Trending Games | World of Warcraft | Villagers and Heroes | Landmark | Guild Wars 2

  Network:  FPSguru RTSguru
Login:  Password:   Remember?  
Show Quick Gamelist Jump to Random Game
Members:2,920,008 Users Online:0
Games:760  Posts:6,310,636
Recent forum postsRSS
Active threads
Cloud view
List all forums
General Forums
Developers Corner General Discussion
Popular Game Forums
Click a status to find game forum
Game Forums
Click a letter to find game forum
A-C
2029 Online 2112: Revolution 2Moons 4Story 8BitMMO 9 Dragons A Mystical Land A Tale in the Desert III A3 ACE Online ARGO Online Aberoth Absolute Force Online Absolute Terror Achaea Adellion Aerrevan Aetolia, the Midnight Age Age of Armor Age of Conan Age of Empires Online Age of Mourning Age of Wulin Age of Wushu Aida Arenas Aika Aion Albion Online Alganon All Points Bulletin (APB) Allods Online Altis Gates Amazing World Anarchy Online Ancients of Fasaria Andromeda 5 Angels Online Angry Birds Epic Anime Ninja Anime Pirates Anime Trumps Anmynor Anno Online Applo Arcane Hearts Arcane Legends ArchLord ArcheAge Archeblade Archlord X Ascend: Hand of Kul Asda 2 Asda Story Ashen Empires Asheron's Call Asheron's Call 2 Astera Online Astonia III Astro Empires Astro Lords: Oort CLoud Asura Force Atlantica Online Atriarch Aura Kingdom Aurora Blade Auto Assault Avatar Star Battle Dawn Battle Dawn Galaxies Battle for Graxia Battle of 3 Kingdoms Battle of the Immortals Battlecruiser Online Battlestar Galactica Online Battlestar Reloaded Beyond Protocol Black Aftermath Black Desert Black Gold Black Prophecy Black Prophecy Tactics: Nexus Conflict Blacklight Retribution Blade & Soul Blade Hunter Blade Wars Blazing Throne Bless Blitz 1941 Blood and Jade Bloodlines Champions Boot Hill Heroes Borderlands 2 Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel Bound by Flame Bounty Bay Online Brain Storm Bravada Bravely Default Bravely Second Brawl Busters. Brick-Force Bright Shadow Bullet Run Business Tycoon Online CTRacer Cabal Online Caesary Call of Camelot Call of Gods Call of Thrones Camelot Unchained Canaan Online Cardmon Hero Cartoon Universe CasinoRPG Cast & Conquer Castle Empire Castlot Celtic Heroes Champions Online Champions of Regnum Chaos Online Child of Light Chrono Tales Citadel of Sorcery CitiesXL Citizen Zero City of Decay City of Heroes City of Steam City of Transformers City of Villains Civilization Online Clan Lord Clash of Clans Cloud Nine Club Penguin Colony of War Command & Conquer: Tiberium Alliances Company of Heroes Online Conquer Online Conquer Online 3 Continent of the Ninth (C9) Core Blaze Core Exiles Corum Online Craft of Gods Crimecraft Crimelife 2 Cronous Crota II Crusaders of Solaris Cultures Online Cyber Monster 2 Cyberpunk 2077 Céiron Wars
D-F
D&D Online DC Universe DK Online DOTA DOTA 2 DUST 514 DV8: Exile Dalethaan Dance Groove Online Dark Age of Camelot Dark Ages Dark Legends Dark Orbit Dark Relic: Prelude Dark Solstice Dark Souls 2 Dark and Light DarkEden Online DarkSpace Darkblood Online Darkest Dungeon Darkfall Darkfall: Unholy Wars Darkwind: War on Wheels Das Tal Dawn of Fantasy Dawntide DayZ Dead Earth Dead Frontier Dead Island Dead Island 2 Dead Island: Riptide Deco Online Deep Down Deepworld Defiance Deicide Online Dekaron Demons at the Horizon Desert Operations