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  Zekiah

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Joined: 1/06/07
Posts: 2531

Hype (noun)
1. to trick; gull.
2. exaggerated publicity; hoopla.
3. swindle, deception, or trick.

 
OP  11/26/12 2:11:48 PM#21
Originally posted by MindTrigger
 

Since there is no proof of wide-spread MMO game developer scamming on Kickstarter, I'll go ahead and trust these guys.  They are putting their real names and reputations on the line, and they aren't hiding a thing.  There are shady projects out there, and they aren't hard to avoid.  I wouldn't give the developer of Xsyon a penny on his new kickstarter, for example, but that's just my opinion.  

I've backed several projects on Kickstarted and a couple of them have failed, but they clearly tried to get their business going.  Also, Kickstarter isn't in the scam business and I doubt they are planning to let their site become known for it.  Why don't you go read up on some of the awesome success stories to come out of that site, both big and small.

So really, this whole thread was created because you were already a naysayer, and you wanted to come here and give people the impression that this game must be a scam.  I'm starting to understand where you are coming from now.

Um no, actually I was all ready to donate @  the $300 level with a friend until I started researching their background through links someone else provided.

But just go on presuming you know me and my intentions, that's fine. Might as well go ahead and call me a hater and a troll too, that's par for the course and how it works around here.

Shall I go ahead and call you a fanboi now or later?

Get a grip my friend. There's no reason why these discussions always have to go down the toilet, do they? I prefer adult conversation if we can do that.

"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky

  MindTrigger

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Joined: 12/19/07
Posts: 2628

11/26/12 2:43:17 PM#22
Originally posted by Zekiah
Originally posted by MindTrigger
 

Since there is no proof of wide-spread MMO game developer scamming on Kickstarter, I'll go ahead and trust these guys.  They are putting their real names and reputations on the line, and they aren't hiding a thing.  There are shady projects out there, and they aren't hard to avoid.  I wouldn't give the developer of Xsyon a penny on his new kickstarter, for example, but that's just my opinion.  

I've backed several projects on Kickstarted and a couple of them have failed, but they clearly tried to get their business going.  Also, Kickstarter isn't in the scam business and I doubt they are planning to let their site become known for it.  Why don't you go read up on some of the awesome success stories to come out of that site, both big and small.

So really, this whole thread was created because you were already a naysayer, and you wanted to come here and give people the impression that this game must be a scam.  I'm starting to understand where you are coming from now.

Um no, actually I was all ready to donate @  the $300 level with a friend until I started researching their background through links someone else provided.

But just go on presuming you know me and my intentions, that's fine. Might as well go ahead and call me a hater and a troll too, that's par for the course and how it works around here.

Shall I go ahead and call you a fanboi now or later?

Get a grip my friend. There's no reason why these discussions always have to go down the toilet, do they? I prefer adult conversation if we can do that.

I am sorry if you feel I am trying to fire up an argument here. I meant no personal attack though my comments did track that direction.

What got me going was people complaining about stock assets being used in a small shop indy title, and then the conversation became about kickstarter which I think, on the whole, is a great addition to the good of the world and capitalism. While there are no doubt people trying to pull scams, they are easy to spot and avoid. 

I can understand being wary about backing this title for $300.  I wouldn't do that without ongoing updates either.  Frankly I was surprised to see so many people back the this title for large amounts with so little information, but then I only did $50 which is a show of good faith and support for an interesting idea.

Peace to you.

A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.

  Mogus

Novice Member

Joined: 5/21/04
Posts: 176

11/26/12 2:57:19 PM#23

Wow,

 so I see our friend Brash has made an appearance here as well. It's hard for me to knock Brash because I know her cynicism stems from a failed effort at her own projects in the past so she finds it impossible to understand how someone else could achieve what she hasn't. I'm sure in time Brash will become as big a supporter of Greed Monger as she is currently a naysayer.

It's been pointed out everywhere that we have purchased assets from other modelers and developers and thankfully, many of you seem to understand how commonplace the practice really is. If there is a 3D model, animations or scripts that you can purchase somewhere instead of paying $30-$60 an hour to create from scratch, WHY NOT?! :)

I have thousands of dollars in assets I've purchased to get our programmers started on various elements of the game. I also have lots of custom assets being developed right now by multiple artists. It's just how things are done, especially for an indie team like ourselves.

