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  Vorthanion

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11/27/12 4:24:33 PM#21
Sounds to me like the OP wants sheep to hunt (World PvP) and can't deal with fighting other wolves of equatable skill / gear (Instanced PvP).

  Netspook

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11/27/12 4:24:39 PM#22
Originally posted by mmoDAD

When did players start to accept the fact that it's okay for PvP to be completely instanced?

EverQuest II's 2006 Nagafen Server was a World PvP Server. It worked.

SWG's PvP was World PvP. It worked.

 

Ever since WoW, PvP has become pure trash. And to make matters worse, "World PvP" has become such a loose term that anything that is isn't completely structured and even is considered World PvP, e.g., SWTOR's Ilum - a dedicated area for PvP. This isn't World PvP. It's trash.

 

Servers should go like this:

Server #1 PvE (Optional Battlegrounds)

Server #2 PvP (World PvP)

 

I'll tell you why people waste time in these redundant battlegrounds. It's because they are so helpless and consumed with the damn carrot dangling in front of their faces. You want that little piece of reward that everyone will eventually have. It's boring. It's an embarrassment to the genre.

I don't want to see anyone fail. However, it would be a lie to not say I enjoy watching these Instanced PvP games turn into failed FTP games.

 

There is no World PvP, never was and never will be.

You're confusing WPvP with GvN: Gankers vs Newbies

  Jonoku

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11/27/12 4:24:45 PM#23
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by Jonoku
Originally posted by Quizzical
What I don't understand is why people settle for world PVP trash in which winning is determined almost entirely by level, gear, and how many people your side has in the area, with very little impact from what you actually do in combat.

Thanks for the laughs, I've seen a small group defeat the odds of numbers. Level or gear? people need to learn to get their gear and max level before participating in endgame content such as OPvP, its a joke to enter at level 5 with level 5 gear, no one does that........

"Quality Over Quantity."

All friendly opinions here but I agree with OP, instanced PvP is pure trash.

If it's not accessible until after you've run out of interesting things to do in the game, then it's irrelevant at best.  And maybe worse than irrelevant if it means you get ganked a lot on the way to max level.

Try a "PvE Server." Problem solved. There was never an issue with ganking in SWG because there was no such thing as PvP or PvE servers, it depended on the area you entered and you have to toggle yourself into PvP, I enjoy being hunted by bounter hunters and ganked, don't know what game you've been playing......

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  Icewhite

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11/27/12 4:26:37 PM#24
I don't think strategic and tactical thinkers ever really "get" each other.

I do know that open-world brawling doesn't teach much of either. :shrug:

On the other hand, neither does "afk your way to fame and fortune, via rewards for losses".

 

So meh.

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  Prenho

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11/27/12 4:26:47 PM#25
Originally posted by azzamasin

LOL at people who think world PvP is anything other incentivized griefing.  World PvP always devolves into ganking and griefing and no amount of wishfull thanking can prove otherwise.  Sure you might have the occasional "decent" moment but 99% of all world PvP is all about ganking/griefing!

 

Now I agree with you that instanced PvP is thrash but I also believe instanced PvE is thrash as well.  I feel that PvP in its own part of the world is best, a place where risk vs rewards abound and no one can be forced to PvP.

Correcting: world pvp of pvp servers of a non-pvp MMO. Lineage is a OWpvp game and rarely you see random ganking/pk, 95% of the owpvp is about guild wars that fight for world resources.

 

You can't compare the shitty and poorly designed pvp in games like wow with a game where there are consequences and rules for PK.

  Jonoku

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11/27/12 4:30:50 PM#26
Originally posted by Netspook
Originally posted by mmoDAD

When did players start to accept the fact that it's okay for PvP to be completely instanced?

EverQuest II's 2006 Nagafen Server was a World PvP Server. It worked.

SWG's PvP was World PvP. It worked.

 

Ever since WoW, PvP has become pure trash. And to make matters worse, "World PvP" has become such a loose term that anything that is isn't completely structured and even is considered World PvP, e.g., SWTOR's Ilum - a dedicated area for PvP. This isn't World PvP. It's trash.

 

Servers should go like this:

Server #1 PvE (Optional Battlegrounds)

Server #2 PvP (World PvP)

 

I'll tell you why people waste time in these redundant battlegrounds. It's because they are so helpless and consumed with the damn carrot dangling in front of their faces. You want that little piece of reward that everyone will eventually have. It's boring. It's an embarrassment to the genre.

