http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/11/26/chaos-theory-tsws-new-pvp-how-do-you-like-them-big-apples/

It seems like the pvp changes have been for the worse. I just don't think they though out pvp from the start.

Originally posted by ShakyMo
They're for the better.

But tsw is playing catchup. If your prime thing is pvp why would you play fusang when you can play WvW or planetside 2.

It's not a bad setup, its not a mega cockup like swtor ilum, but there are better alternatives.

It does have true rivalry over gw2 though.

This sounded a lot like Ilum:

"Sadly, instead of encouraging more PvP, this implementation seems to have driven out the other two faction members, who no longer have a chance to secure any objectives. Thanks to the constant spread-out zerg of one faction, there isn't even any PvP because there are no other factions to fight!

Wait, why don't the other factions just load in and go fight the Templars, especially when they have access to the underdog buff, granting them control of a guardian?

Well, that would be because they can't even get into Fusang. No, seriously. I was so excited at one point to see some PvP spring up on the map that I ran over to it to try to get in on the action. What I found was one faction (mine) camping the entry point of another. The other faction couldn't even step into Fusang more than a foot before being slaughtered. I turned around and left in disgust."

Not sure how those changes are for the better.

No doubt about it, Fusang is currently borked, and the dev team has acknowledged and are working on addressing things.  The good news is that they've been very open and forthright in the forums:

http://forums.thesecretworld.com/showpost.php?p=1460622&postcount=5

In the meantime, queues in Stonehenge and El Dorado have been fixed, and people are finding some fun PvP in the battlegrounds.  There's also the fight clubs, and some groups have been scheduling tournaments.

Originally posted by ShakyMo
Because before it was just a bunch of carebears trading facilities.

Now they have to you know actually pvp.

Did you read the article?

"2. The circular zerg is gone, but so is PvP.

True to intention, the days of factions running circles around Fusang trading objectives is gone, except now they don't seem to change at all, and the zerg just changed into a swarm. In my time so far in Fusang, I have seen only a couple of anima wells change hands, and never a facility. Since White Marks of Venice are awarded according to how many objectives you kept control of, folks really are spread out all over the map making sure the objectives remain in Templar hands. I say Templar specifically because whenever I log in, there are always so many Templars that the map looks like an ant farm, but there is never even a full party of other factions. In fact, I have logged in one faction to find myself the only one, but when I move to Temps, I drown in groups.

Sadly, instead of encouraging more PvP, this implementation seems to have driven out the other two faction members, who no longer have a chance to secure any objectives. Thanks to the constant spread-out zerg of one faction, there isn't even any PvP because there are no other factions to fight!

Wait, why don't the other factions just load in and go fight the Templars, especially when they have access to the underdog buff, granting them control of a guardian?

Well, that would be because they can't even get into Fusang. No, seriously. I was so excited at one point to see some PvP spring up on the map that I ran over to it to try to get in on the action. What I found was one faction (mine) camping the entry point of another. The other faction couldn't even step into Fusang more than a foot before being slaughtered. I turned around and left in disgust.PvP folks, that's pretty counterproductive. How many people are going to keep coming into the zone under that scenario? Few to none, as evidenced by the complete lack of two factions in Fusang. This ended up not only discouraging PvP but also giving one group a chance to earn easy PvP tokens for doing next to nothing.

4. A free ride.

The new system also encourages an even lazier collection of PvP tokens -- for one faction, at least. Basically Templars can load in and sit in the zone all day just soaking up the tokens every three minutes without doing anything other than be outside of the starting area. I was shocked to see myself gaining tokens while grabbing screenshots. At least before, I had to run between objectives!

In effect, we went from one style of PvP token farming to another style of PvP token farming without adding more PvP. And in this scenario, only one faction gets the tokens instead of all three. I am glad that the devs will be monitoring how things go and tweaking; I hope that a huge tweak is in the works for Fusang, which has potential that is still unrealized."

I wouldn't call that "actual pvp". Before it was musical chairs and at least people had to move around, now they just stand still and get rewards.

Originally posted by Kuppa

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/11/26/chaos-theory-tsws-new-pvp-how-do-you-like-them-big-apples/

 

It seems like the pvp changes have been for the worse. I just don't think they though out pvp from the start.

PvP was designed into the fabric of the game from day one. The problem has been slow response to broken abilitites (like really broken) couple that with the AoE everything style battlegrounds, and the lack of Wpvp; Fusang no matter what they tweek will not be enough.

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by Kuppa

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/11/26/chaos-theory-tsws-new-pvp-how-do-you-like-them-big-apples/

 

It seems like the pvp changes have been for the worse. I just don't think they though out pvp from the start.