Destiny Diablo 3 Diamonin Digimon Battle Dino Storm Disciple Divergence Divina Divine Souls Divinity: Original Sin Dofus Dominus Online Dragon Age: Inquisition Dragon Ball Online Dragon Born Online Dragon Crusade Dragon Empires Dragon Eternity Dragon Fin Soup Dragon Nest Dragon Oath Dragon Pals Dragon Raja Dragon's Call Dragon's Call II Dragon's Prophet DragonSky DragonSoul Dragona Dragonica Dragons and Titans Drakengard 3 Dream of Mirror Online Dreamland Online Dreamlords: The Reawakening Drift City Duels Dungeon Blitz Dungeon Fighter Online Dungeon Overlord Dungeon Party Dungeon Rampage Dungeon Runners Dungeon of the Endless Dynastica Dynasty Warriors Online Dynasty of the Magi EIN (Epicus Incognitus) EVE Online Earth Eternal Earth and Beyond Earthrise Eclipse War Ecol Tactics Online Eden Eternal Edge of Space Einherjar - The Viking's Blood Elder Scrolls Online Eldevin Elf Online Elite: Dangerous Embers of Caerus Emil Chronicle Online Empire Empire & State Empire Craft Empire Universe 3 EmpireQuest Empires of Galldon End of Nations Endless Ages Endless Blue Moon Online Endless Online Entropia Universe EpicDuel Erebus: Travia Reborn Eredan Eternal Blade Eternal Lands Eternal Saga Ether Fields Ether Saga Online Eudemons Online EuroGangster EverEmber Online EverQuest Next EverQuest Online Adventures Evernight Everquest Everquest II Evony Exarch Exorace F.E.A.R. Online Face of Mankind Fairyland Online Fall of Rome Fallen Earth Fallen Sword Fallout 4 Fallout Online Family Guy Online Fantage Fantasy Earth Zero Fantasy Realm Online Fantasy Tales Online Fantasy Worlds: Rhynn Faunasphere Faxion Online Fearless Fantasy Ferentus Ferion Fiesta Online Final Fantasy Type-0 HD Final Fantasy XI Final Fantasy XIV Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Firefall Fists of Fu Florensia Flyff Football Manager Live Football Superstars Force of Arms Forge Forsaken Uprising Forsaken World Fortnite Fortuna Forum for Discussion of Everlight Freaky Creatures Free Realms Freesky Online Freeworld Fung Wan Online Furcadia Fury Fusion Fall
G-L
GalaXseeds Galactic Command Online Game of Thrones: Seven Kingdoms Gameglobe Gate To Heavens Gates of Andaron Gatheryn Gauntlet Gekkeiju Online Ghost Online Ghost Recon Online Gladiatus Glitch Global Agenda Global Soccer Gloria Victis Glory of Gods GoGoRacer Goal Line Blitz Gods and Heroes GodsWar Online Golemizer Golf Star GoonZu Online Graal Kingdoms Granado Espada Online Grand Chase Grand Fantasia Grepolis Grimlands Guild Wars Guild Wars 2 Guild Wars Factions Guild Wars Nightfall H1Z1 Habbo Hotel Hailan Rising HaloSphere2 Haven & Hearth Hawken Heart Forth Alicia Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Helbreath Hellgate Hellgate: London Hello Kitty Online Hero Online Hero Zero Hero's Journey Hero: 108 Online HeroSmash Heroes & Generals Heroes & Legends: Conquerors of Kolhar Heroes in the Sky Heroes of Atlan Heroes of Bestia Heroes of Gaia Heroes of Might and Magic Online Heroes of Thessalonica Heroes of Three Kingdoms Heroes of the Storm Hex Holic Online Hostile Space Hunter Blade Huxley Icewind Dale: Enhanced Edition Illutia Illyriad Immortals USA Imperator Imperian Inferno Legend Infestation: Survivor Stories Infinite Crisis Infinity Infinity Iris Online Iron Grip: Marauders Irth Worlds Island Forge