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  User Deleted
11/28/12 8:12:55 AM#21
Originally posted by Icewhite
Originally posted by The_Korrigan

PS: I welcome anyone playing with a joypad to duel me in any World vs World area of his choice, 1 vs 1. I will show him why mouse view is still superior to any stupid joystick-like controler, something which has been true since the early days of Doom 20+ years ago.

Well, pretty sure that's a safe challenge.

Haven't even seen my joystick in more than a decade.

Oh, you were flex-and-posing at the console guys.  Nevah mind.

Oh no, not "flex and posing"... just stating the obvious.

If what I say wasn't true, and joysticks were superior for MMORPGs, then all those guys doing competitions (aka "eSport") in games like WoW would be using joysticks and not mouse+keyboard combos. The "top" sPvP guilds in GW2 would be using joysticks too. They don't, for a very good reason - a mouse + keyboard combo beats any type of joystick/joypad/console controller any time of the day in a MMORPG.

Oh and before someone post that... I know there are videos around of people doing PvP with a controler. Those prove nothing except that controlers actually... suck compared to a mouse :)

  User Deleted
11/28/12 9:35:34 AM#22


Originally posted by The_Korrigan

Originally posted by Icewhite

Originally posted by The_Korrigan PS: I welcome anyone playing with a joypad to duel me in any World vs World area of his choice, 1 vs 1. I will show him why mouse view is still superior to any stupid joystick-like controler, something which has been true since the early days of Doom 20+ years ago.
Well, pretty sure that's a safe challenge. Haven't even seen my joystick in more than a decade. Oh, you were flex-and-posing at the console guys.  Nevah mind.
Oh no, not "flex and posing"... just stating the obvious.

If what I say wasn't true, and joysticks were superior for MMORPGs, then all those guys doing competitions (aka "eSport") in games like WoW would be using joysticks and not mouse+keyboard combos. The "top" sPvP guilds in GW2 would be using joysticks too. They don't, for a very good reason - a mouse + keyboard combo beats any type of joystick/joypad/console controller any time of the day in a MMORPG.

Oh and before someone post that... I know there are videos around of people doing PvP with a controler. Those prove nothing except that controlers actually... suck compared to a mouse :)



Its because mmo combat isnt good enough yet to warrant a gamepad.

  User Deleted
11/28/12 9:39:57 AM#23
Originally posted by Foomerang
Its because mmo combat isnt good enough yet to warrant a gamepad.

That's the reason why mouse+keyboard are also the best for FPS games then? The only reason controlers work on consoles is because there's no choice. Playing a FPS with a mouse gives WAY superior control and precision - and that's why despite having the choice, all FPS top gamers on PC play with a mouse.

Fact is, games which allow multiplayer between computer and console always either see a complete dominance by the computer players over the console players, or give the console players some degree of auto-aim to make up for it. This isn't really a controversial question. It's a fact. Mouse > Controller. And that's the reason why Microsoft gave up allowing PC players and console players to play those games together, even though the initially intended to support it on the 360.

  Thorbrand

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11/28/12 9:43:16 AM#24
Step uip and stop playing any MMOs until they start to release a real MMO.
  User Deleted
11/28/12 10:22:43 AM#25


Originally posted by The_Korrigan

Originally posted by Foomerang Its because mmo combat isnt good enough yet to warrant a gamepad.
That's the reason why mouse+keyboard are also the best for FPS games then? The only reason controlers work on consoles is because there's no choice. Playing a FPS with a mouse gives WAY superior control and precision - and that's why despite having the choice, all FPS top gamers on PC play with a mouse.

Fact is, games which allow multiplayer between computer and console always either see a complete dominance by the computer players over the console players, or give the console players some degree of auto-aim to make up for it. This isn't really a controversial question. It's a fact. Mouse > Controller. And that's the reason why Microsoft gave up allowing PC players and console players to play those games together, even though the initially intended to support it on the 360.


Really? Cause last time i checked, the number of world ranked fighting game tournaments outnumbers mmo pvp tournaments nearly 20 to 1. Trying to bandwagon current mmo combat into fps is straw man at its finest. Oh mmo combat and fps both use kb and mouse? That proves mmos are at the same level? Haha. No.

When an mmo has the same depth of abilities and reaction time as virtua fighter 5, then i will agree with you. But mmo combat in its current form is not even close. I mean you guys are still giddy from having a dodge button lol. You have a long way to go.

  botrytis

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11/28/12 10:28:00 AM#26
Originally posted by Thorbrand
Step uip and stop playing any MMOs until they start to release a real MMO.

Really? Why not just stop postong on MMORPG.COM while not playing MMO's also? I for wone ge sick of people that have to post negative non-sense drivvle in a basically positive thread.

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  aRtFuLThinG

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11/28/12 3:29:12 PM#27
Originally posted by RizelStar
Originally posted by eyelolled
Originally posted by aRtFuLThinG
Originally posted by Exavus

I think this game has the most to offer for no monthly fee.

Before Planetside 2 came out, I would agree with you.

 

Now, not so sure.

 

Also, Firefall is coming out too, which is also free.

Does Planetside 2 or firefall have PvE content?

Firefall does have pve not as exciting as it is with GW2 but a good side game though. 

 

For got to add for [me].

 

I think though with a lot of people playing it can be fun as well.

Yeah as he said.

 

Planetside 2 have no pve but because there is a lot of people playing all the time, it feels very persistent and ongoing, perhaps more so than GW2 in some cases.

 

GW2 did definitely do it well though, probably the first b2p/f2p mmo to trully have any sort of quality worthy of mentioning and set the bar for the rest to come imo.