PvP was designed into the fabric of the game from day one. The problem has been slow response to broken abilitites (like really broken) couple that with the AoE everything style battlegrounds, and the lack of Wpvp; Fusang no matter what they tweek will not be enough.

So it was just horrible design? We can't even tell if balance is ok cause of other issues that are in the way. If it was designed from the get go it people would have also played this game for the pvp, currently most just mention the pve.

Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by Kuppa

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/11/26/chaos-theory-tsws-new-pvp-how-do-you-like-them-big-apples/

 

It seems like the pvp changes have been for the worse. I just don't think they though out pvp from the start.

PvP was designed into the fabric of the game from day one. The problem has been slow response to broken abilitites (like really broken) couple that with the AoE everything style battlegrounds, and the lack of Wpvp; Fusang no matter what they tweek will not be enough.

So it was just horrible design? We can't even tell if balance is ok cause of other issues that are in the way. If it was designed from the get go it people would have also played this game for the pvp, currently most just mention the pve.

Yes horrible design as far as the content and balancing. I've never been one to complain about "balance" if fact I believe balance is a myth. When you have abilities like epicenter which was abviously not balanced with more than one or two applications in mind, then throw everyone one into a phone booth (Stone Henge) with seven or eight epicenters being laid down, you get a real clusterfuck. Epicenter was toned down with the last patch, but it took far too long. 

The ability wheel is too good for the one dimensional content availible. The game needs a pvp server with Opvp rules, and more dynamic maps. 

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by Kuppa

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/11/26/chaos-theory-tsws-new-pvp-how-do-you-like-them-big-apples/

 

It seems like the pvp changes have been for the worse. I just don't think they though out pvp from the start.

PvP was designed into the fabric of the game from day one. The problem has been slow response to broken abilitites (like really broken) couple that with the AoE everything style battlegrounds, and the lack of Wpvp; Fusang no matter what they tweek will not be enough.

So it was just horrible design? We can't even tell if balance is ok cause of other issues that are in the way. If it was designed from the get go it people would have also played this game for the pvp, currently most just mention the pve.

Yes horrible design as far as the content and balancing. I've never been one to complain about "balance" if fact I believe balance is a myth. When you have abilities like epicenter which was abviously not balanced with more than one or two applications in mind, then throw everyone one into a phone booth (Stone Henge) with seven or eight epicenters being laid down, you get a real clusterfuck. Epicenter was toned down with the last patch, but it took far too long. 

 

The ability wheel is too good for the one dimensional content availible. The game needs a pvp server with Opvp rules, and more dynamic maps. 

 

I agree that perfect balance is a myth. But there is such thing as good balance and bad balance(or no balance).

Yes, a pvp server might be kool but that seems like it would be tons of work to pull of at this point of the game.

Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by Kuppa

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/11/26/chaos-theory-tsws-new-pvp-how-do-you-like-them-big-apples/

 

It seems like the pvp changes have been for the worse. I just don't think they though out pvp from the start.

PvP was designed into the fabric of the game from day one. The problem has been slow response to broken abilitites (like really broken) couple that with the AoE everything style battlegrounds, and the lack of Wpvp; Fusang no matter what they tweek will not be enough.

So it was just horrible design? We can't even tell if balance is ok cause of other issues that are in the way. If it was designed from the get go it people would have also played this game for the pvp, currently most just mention the pve.

Yes horrible design as far as the content and balancing. I've never been one to complain about "balance" if fact I believe balance is a myth. When you have abilities like epicenter which was abviously not balanced with more than one or two applications in mind, then throw everyone one into a phone booth (Stone Henge) with seven or eight epicenters being laid down, you get a real clusterfuck. Epicenter was toned down with the last patch, but it took far too long. 

 

The ability wheel is too good for the one dimensional content availible. The game needs a pvp server with Opvp rules, and more dynamic maps. 

 

I agree that perfect balance is a myth. But there is such thing as good balance and bad balance(or no balance).

 

Yes, a pvp server might be kool but that seems like it would be tons of work to pull of at this point of the game.

Yep... so what's next?

Originally posted by ShakyMo
Originally they planned to lock you to a single character like uo and darkfall. Can't help thinking giving into the complaints about that one damaged the pvp.

I think you have a point here.

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by ShakyMo
Originally they planned to lock you to a single character like uo and darkfall. Can't help thinking giving into the complaints about that one damaged the pvp.

I think you have a point here.

That sounds like a pretty hardcore thing to do. Definately not AAA game realm.

Fantastic PvP changes, I love Fusang now more than ever.

Really cool and I´m looking forward to what new creative ideas they come up with