Islands of War Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted Jade Dynasty Jagged Alliance Online Juggernaut Jumpgate Jumpgate Evolution KAL Online Kakele Online Kaos War Karos Online Kartuga Kicks Online King of Kings 3 Kingdom Heroes Kingdom Under Fire II Kingdom of Drakkar Kingory Kings Era Kings and Legends Kings of the Realm KingsRoad Kitsu Saga Kiwarriors Knight Age Knight Online Knights of Dream City Kothuria Kung Foo! Kunlun Online Kyn L.A.W. LEGO Universe La Tale Land of Chaos Online Landmark Lands of Hope: Redemption LastChaos League of Angels League of Legends - Clash of Fates Legend of Edda: Vengeance Legend of Golden Plume Legend of Grimrock 2 Legend of Katha Legend of Mir 2 Legend of Mir 3 Legendary Champions Lego Minifigures Online Lichdom: Battlemage Life is Feudal Light of Nova Lime Odyssey Line of Defense Lineage Lineage Eternal: Twilight Resistance Lineage II Linkrealms Loong Online Lord of the Rings Online Lords Online Lords of the Fallen Lost Saga Lucent Heart Lunia Lusternia: Age of Ascension Luvinia World
M-Q
MU Online Mabinogi Maestia: Rise of Keledus MagiKnights Magic Barrage Magic World Online Manga Fighter MapleStory Martial Heroes Marvel Heroes Marvel Super Hero Squad Online Marvel: Avengers Alliance Mass Effect 4 MechWarrior Online Megaten Meridian 59 : Evolution Merlin MetalMercs Metaplace Metin 2 MicroVolts Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor Midkemia Online Might & Magic Heroes: Kingdoms Might & Magic X: Legacy MilMo Minecraft Mini Fighter Minions of Mirth Ministry of War Monato Esprit Monkey King Online Monkey Quest Monster & Me Monster Madness Online MonsterMMORPG Moonlight Online: Tales of Eternal Blood Moonrise Mordavia Mortal Online Mourning My Lands Myst Online: URU Live Myth Angels Online Myth War Myth War 2 Mythborne Mytheon Mythic Saga Mythos N.E.O Online NIDA Online Nadirim Naviage: The Power of Capital Navy Field Need for Speed World Nemexia Neo's Land NeoSteam Neocron Nether Neverwinter Nexus: The Kingdom Of The Winds NinjaTrick NosTale Novus Aeterno Oberin Odin Quest Odyssey RPG Ogre Island Omerta 3 Online Boxing Manager Onverse Oort Online Order & Chaos Online Order of Magic Original Blood Origins Return Origins of Malu Orion's Belt Otherland Forums OverSoul Overkings Overwatch Oz Online Oz World Pandora Saga Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen Panzar Parabellum Parallel Kingdom Parfait Station Path of Exile Pathfinder Online Perfect World Perpetuum Online Persona V Phantasy Star Online 2 Phantasy Star Universe Phoenix Dynasty Online Phylon Pi Story Picaroon Pillars of Eternity Pirate Galaxy Pirate Storm Pirate101 PirateKing Online Pirates of the Burning Sea Pirates of the Caribbean Online Pixie Hollow Planeshift Planet Arkadia Planet Calypso PlanetSide 2 Planetside Planets³ Playboy Manager Pocket Legends Pockie Ninja Pockie Pirates Pockie Saints Pokémon X and Y PoxNora Prime World Prime: Battle for Dominus Priston Tale Priston Tale II Prius Online Prodigy Project Blackout Project Gorgon Project Powder Project Titan Forums Project Wiki Project Zomboid Puzzle Pirates Quest for Infamy Quickhit Football
R-S