As for the combat demo, yes, it's been taking a while because Greed Mongers development focus hasn't been strictly on a demo for combat to appease a few people. Our focus has been on the most important aspecs of project such as world size, development, server side programming, planning and world building. I have a team of full time programmers currently working on their own projects within the game world and only one working on the combat demo on the side. I assumed we would be able to have one ready before the campaign ended but honestly, it's just not been our primary focus.

I completely understand if you prefer to wait to pledge or support the game before seeing the combat. The fact is, our combat system is pretty in depth and there is no way to develop the system in a months time. I could show you a video of my toon blasting something some with spells until it dies, but that's nowhere near representative of what the final system will be like and in the MMO world, as soon as you show anything, thats it! It's cast in stone and accepted or rejected as is. It's not worth the hassle.

We are focused on doing everything we can to ensure we host an Alpha Test phase for our Kickstarter backers. That's our goal and thats what we are doing, maybe you should wait until then to find out if the game is worth your interest. In the meantime, you are more than welcome to visit our forums and engage the community. You will find lots of information there that may hold you over a while.

Thank you all!

 

www.greedmonger.com
Did you like Ultima Online? Then you'll LOVE Greed Monger!

  MindTrigger

Advanced Member

Joined: 12/19/07
Posts: 2628

11/26/12 3:18:21 PM#24
Originally posted by Mogus

Wow,

 so I see our friend Brash has made an appearance here as well. It's hard for me to knock Brash because I know her cynicism stems from a failed effort at her own projects in the past so she finds it impossible to understand how someone else could achieve what she hasn't. I'm sure in time Brash will become as big a supporter of Greed Monger as she is currently a naysayer.

It's been pointed out everywhere that we have purchased assets from other modelers and developers and thankfully, many of you seem to understand how commonplace the practice really is. If there is a 3D model, animations or scripts that you can purchase somewhere instead of paying $30-$60 an hour to create from scratch, WHY NOT?! :)

I have thousands of dollars in assets I've purchased to get our programmers started on various elements of the game. I also have lots of custom assets being developed right now by multiple artists. It's just how things are done, especially for an indie team like ourselves.

As for the combat demo, yes, it's been taking a while because Greed Mongers development focus hasn't been strictly on a demo for combat to appease a few people. Our focus has been on the most important aspecs of project such as world size, development, server side programming, planning and world building. I have a team of full time programmers currently working on their own projects within the game world and only one working on the combat demo on the side. I assumed we would be able to have one ready before the campaign ended but honestly, it's just not been our primary focus.

I completely understand if you prefer to wait to pledge or support the game before seeing the combat. The fact is, our combat system is pretty in depth and there is no way to develop the system in a months time. I could show you a video of my toon blasting something some with spells until it dies, but that's nowhere near representative of what the final system will be like and in the MMO world, as soon as you show anything, thats it! It's cast in stone and accepted or rejected as is. It's not worth the hassle.

We are focused on doing everything we can to ensure we host an Alpha Test phase for our Kickstarter backers. That's our goal and thats what we are doing, maybe you should wait until then to find out if the game is worth your interest. In the meantime, you are more than welcome to visit our forums and engage the community. You will find lots of information there that may hold you over a while.

Thank you all!

You bring up a good point here about games being condemned based on releasing too much early information. We've seen that time and time again.  Most MMO developers have learned not to show much of anything until they approach beta, and even then there is an NDA in place for closed testers to avoid just the disaster you are referring to. Screenshots have to be labled with disclaimers that say "Alpha or Beta" on them and whatnot, and still people will complain about the slightest thing they don't like and assume it's written in stone.

If I were you, I wouldn't be in any hurry to release unfinished gameplay videos just to satisfy a few people either.  You have a lot of support now, and if some people can't understand that the game is in very early development, then they shouldn't be concerned with pledging dollars this early.

Thanks for your posts today.

A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.