I don't want to see anyone fail. However, it would be a lie to not say I enjoy watching these Instanced PvP games turn into failed FTP games.

 

There is no World PvP, never was and never will be.

You're confusing WPvP with GvN: Gankers vs Newbies

What does ganking have to do with WPvP? what server have you been on, what game have you been playing? No such thing in what I played.....

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  OgreRaper

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11/27/12 4:32:39 PM#27
Probably the #1 reason I cancelled my WoW account is that they keep trying to force instanced PvP down my throat. I want world PvP, but in games like WoW you can only get PvP gear by doing instances. No thanks. I'll wait until a game comes out that gets PvP right, until then I'll keep playing on my favorite vanilla wow private server that only has world PvP 
  Jonoku

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11/27/12 4:33:05 PM#28
Originally posted by azzamasin

LOL at people who think world PvP is anything other incentivized griefing.  World PvP always devolves into ganking and griefing and no amount of wishfull thanking can prove otherwise.  Sure you might have the occasional "decent" moment but 99% of all world PvP is all about ganking/griefing!

must be a bad server/community you were with, unfortunate.

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  User Deleted
11/27/12 4:41:32 PM#29
Originally posted by Kuppa

Incredibly ignorant and horribly stated argument. The fact that you don't like it doesn't mean its trash. Some people like a good balanced pvp fight, they don't need rewards just getting in there and pvping on a balanced field.

 

The same could also be said about OWPVP. There are folks who love it because it has "meaning", they like that constant threat or like to go hunt others. But we could do like you are doing and call it trash because it's basically just a gankfest, right? NO!

 

Different pvp for different tastes, deal with it.

You mean deal with it like this ?

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/5966976836

Its so full of trash that gamers are forced  to develope their own addons so they dont need watch that trash.

 

 

  Aelious

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11/27/12 4:41:33 PM#30
After having a blast in PS2 I'm convinced that open PvP is great, for me, in a fantasy MMO as long as there are areas and purpose for it. Don't make the entire game world PvP enabled but large portions where "battlefronts" are between factions. Having FFA PvP while trying to do things not PvP is no bueno for me. Going into warfronts and intentionally fighting for my race or faction? Yes please!
  nariusseldon

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11/27/12 4:43:05 PM#31

Why is it so amazing? Don't you think others can have different preference than you?

You know that LOL, a pure instanced pvp game, is more popular than WOW right? That is pretty good evidence that arena type e-sport pvp is what a lot of people enjoy. WOT is also succeeding based on the same model. You don't even need a world to have good arena pvp.

  botrytis

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11/27/12 4:46:13 PM#32
Originally posted by bcbully

You need both. Instanced pvp by itself is a huge design fail.

 

Swtor, TSW, and GW2 are all suffering because they decided to leave Wpvp out. 

Not evey game has to have open wolrd PvP. I have played them and they are just gank-fests. If there are filters that prevent lowbie ganking, then the gankers complain and whine incessantly.

 

TSW and GW2 were NOT designed for it so you couldn't add it in even if you tried.

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  Uzik

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11/27/12 4:47:05 PM#33

Let the carebears have their instanced and meaningless PvP.

 

All the real PvP'rs will be playing games like Darkfall where PvP has consequences and meaning.

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  eyelolled

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11/27/12 4:49:20 PM#34
Originally posted by mmoDAD

When did players start to accept the fact that it's okay for PvP to be completely instanced?

EverQuest II's 2006 Nagafen Server was a World PvP Server. It worked.

SWG's PvP was World PvP. It worked.

 

Ever since WoW, PvP has become pure trash. And to make matters worse, "World PvP" has become such a loose term that anything that is isn't completely structured and even is considered World PvP, e.g., SWTOR's Ilum - a dedicated area for PvP. This isn't World PvP. It's trash.

 

Servers should go like this:

Server #1 PvE (Optional Battlegrounds)

Server #2 PvP (World PvP)

 

I'll tell you why people waste time in these redundant battlegrounds. It's because they are so helpless and consumed with the damn carrot dangling in front of their faces. You want that little piece of reward that everyone will eventually have. It's boring. It's an embarrassment to the genre.

I don't want to see anyone fail. However, it would be a lie to not say I enjoy watching these Instanced PvP games turn into failed FTP games.

