Pretty big nerf to HML's.

Will my Tengu still be top dog and have fast clear times of lvl4's?

What can I expect out of these balance changes?

i can tell you several major alliances are chainging their doctrines from shield to armor.

Finally. I was born Amarr damn it.

In other words HML's are crap now...

Great. All those SPs I invested into missiles are now worthless.

Heavy Missiles are losing ~25% of both Range and Damage. iirc it is down from 72km to 58km base.

Missile launchers will now be affected by Targeting Disruptors for a further range reduction.

The ship bonuses are getting 'adjusted', but I don't have the specifics to hand.

All-in-all, the premeire missile boats are getting hit like a steel toed boot to the teeth, just before being shoved off a building into a dumpster of broken glass.

It was fairly obvious they were too strong, but I feel the nerfing may be a bit too hard. With what I see coming I wouldn't even dream of a L4 running Drake without using HAMs or something, HML's no longer make the cut. YMMV

So I guess I won't be resubbing then.

Oh well. Thanks for the heads up.

Originally posted by CyclopsSlayer

Heavy Missiles are losing ~25% of both Range and Damage. iirc it is down from 72km to 58km base.

Missile launchers will now be affected by Targeting Disruptors for a further range reduction.

The ship bonuses are getting 'adjusted', but I don't have the specifics to hand.

 

All-in-all, the premeire missile boats are getting hit like a steel toed boot to the teeth, just before being shoved off a building into a dumpster of broken glass.

It was fairly obvious they were too strong, but I feel the nerfing may be a bit too hard. With what I see coming I wouldn't even dream of a L4 running Drake without using HAMs or something, HML's no longer make the cut. YMMV

Most of that is not happening anymore or at least reduced. I would suggest checking out this thread for the current changes https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155029&find=unread

Originally posted by Hekket

Pretty big nerf to HML's.

Will my Tengu still be top dog and have fast clear times of lvl4's?

What can I expect out of these balance changes?

 Doesn't concern me , Lv4 Nitehawk ftw~! :D    Nothing beats a ship version of the A-Team truck.

So any real reason for this?

I remember the Drake was a great level 3 mission runner and helped people train for battleship shield related skills, while still being able to make isk, which is the biggest barriers to new players.

I dont understand the logic of it being over-powered. So if they take it down a few notches that just means the next BC in line to accend is now over-powered, they going to nerf that also?

I understand Drakes were a pain in the ass to kill in PvP, but then again on their own they were more or less just waiting to die, meaning they couldnt really kill anything, such as a well set up Myrm, etc.

Hell, you dont even see them in the Alliance Tournament anymore just because they arnt worth the points to field them.

If anything CCP should be boosting the other BC's, such as the Prophecy. Which wasnt such a bad BC when it could field a decent amount of drones. Was actually may gank ship of choice when I went low sec hunting.

But its been awhile since I played, and for the most part CCP is pretty smart when it comes to balance. Although I just think they (like most PvP'rs) dislike the Drake cause its a hard tank to break, not because its over-powered.

Missile skills are like gunery. You can't say they are wasted because HML are getting a swat with the nerf bat. It's like saying my gunnery are junk because they nerfed medium rails.

That said, HML is getting a punch in the nose. Drake won't survive as a null fleet doctrine any more. It was a High Sec favorite for the exclusive passive tank and capless dps. That won't change. Tengu can always switch out to rails subsytem and will manage to be usefull. it was the Null bear favorite for the sig rad and it was a bitch to scan down.

The only thing I am a bit annoyed about is the tracking enhancers won't influence missiles and I don't think it's a delay. I've seen them do this many times before. I don't expect they ever will and that was a god send to cruise and torp Raven users from old days.

Originally posted by Teala
Biggest news coming from EVE is the death of WIS.   Team Avatar is no more and WIS is not even going to be a part of the game any longer.   So the walking in closets is all WIS will ever be.   Here I thought CCP was a game company that was truly making a difference in the MMO industry...I was sadly mistaken.   

I've read nothing of this, and can't find anything on it through google... but I would be very disappointed if it were true. Closest I could find is http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/10/08/ccp-still-iterating-on-eves-bipedal-gameplay/

On topic, my main flies Minmatar and uses arty / ACs anyway, so this won't effect me much if I ever go back.

I'm not sure what to think any more they just seem to be trying to fix things but not if you know what i mean. Still have to wait and see how it pans out.

Bandit

Originally posted by NightBandit

I'm not sure what to think any more they just seem to be trying to fix things but not if you know what i mean. Still have to wait and see how it pans out.

Bandit

EVE is losing ground. You can feel it. You know the game you play, you sense something different. This isn't the same old, same old EVE is dieing again. It's on the decline. CCP want to stop the bleeding, rightly so but they need more than just bells, whistles and smoke and mirrors.