  RizelStar

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11/28/12 4:47:24 PM#28
Originally posted by aRtFuLThinG
Originally posted by RizelStar
Originally posted by eyelolled
Originally posted by aRtFuLThinG
Originally posted by Exavus

I think this game has the most to offer for no monthly fee.

Before Planetside 2 came out, I would agree with you.

 

Now, not so sure.

 

Also, Firefall is coming out too, which is also free.

Does Planetside 2 or firefall have PvE content?

Firefall does have pve not as exciting as it is with GW2 but a good side game though. 

 

For got to add for [me].

 

I think though with a lot of people playing it can be fun as well.

Yeah as he said.

 

Planetside 2 have no pve but because there is a lot of people playing all the time, it feels very persistent and ongoing, perhaps more so than GW2 in some cases.

 

GW2 did definitely do it well though, probably the first b2p/f2p mmo to trully have any sort of quality worthy of mentioning and set the bar for the rest to come imo.

That and GW 2 has pretty much 3 games in one, so of course it's gonna seem a lot more people in Planet Side 2 because thats what you log on for PVP not for pvp,pve,and spvp you know?

So it's expected IMO and PSO2 since they mainly focused on that part it's going to be entertaining regardless. I get my Sci Fi fix for that and Firefall.

For 8v8 stuff I play Halo 4 for that, then for my main mmorpg I play Guild Wars 2.

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  User Deleted
11/29/12 6:00:58 AM#29
Originally posted by Foomerang

 


Originally posted by The_Korrigan

Originally posted by Foomerang Its because mmo combat isnt good enough yet to warrant a gamepad.
That's the reason why mouse+keyboard are also the best for FPS games then? The only reason controlers work on consoles is because there's no choice. Playing a FPS with a mouse gives WAY superior control and precision - and that's why despite having the choice, all FPS top gamers on PC play with a mouse.

 

Fact is, games which allow multiplayer between computer and console always either see a complete dominance by the computer players over the console players, or give the console players some degree of auto-aim to make up for it. This isn't really a controversial question. It's a fact. Mouse > Controller. And that's the reason why Microsoft gave up allowing PC players and console players to play those games together, even though the initially intended to support it on the 360.


 

Really? Cause last time i checked, the number of world ranked fighting game tournaments outnumbers mmo pvp tournaments nearly 20 to 1. Trying to bandwagon current mmo combat into fps is straw man at its finest. Oh mmo combat and fps both use kb and mouse? That proves mmos are at the same level? Haha. No.

When an mmo has the same depth of abilities and reaction time as virtua fighter 5, then i will agree with you. But mmo combat in its current form is not even close. I mean you guys are still giddy from having a dodge button lol. You have a long way to go.

In case you missed it, I remind you this website is called "mmorpg.com", and we mostly talk about MMORPGs here. I just gave the FPS example to show MMO's arent the only ones played with mouse rather than controller.

Otherwise, it's the eternal "console vs pc" war. I played a lot of those fighting games when I was younger, and while fun, none of them comes even close to the depth of a MMORPG or even a good FPS to me. I'd rather stab my eyes with a fork than to play another virtua fighter or other street fighter evolved clone. Pretending that two characters with limited abilities and some combos bashing each other for a short time is even remotely close complexity wise to e.g. a good raid boss fight in a MMORPG is, to me, nonsense. And I won't even mention all the other things a MMO (or even just a RPG like Skyrim) provide that those very simplistic fighting games don't.

But I'm sure that for the average console gamer, things like "virtua fighter" are very complex... =P

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11/29/12 6:05:34 AM#30
Originally posted by The_Korrigan
I also tried to play Pandaria - and I had a blast with my Druid and later my DK for almost 8 years in WoW, but I just can't anymore... I don't think I'll ever be able to play a game with quest hubs and classic MMO combat.

Same here.

 

Even though I didnt really quit per se, I did reduce my play time considerably.  That was until last week when I decided to reroll a new class I never gave a shot, the Guardian.  I got to say its way more fun then my Warrior and Thief ever was.  Level 43 now and having a total blast AGAIN!

 

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11/29/12 2:22:46 PM#31
Originally posted by The_Korrigan
I also tried to play Pandaria - and I had a blast with my Druid and later my DK for almost 8 years in WoW, but I just can't anymore... I don't think I'll ever be able to play a game with quest hubs and classic MMO combat.

 

I'm with you on this one. After GW2 I simply cannot go back to quest hubs and WoW combat no matter how many friends have all but begged me to return to WoW. I will never pay a company to sit around town waiting for the dungeon finder to 'seat me' or go to x zone and do the same 30 quests every day just to build an ounce of rep with generic group x just to get some piece of gear or crafting recipe of a piece of gear. I just could not get myself to ever do that again 'and' pay for the privilege.

I still play GW2 a few times a week, off and on depending on what other games are out. (PS2 has taken most my gaming time since it came out but I'm starting to slow down). But even at that pace, I still feel that GW2 is beyond superior game (for me), to WoW and its clones.

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12/04/12 2:48:29 AM#32
@ OP: Try Skyrim.

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  pedrostrik

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12/04/12 10:31:27 AM#33
Originally posted by Volkon
Originally posted by The_Korrigan
I also tried to play Pandaria - and I had a blast with my Druid and later my DK for almost 8 years in WoW, but I just can't anymore... I don't think I'll ever be able to play a game with quest hubs and classic MMO combat.

 

Remember in the old days in MMOs when you couldn't even dodge and someone else had to heal you?

man i tried Aion and couldnt take it more than 30 mins , the combat system on GW2 makes the other ''classic'' games look like garbage, GW2 its full of bugs and some stuff its not working as we like but the overall its far away better than ''old'' MMO's

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