  Talketzanto

Novice Member

Joined: 11/14/11
Posts: 125

11/26/12 3:51:55 PM#25
Being able to have your own house and making small towns is worth enough for me to play.......Everything else is just going to be a bonus......BTW im a huge UO fan.....and im also a huge pvper....but im not to worried about that part
  Arglebargle

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Joined: 6/13/07
Posts: 1045

11/26/12 4:29:47 PM#26

All the people who complain endlessly about 'no sandboxes' should be running to support this.

 

Me, I have some qualms about the whole thing.  Some pretty basic issues too.  I mean, if you can't even come up with a good name for your project, it casts some suspicion on other, upcoming choices.  Greed Monger is not a great moniker to get stuck with.  It immediately turned me off, and I imagine others had similar responses.   I know there has been talk of changing the name:   That's something that should have been seriously considered long before any public release of info.   It's also bad form to change names in the middle of the stream, though sometimes you have to, if your original choice was already taken, or,  just not very good.   I consider it a stumble right out of the gate.

 

 

 

 

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  Mogus

Novice Member

Joined: 5/21/04
Posts: 176

11/27/12 10:48:51 AM#27

The name has grown on many a fans of the game and will remain as it was concieved.

 

www.greedmonger.com
Did you like Ultima Online? Then you'll LOVE Greed Monger!

  blognorg

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Joined: 2/25/11
Posts: 650

11/27/12 1:43:55 PM#28


Originally posted by Mogus Wow,  so I see our friend Brash has made an appearance here as well. It's hard for me to knock Brash because I know her cynicism stems from a failed effort at her own projects in the past so she finds it impossible to understand how someone else could achieve what she hasn't. I'm sure in time Brash will become as big a supporter of Greed Monger as she is currently a naysayer. It's been pointed out everywhere that we have purchased assets from other modelers and developers and thankfully, many of you seem to understand how commonplace the practice really is. If there is a 3D model, animations or scripts that you can purchase somewhere instead of paying $30-$60 an hour to create from scratch, WHY NOT?! :) I have thousands of dollars in assets I've purchased to get our programmers started on various elements of the game. I also have lots of custom assets being developed right now by multiple artists. It's just how things are done, especially for an indie team like ourselves. As for the combat demo, yes, it's been taking a while because Greed Mongers development focus hasn't been strictly on a demo for combat to appease a few people. Our focus has been on the most important aspecs of project such as world size, development, server side programming, planning and world building. I have a team of full time programmers currently working on their own projects within the game world and only one working on the combat demo on the side. I assumed we would be able to have one ready before the campaign ended but honestly, it's just not been our primary focus. I completely understand if you prefer to wait to pledge or support the game before seeing the combat. The fact is, our combat system is pretty in depth and there is no way to develop the system in a months time. I could show you a video of my toon blasting something some with spells until it dies, but that's nowhere near representative of what the final system will be like and in the MMO world, as soon as you show anything, thats it! It's cast in stone and accepted or rejected as is. It's not worth the hassle. We are focused on doing everything we can to ensure we host an Alpha Test phase for our Kickstarter backers. That's our goal and thats what we are doing, maybe you should wait until then to find out if the game is worth your interest. In the meantime, you are more than welcome to visit our forums and engage the community. You will find lots of information there that may hold you over a while. Thank you all!  


That seems a little needlessly acerbic to be directed at some random forum-goer. As a developer now, you should be above attacks on naysayers and grow thicker skin. If EA employees took every negative comment to heart, they would've all hung themselves long ago. Just a thought.

  Deerhunter71

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11/27/12 7:05:02 PM#29
Originally posted by xDayx

In addition Brash I find it odd how someone would be so obsessed with badmouthing a indie mmo. If its a bad game then so be it. It wouldn't be the 1st time an indie studio promised more than they can chew off. In other words why spend soooo much time not liking how a developer didn't seem candid enuf for you. Besides you don't have to back it if you don't want. 

And as a final thought, be kind to people rather than being hellbent on tearing them down. Try not to be hateful for a change. Yeah you may lose out on 164 hours of trolling on various mmo sites, but it may get you further in the RL afterlife if you try not to be hateful.

Sounds like she tried to do a project or something and failed - so now she will just bash others.....

  Mogus

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Joined: 5/21/04
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11/27/12 11:57:14 PM#30

Blognorg,

 my post, though seemingly aggressive was merely an assumption based on what I've witnessed as Brash has made many of these attempts on multiple forums. She stated on another forum that she had made an effort in creating a game of her own and failed. I wasn't attacking her, just re-stating what she has said herself elsewhere.

