted by mnwild1998

 

Just a bit of fact for you....you are another broken record of hate towards SWTOR. We all can accept you hate the game thats fine and nothing wrong with that. But to come on EVERY SINGLE POST that mentions TOR and bash the game and those who play and enjoy a VIDEO GAME is a joke. Move on like the last guy who was called out for being a broken record. Right now over 500,000 people are enjoying TOR (if only until 2014 from your expert experience) and we would like to apologize that TOR hurt you some how. But good news there are tons of mmos out try one of them .

Writing down facts about the game =/= hating or trolling, remember that bro.

Its not my problem some people start foaming around their mouth when confronted with facts and prefer to live in fairy land/ignorance.

  Draron

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12/05/12 11:47:48 AM#158
Originally posted by mikahr
Originally posted by mnwild1998
Just a bit of fact for you....you are another broken record of hate towards SWTOR. We all can accept you hate the game thats fine and nothing wrong with that. But to come on EVERY SINGLE POST that mentions TOR and bash the game and those who play and enjoy a VIDEO GAME is a joke. Move on like the last guy who was called out for being a broken record. Right now over 500,000 people are enjoying TOR (if only until 2014 from your expert experience) and we would like to apologize that TOR hurt you some how. But good news there are tons of mmos out try one of them .

Writing down facts about the game =/= hating or trolling, remember that bro.

Its not my problem some people start foaming around their mouth when confronted with facts and prefer to live in fairy land/ignorance.

There's a difference between stating facts and doing what a select few on these boards does (not saying you). To me it's like the opposite of fanboyism, but rather they jump in threads that have nothing to do with the games populationg or success and they work in the same facts we see daily on these boards, pretty much derailing the topic right there into a back and forth thing. That's one reason why I don't frequent these boards nearly as much as I used to - you can't have a legitimate discussion about the game without someone derailing it in that manner.

They know who they are, they try to cover it up with "I"m saying the FACTS". But you can take a simple look through a majority of threads on the first page here (including this one) or check out the suspected one's post history and see who I'm talking of.

  shawn19606

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12/05/12 12:17:03 PM#159
I think the main reason most people are so hard on TOR is the fact that this was another supposive "WOWkiller" and it ends up going free to play within a year. The game has obviously failed to achieve anything close to original aspectations. Perhaps they can have some sucess with the F2P module but it's doubtful. I don't like to see games fail like this, it's bad for the industry I think. It's good that companies can't just throw crap out there and expect us to play it but I think it's still bad to see games crash like this. I like the storylines but hated the game engine performance and disliked the PVP. I'm considering giving it another shot though. I would probably just re-sub instead of trying the F2P option though.
  Karteli

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12/05/12 12:17:08 PM#160
Originally posted by mnwild1998
Originally posted by mikahr
Originally posted by mnwild1998 
As you asked me I will ask you. Where are you getting your information on the rate of decline? Please dont even say xfire cause if thats is your knowledge source please dont even reply. They will continue to listen to the f2pers and adjust just like every other mmo that made the switch its nothing new. Well I will take your prediction and say your wrong about the numbers being red "next week".

They cant listen to F2Pers because F2Pers have no venue of contact simce they get NO customer support or forum posting privileges.

All the complains about F2P are from SUBSCRIBERS.

And they STILL quickly delete almost every thread on forums that mentions F2P negatively (oh yea, i tracked that one, it was exquisite agility with which they deleted the threads). And of course horde of fanboi trolls should have been banned, but they werent and its pretty sure they are shills, as they obtusively troll every thread that has any criticism of SWTOR. They are pretty transparent though.

 

Originally posted by mnwild1998

 

Just a bit of fact for you....you are another broken record of hate towards SWTOR. We all can accept you hate the game thats fine and nothing wrong with that. But to come on EVERY SINGLE POST that mentions TOR and bash the game and those who play and enjoy a VIDEO GAME is a joke. Move on like the last guy who was called out for being a broken record. Right now over 500,000 people are enjoying TOR (if only until 2014 from your expert experience) and we would like to apologize that TOR hurt you some how. But good news there are tons of mmos out try one of them .

Writing down facts about the game =/= hating or trolling, remember that bro.

Its not my problem some people start foaming around their mouth when confronted with facts and prefer to live in fairy land/ignorance.

 

Facts you dont put facts. Ranting about space combat and how they went with instances, raids and gear grinds are not facts. Rants the game wasn't made how you wanted it on every TOR post is not fact. Posting comments thats some people say ok ill give you that one. So here is one from Friday, its about how f2p is doing. Schubert concurred, and he also mentioned that the numbers support BioWare's current position. "Almost every conceivable metric is better. The numbers have blown away our expectations, which means good things for the players and the game," he said.

What Shubert says might be a fact as far as he quoted it, but what was said isn't necessarily a fact , in the sense that it is true.

 

Dumded down analysis:  It's a fact that Shubert made that statement.  The content of Shubert's statement, however,  is questionable.

 

Be careful how you critisize other's observations if you can only support them with PR "facts".

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

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