Set aside the missile foolishness, look at all the other stuff in retribution and its a big patch. It's not an expansion though. It's a patch. They need an expansion. Something bigger than Sov for null to build, something for HS to build. There is no motivation in the game right now. All you do is grind ISK and burn it off, repeat and rinse. update skill queue.

Originally posted by Teala
Biggest news coming from EVE is the death of WIS.   Team Avatar is no more and WIS is not even going to be a part of the game any longer.   So the walking in closets is all WIS will ever be.   Here I thought CCP was a game company that was truly making a difference in the MMO industry...I was sadly mistaken.   

"Biggest news"??? Rofl. Hardly any EVE players care about WIS. It's a waste of time and pointless compared to other things that you can do in-game. How would CCP be making a 'difference' by making the game more like other mmos? CCP made a difference when they released EVE.

Originally posted by Rednecksith

Originally posted by Teala
Biggest news coming from EVE is the death of WIS.   Team Avatar is no more and WIS is not even going to be a part of the game any longer.   So the walking in closets is all WIS will ever be.   Here I thought CCP was a game company that was truly making a difference in the MMO industry...I was sadly mistaken.   

I've read nothing of this, and can't find anything on it through google... but I would be very disappointed if it were true. Closest I could find is http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/10/08/ccp-still-iterating-on-eves-bipedal-gameplay/

On topic, my main flies Minmatar and uses arty / ACs anyway, so this won't effect me much if I ever go back.

• Team Avatar doesn't exist anymore. As per the thread linked earlier our prototype has been shelved for the time being. Please read both my post and the one from CCP Unifex for the full picture on what's happening with WIS development at the moment. The team members are off working on a whole bunch of stuff from the launcher, through to new game features.
• WoD is definitely still in development and development is split off from EVE so that they can concentrate on their game and making it awesome.

EVE Software Engineer
Team Avatar

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Originally posted by Teala
Team Avatar doesn't exist anymore. As per the thread linked earlier our prototype has been shelved for the time being. Please read both my post and the one from CCP Unifex for the full picture on what's happening with WIS development at the moment. The team members are off working on a whole bunch of stuff from the launcher, through to new game features.

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Fantastic news, the whole Team Avatar thing was a colossal waste of development resources, which added nothing to EVE and showed no potential of ever doing so.

Put 'em all to work on Flying In Space, not Walking In Stations.

Originally posted by free2play

Originally posted by NightBandit

I'm not sure what to think any more they just seem to be trying to fix things but not if you know what i mean. Still have to wait and see how it pans out.

Bandit

EVE is losing ground. You can feel it. You know the game you play, you sense something different. This isn't the same old, same old EVE is dieing again. It's on the decline. CCP want to stop the bleeding, rightly so but they need more than just bells, whistles and smoke and mirrors.

Set aside the missile foolishness, look at all the other stuff in retribution and its a big patch. It's not an expansion though. It's a patch. They need an expansion. Something bigger than Sov for null to build, something for HS to build. There is no motivation in the game right now. All you do is grind ISK and burn it off, repeat and rinse. update skill queue.

Pretty much the impression I've had of EVE over the past year.

I haven't played since the Noctis was added to the game so it's been a long while.

CCP has really gone down hill it seems. 

I've invested so much time, ISK and personal money into the game to get manly missile skills and ships only to have it ripped from my hands and made obsolete in a blink of an eye. Bad, bad move.

If they wanted to nerf the drake then they should've nerfed the drake. Not every single HML ship in the game.

Was going to resub to check out the newest patch and the inferno patch content but after reading the balance changes, that is most definetly out of the question.

If they want my money then they need to leave my Tengu the f*** alone. POS CCP.

Hekket, are you saying that Drakes and Tengus are currently correctly balanced? (and therefore, presumably, it's just a coincidence that they are used so much more often than other battlecruisers / strategic cruisers)

Or are you saying that even though they're not balanced, you don't care - they may be OP ships, but they're your OP ships, dammit, and if they don't stay OP, you're going to take your bat and ball and go home?

Originally posted by Banquetto

Hekket, are you saying that Drakes and Tengus are currently correctly balanced? (and therefore, presumably, it's just a coincidence that they are used so much more often than other battlecruisers / strategic cruisers)

Or are you saying that even though they're not balanced, you don't care - they may be OP ships, but they're your OP ships, dammit, and if they don't stay OP, you're going to take your bat and ball and go home?

Pretty much yeah.

I don't give a damn if they're OP or not, I invested a crap ton of SP, ISK and Real life money into getting them and fitting them and if you think for a second that I'm just gonna be all like "Okay CCP! Sounds good! I can't wait for you to nerf the ever living f*** out my stuff!" then you are out of your freaking mind. No. You are legally insane.

You know what. I wouldn't be all that mad if they would at the very least give me a refund on my skill points. But I think we all know that ain't happenin'

Not that I ever showed up with my bat and ball in the first place anyway. I always was the homely type.