I really dont know why she has taken it upon herself to attack me and our game development efforts other than her own self loathing for her previous failures and her jealousy of what others are accomplishing that she couldn't. I KNOW, that sounds bad! But I just call it how I see it. If she didn't want people to have that perception of her, then she shouldn't be trying so hard  to use her failures as a cause for doubt in what others are doing.

I honestly have no real ill will towards Brash (though it appears that way) and hope instead of viewing what I'm doing as a threat or something that angers her, maybe she will recalibrate her goals and make a better effort to achieve what she had set out to in the past and find better success. I'd even be willing to lend a hand where possible.

It just is what it is I guess.

 

 

www.greedmonger.com
Did you like Ultima Online? Then you'll LOVE Greed Monger!

  blognorg

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Joined: 2/25/11
Posts: 650

11/28/12 2:50:37 AM#31


Originally posted by Mogus Blognorg,  my post, though seemingly aggressive was merely an assumption based on what I've witnessed as Brash has made many of these attempts on multiple forums. She stated on another forum that she had made an effort in creating a game of her own and failed. I wasn't attacking her, just re-stating what she has said herself elsewhere. I really dont know why she has taken it upon herself to attack me and our game development efforts other than her own self loathing for her previous failures and her jealousy of what others are accomplishing that she couldn't. I KNOW, that sounds bad! But I just call it how I see it. If she didn't want people to have that perception of her, then she shouldn't be trying so hard  to use her failures as a cause for doubt in what others are doing. I honestly have no real ill will towards Brash (though it appears that way) and hope instead of viewing what I'm doing as a threat or something that angers her, maybe she will recalibrate her goals and make a better effort to achieve what she had set out to in the past and find better success. I'd even be willing to lend a hand where possible. It just is what it is I guess.    
 


I wasn't implying that you wished her ill will. I was just letting you know that your response came off as a little petty. You're running a successful Kickstarter and are living your dream. Why concern yourself with haters? Don't be another LeBron James ;-)

  Zekiah

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Joined: 1/06/07
Posts: 2531

Hype (noun)
1. to trick; gull.
2. exaggerated publicity; hoopla.
3. swindle, deception, or trick.

 
OP  11/28/12 9:07:10 AM#32
Originally posted by Mogus

Blognorg,

 my post, though seemingly aggressive was merely an assumption based on what I've witnessed as Brash has made many of these attempts on multiple forums. She stated on another forum that she had made an effort in creating a game of her own and failed. I wasn't attacking her, just re-stating what she has said herself elsewhere.

I really dont know why she has taken it upon herself to attack me and our game development efforts other than her own self loathing for her previous failures and her jealousy of what others are accomplishing that she couldn't. I KNOW, that sounds bad! But I just call it how I see it. If she didn't want people to have that perception of her, then she shouldn't be trying so hard  to use her failures as a cause for doubt in what others are doing.

I honestly have no real ill will towards Brash (though it appears that way) and hope instead of viewing what I'm doing as a threat or something that angers her, maybe she will recalibrate her goals and make a better effort to achieve what she had set out to in the past and find better success. I'd even be willing to lend a hand where possible.

It just is what it is I guess.

Wow. Hypocrisy much? That was pretty sad there guy.

It's sad that you come here and bash people like that, regardless of their motives, developers should be above that crap. It seems you have at least two on your team (yourself included) that like to do just that.

Bottom line is, she made very valid points. Perhaps she was, as you say, "calling it like she sees it". Your only video shows things you PAID FOR. What looks impressive at first is just a collection of internet purchases and I'm glad I found out before tossing you my cash. You haven't proven to be competent for the job, only that you're a good online shopper.

My advice would be to focus on the development of your game instead of bashing people here, it makes you and your company look bad.

"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky

  Mogus

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11/28/12 10:42:03 AM#33

Zekiah,

 that wasn't bashing her.

If you tell me your cat has an ugly mole on it's face and I then repeat it, am I insulting your cat?

Brash explained her past failures in another forum thread. I simply re-counted what she has said previously.

lol this is getting silly.