It's cool. I myself like reading sandbox players complain about how there are no AAA sandbox games. Each to their own.  

All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.

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  VengeSunsoar

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11/27/12 4:50:53 PM#35
Originally posted by mmoDAD

When did players start to accept the fact that it's okay for PvP to be completely instanced?

EverQuest II's 2006 Nagafen Server was a World PvP Server. It worked.

SWG's PvP was World PvP. It worked.

 

Ever since WoW, PvP has become pure trash. And to make matters worse, "World PvP" has become such a loose term that anything that is isn't completely structured and even is considered World PvP, e.g., SWTOR's Ilum - a dedicated area for PvP. This isn't World PvP. It's trash.

 

Servers should go like this:

Server #1 PvE (Optional Battlegrounds)

Server #2 PvP (World PvP)

 

I'll tell you why people waste time in these redundant battlegrounds. It's because they are so helpless and consumed with the damn carrot dangling in front of their faces. You want that little piece of reward that everyone will eventually have. It's boring. It's an embarrassment to the genre.

I don't want to see anyone fail. However, it would be a lie to not say I enjoy watching these Instanced PvP games turn into failed FTP games.

You are starting with the wrong premise.

World Pvp works for you.  I personally don't really like world pvp, only in very specific circumstances or areas which effectively means no world pvp.

We are not settling for instanced.  We prefer instanced over world.

IMO most world pvp is trash.  We just don't care about the carrot.  Instanced pvp is more fun.  Less zerg.

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  VengeSunsoar

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11/27/12 4:54:04 PM#36
Originally posted by Aelious
After having a blast in PS2 I'm convinced that open PvP is great, for me, in a fantasy MMO as long as there are areas and purpose for it. Don't make the entire game world PvP enabled but large portions where "battlefronts" are between factions. Having FFA PvP while trying to do things not PvP is no bueno for me. Going into warfronts and intentionally fighting for my race or faction? Yes please!

that works for me too

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  botrytis

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11/27/12 4:59:08 PM#37
Originally posted by Uzik

Let the carebears have their instanced and meaningless PvP.

 

All the real PvP'rs will be playing games like Darkfall where PvP has consequences and meaning.

I love this - you mean Gankers. Because that is all the original Darkfall was. It was an utter trash game. There is a huge difference. Some people don't like Open world PvP and like more instanced and organized PvP, not mayhem.

 

I also expect Darkfall 2 to be a very lonely place as people will find out how trashy the game is and leave in droves - just my opinion.

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  DavisFlight

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11/27/12 4:59:21 PM#38
Originally posted by Vorthanion
Sounds to me like the OP wants sheep to hunt (World PvP) and can't deal with fighting other wolves of equatable skill / gear (Instanced PvP).

Sounds like you've never played a PvP game in your life. DAoC didn't have instanced PvP, and people were still of equal skill levels. Explain that.

  Ragnarok_del

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11/27/12 5:00:02 PM#39

Let's be honest for half a second. The best PvP game in the past 3 years is Darkfall. I love when people use the griefing aspect. Bro when it's world pvp nothing stops you from making an anti-griefing clan, group up and gang-bang the griefers and what not. you argument (the guy under the main post) is that you're too carebear for that kind of game and it's fine but stop lying and making excuses about it.

"It's more than a little arrogant to paint instanced PVP as trash considering 99,999% of *ALL* pvp is done this way. This includes every multiplayer game, ever."

(how do you quote on this forum?)

In theory every server is an instance so you are right but you are completely dishonest. The fact is that when people talk about instanced pvp, they talk about instances other then the main server instance.

 

I'm not like the OP though. I think instanced pvp has it's place for E-sports.

 

"I love this - you mean Gankers. Because that is all the original Darkfall was. It was an utter trash game. " That's your opinion not fact. The fact is Darkfall unlike any other game allowed you if you were more skilled to beat people using much lower gear/character skills.

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11/27/12 5:01:19 PM#40

I got bored with swtor, tsw and gw2 because of the lack of world pvp. 

The most interesting and fun pvp I have ever had was on games with rppvp servers where people would fight over territory for rp purposes.

It is not just about ganking but the level of being able to get attacked at anytime adds to the game for me, it adds another level of player interaction. I play mmos to play against other people because I find pure pve to be very boring.

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