I've simply taken the information I've been presented with and formed a conclusion. Nothing more.

As far as assets, here is an update that may interest some of you

Look, as far as I'm concerned, Brash is neither here nor there. Wish you all the best.

 

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Did you like Ultima Online? Then you'll LOVE Greed Monger!

  Zekiah

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Hype (noun)
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2. exaggerated publicity; hoopla.
3. swindle, deception, or trick.

 
OP  11/28/12 11:04:46 AM#34
Originally posted by Mogus

Zekiah,

 that wasn't bashing her.

If you tell me your cat has an ugly mole on it's face and I then repeat it, am I insulting your cat?

Brash explained her past failures in another forum thread. I simply re-counted what she has said previously.

lol this is getting silly.

I've simply taken the information I've been presented with and formed a conclusion. Nothing more.

As far as assets, here is an update that may interest some of you

Look, as far as I'm concerned, Brash is neither here nor there. Wish you all the best.

 

Regardless of what she has said in the past, you're using that against her as your defense. She has simply stated FACTS about your game and you turn around and use personal information to bash her. It's that simple, and sad. Developers need to be above those kinds of tactics in order to be successful.

As far as the link goes, I see some blueprints. So what? For all we know, you purchased those online too.

But I do agree, it's getting silly. Can't believe you even partake in these discussions, I'd be trying to code if I were you.

"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky

  dracomun

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11/28/12 8:42:50 PM#35
Originally posted by Zekiah
Originally posted by Mogus

Zekiah,

 that wasn't bashing her.

If you tell me your cat has an ugly mole on it's face and I then repeat it, am I insulting your cat?

Brash explained her past failures in another forum thread. I simply re-counted what she has said previously.

lol this is getting silly.

I've simply taken the information I've been presented with and formed a conclusion. Nothing more.

As far as assets, here is an update that may interest some of you

Look, as far as I'm concerned, Brash is neither here nor there. Wish you all the best.

 

Regardless of what she has said in the past, you're using that against her as your defense. She has simply stated FACTS about your game and you turn around and use personal information to bash her. It's that simple, and sad. Developers need to be above those kinds of tactics in order to be successful.

As far as the link goes, I see some blueprints. So what? For all we know, you purchased those online too.

But I do agree, it's getting silly. Can't believe you even partake in these discussions, I'd be trying to code if I were you.

 

I'm confused by you zekaih, While i wouldn't touch this game why wouldn't a devolper defend his game that someone ( Brash) is so set on destroying without even knowing much about it. In the end we are all people and when its something you invested your time and money into your going to have strong feelings over it when others blindly react negatively towards it.  From the few minutes i've read on the game it also appears as if Jason isn't a programmer himself he just leads the design on the game so him posting on forums to talk  to mmo players and defend his game makes sense. You honestly just come off as a very bitter person. 

  blognorg

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11/28/12 11:56:41 PM#36


Originally posted by dracomun

Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by Mogus Zekiah,  that wasn't bashing her. If you tell me your cat has an ugly mole on it's face and I then repeat it, am I insulting your cat? Brash explained her past failures in another forum thread. I simply re-counted what she has said previously. lol this is getting silly. I've simply taken the information I've been presented with and formed a conclusion. Nothing more. As far as assets, here is an update that may interest some of you Look, as far as I'm concerned, Brash is neither here nor there. Wish you all the best.  
Regardless of what she has said in the past, you're using that against her as your defense. She has simply stated FACTS about your game and you turn around and use personal information to bash her. It's that simple, and sad. Developers need to be above those kinds of tactics in order to be successful. As far as the link goes, I see some blueprints. So what? For all we know, you purchased those online too. But I do agree, it's getting silly. Can't believe you even partake in these discussions, I'd be trying to code if I were you.
  I'm confused by you zekaih, While i wouldn't touch this game why wouldn't a devolper defend his game that someone ( Brash) is so set on destroying without even knowing much about it. In the end we are all people and when its something you invested your time and money into your going to have strong feelings over it when others blindly react negatively towards it.  From the few minutes i've read on the game it also appears as if Jason isn't a programmer himself he just leads the design on the game so him posting on forums to talk  to mmo players and defend his game makes sense. You honestly just come off as a very bitter person. 
 


Why wouldn't you touch this game? I can understand not wanting to throw money at the Kickstarter, but it's just in its infancy, and it seems a little early to judge the final product. It's going to be free to play with no cash shop. You would lose nothing to try it out, yet you refuse to, even though it's barely in development. I'm not sure Zekaih is the bitter one here.

  Rheanon

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11/29/12 12:14:15 AM#37

I am not going to multiquote.  I am sure that most of you have read what has been said on this thread.  I don't blame Mogus for replying the way he did.  He was defending his project as he should.  You may criticize his words but that is just the way he is.  He does not mince words.  He does not spin and hype, and it is that quality of his that will make the project a success.  The project has had a tremendously successful Kickstarter campaign.  Every single backer is convinced that the final product will be excellent.  If Mogus has one good quality, it is his candidness with the game community.  That is something that is rare and refreshing in this gaming world of ours.

However, you don't have to take my word for it.  All you have to do is go to the Greed Monger forums and look at all the information that is being posted by the development team there, as well as the honest enthusiasm being demonstrated by the growing Community.  Frankly, I have not witnessed such enthusiasm since the pre-beta phase of UO.  The Community is not in the dark,  far from it.  We are being informed about most aspects of development.  We are listened to and as development progresses we are seeing many of our suggestions being brought to fruition as the game takes shape.  It is a very rewarding feeling that other developers tend to deny their fans. 

Yes, call me a FanGirl, I don't mind.  The only reason I am posting is because having seen what has been written here and elsewhere, I believe there is a concerted effort to denigrate this project.  The reasons?  I have no clue, but I can say this, there is a very real caring attitude within every member of the GM development team.  Those of you who are bashing, should take a look at the site forums. I am confident that if you do, you will realize why the Kickstarter campaign has been so successful and what the grassroots feelings are for the game.  Try finding that elsewhere.   I think you will have a hard time doing so.  Just my 2 cents on the matter.

  dracomun

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11/29/12 5:28:27 AM#38
Originally posted by blognorg

 


Originally posted by dracomun

Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by Mogus Zekiah,  that wasn't bashing her. If you tell me your cat has an ugly mole on it's face and I then repeat it, am I insulting your cat? Brash explained her past failures in another forum thread. I simply re-counted what she has said previously. lol this is getting silly. I've simply taken the information I've been presented with and formed a conclusion. Nothing more. As far as assets, here is an update that may interest some of you Look, as far as I'm concerned, Brash is neither here nor there. Wish you all the best.  
Regardless of what she has said in the past, you're using that against her as your defense. She has simply stated FACTS about your game and you turn around and use personal information to bash her. It's that simple, and sad. Developers need to be above those kinds of tactics in order to be successful. As far as the link goes, I see some blueprints. So what? For all we know, you purchased those online too. But I do agree, it's getting silly. Can't believe you even partake in these discussions, I'd be trying to code if I were you.
  I'm confused by you zekaih, While i wouldn't touch this game why wouldn't a devolper defend his game that someone ( Brash) is so set on destroying without even knowing much about it. In the end we are all people and when its something you invested your time and money into your going to have strong feelings over it when others blindly react negatively towards it.  From the few minutes i've read on the game it also appears as if Jason isn't a programmer himself he just leads the design on the game so him posting on forums to talk  to mmo players and defend his game makes sense. You honestly just come off as a very bitter person. 
 

 


Why wouldn't you touch this game? I can understand not wanting to throw money at the Kickstarter, but it's just in its infancy, and it seems a little early to judge the final product. It's going to be free to play with no cash shop. You would lose nothing to try it out, yet you refuse to, even though it's barely in development. I'm not sure Zekaih is the bitter one here.

 

 

Thats a very simple question to answer.  I don't support any free to play game with a subscription option. I'm just a believer in either a sub or a micro transaction. and before you ask what game I currently play to try and throw something in my face i currently don't play an mmo's.

  Zekiah

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Posts: 2531

Hype (noun)
1. to trick; gull.
2. exaggerated publicity; hoopla.
3. swindle, deception, or trick.

 
OP  11/29/12 8:38:48 AM#39
Originally posted by dracomun
Originally posted by Zekiah
Originally posted by Mogus

Zekiah,

 that wasn't bashing her.

If you tell me your cat has an ugly mole on it's face and I then repeat it, am I insulting your cat?

Brash explained her past failures in another forum thread. I simply re-counted what she has said previously.

lol this is getting silly.

I've simply taken the information I've been presented with and formed a conclusion. Nothing more.

As far as assets, here is an update that may interest some of you

Look, as far as I'm concerned, Brash is neither here nor there. Wish you all the best.

 

Regardless of what she has said in the past, you're using that against her as your defense. She has simply stated FACTS about your game and you turn around and use personal information to bash her. It's that simple, and sad. Developers need to be above those kinds of tactics in order to be successful.

As far as the link goes, I see some blueprints. So what? For all we know, you purchased those online too.

But I do agree, it's getting silly. Can't believe you even partake in these discussions, I'd be trying to code if I were you.

 

I'm confused by you zekaih, While i wouldn't touch this game why wouldn't a devolper defend his game that someone ( Brash) is so set on destroying without even knowing much about it. In the end we are all people and when its something you invested your time and money into your going to have strong feelings over it when others blindly react negatively towards it.  From the few minutes i've read on the game it also appears as if Jason isn't a programmer himself he just leads the design on the game so him posting on forums to talk  to mmo players and defend his game makes sense. You honestly just come off as a very bitter person. 

"her own self loathing for her previous failures and her jealousy of what others are accomplishing that she couldn't."

Defending your game is fine. Defending your game by degrading others is not. That's not defending at all but rather offending.

She brought up valid points and I had concerns before reading what she posted. I couldn't put my finger on it but something didn't seem right. Now I know.

If people want to support this project then fine, I have no issues with that. What I take issue with are devs that come to MMORPG.com and bash members to defend their projects. I don't care if I'm a fan of the game or not, devs shouldn't do that and I don't understand why people can't see that. If devs want to lay out facts and information then great, but bashing members and using that as a defense is deplorable. Makes the industry look bad IMO.

"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky

  xDayx

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11/29/12 9:31:36 AM#40
Originally posted by Zekiah
Originally posted by dracomun
Originally posted by Zekiah
Originally posted by Mogus

Zekiah,

 that wasn't bashing her.

If you tell me your cat has an ugly mole on it's face and I then repeat it, am I insulting your cat?

Brash explained her past failures in another forum thread. I simply re-counted what she has said previously.

lol this is getting silly.

I've simply taken the information I've been presented with and formed a conclusion. Nothing more.

As far as assets, here is an update that may interest some of you

Look, as far as I'm concerned, Brash is neither here nor there. Wish you all the best.

 

Regardless of what she has said in the past, you're using that against her as your defense. She has simply stated FACTS about your game and you turn around and use personal information to bash her. It's that simple, and sad. Developers need to be above those kinds of tactics in order to be successful.

As far as the link goes, I see some blueprints. So what? For all we know, you purchased those online too.

But I do agree, it's getting silly. Can't believe you even partake in these discussions, I'd be trying to code if I were you.

 

I'm confused by you zekaih, While i wouldn't touch this game why wouldn't a devolper defend his game that someone ( Brash) is so set on destroying without even knowing much about it. In the end we are all people and when its something you invested your time and money into your going to have strong feelings over it when others blindly react negatively towards it.  From the few minutes i've read on the game it also appears as if Jason isn't a programmer himself he just leads the design on the game so him posting on forums to talk  to mmo players and defend his game makes sense. You honestly just come off as a very bitter person. 

"her own self loathing for her previous failures and her jealousy of what others are accomplishing that she couldn't."

Defending your game is fine. Defending your game by degrading others is not. That's not defending at all but rather offending.

She brought up valid points and I had concerns before reading what she posted. I couldn't put my finger on it but something didn't seem right. Now I know.

If people want to support this project then fine, I have no issues with that. What I take issue with are devs that come to MMORPG.com and bash members to defend their projects. I don't care if I'm a fan of the game or not, devs shouldn't do that and I don't understand why people can't see that. If devs want to lay out facts and information then great, but bashing members and using that as a defense is deplorable. Makes the industry look bad IMO.

 All verbal bashing is bad.  Regardless of who it comes from. No good comes of it on either side. We all should learn to control our tongues and emotions.

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