R2 Online RAN Online RF Online ROSE Online Rage of 3 Kingdoms Ragnarok Online Ragnarok Online II RaiderZ Rail Nation Rakion Rappelz RappelzSEA Ravenmarch Realm Fighter Realm of Sierra Realm of the Mad God Realm of the Titans Realms Online Rebel Galaxy Reclamation Red Stone Red War: Edem's Curse Regnum Online Remnant Knights Renaissance Repulse Requiem: Memento Mori Rift RiotZone Rise Rise of Dragonian Era Rise of Empire Rise of the Tycoon Risen 3: Titan Lords Rising of King Risk Your Life Rivality Rockfree Rohan: Blood Feud Role Play Worlds Roll n Rock Roma Victor Romadoria Rosh Online Roto X Rubies of Eventide Ruin Online Rumble Fighter Runes of Magic Runescape Rust Rusty Hearts Ryzom S4 League SAGA SD Gundam Capsule Fighter Online SMITE SUN Sacred 3 Sagramore Salem SaySayGirls Scarlet Blade Scions of Fate Seal Online: Evolution Second Chance Heroes Second Life Secret of the Solstice Seed Serenia Fantasy Seven Seas Saga Seven Souls Online Sevencore Shadow Realms Shadow of Legend Shadowbane Shadowgate Shadowrun Online Shaiya Shards Online Shattered Galaxy Sho Online Shot Online Shroud of the Avatar SideQuest Siege on Stars Sigonyth: Desert Eternity Silkroad Online Skyblade Skyforge SmashMuck Champions Smoo Online Soldier Front Soul Master Soul Order Online Soul of Guardian South Park: The Stick of Truth Space Heroes Universe Sparta: War of Empires Spellcasters Sphere Spiral Knights Spirit Tales Splash Fighters Squad Wars Star Citizen Star Conflict Star Sonata 2 Star Stable Star Supremacy Star Trek Online Star Trek: Infinite Space Star Wars Galaxies Star Wars: Clone Wars Adventures Star Wars: The Old Republic StarQuest Online Starbound Stargate Worlds Starlight Story Starpires State of Decay SteelWar Online Stone Age 2 Stormfall: Age of War Stormthrone Storybricks Stronghold Kingdoms Styx: Master of Shadows Sudden Attack Supremacy 1914 Supreme Destiny Sword Girls Sword of Destiny: Rise of Aions SwordX Swords of Heavens Swordsman
T-Z
TERA TS Online TUG Tabula Rasa Tactica Online Tales Runner Tales of Fantasy Tales of Pirates Tales of Pirates II Tales of Solaris Talisman Online Tamer Saga Tank Ace Tantra Online Tatsumaki: Land at War Terra Militaris TerraWorld Online Terraria Thang Online The 4th Coming The Agency The Aurora World The Banner Saga The Black Watchmen The Chronicle The Chronicles of Spellborn The Crew The Division The Epic Might The Hammers End The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing 2 The Legend of Ares The Lost Titans The Matrix Online The Mighty Quest for Epic Loot The Missing Ink The Mummy Online The Myth of Soma The Pride of Taern The Realm Online The Repopulation The Secret World The Sims Online The Strategems The West The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt Theralon There Therian Saga Thrones of Chaos Tibia Tibia Micro Edition Tiger Knight Titan Siege Titans of Time Toontown Online Top Speed Topia Online Torchlight Torment: Tides of Numenera Total Domination Transformers Universe Transistor Transverse Traveller AR Travia Online Travian Triad Wars Trials of Ascension Tribal Hero Tribal Wars Tribes Universe Trickster Online Trove Troy Online True Fantasy Live Online Turf Battles Twelve Sky Twelve Sky 2 Twilight War Tynon U.B. Funkeys UFO Online URDEAD Online Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar Ultima Online Ultima X: Odyssey Ultimate Naruto Ultimate Soccer Boss Uncharted Waters Online Undercover 2: Merc Wars Underlight Unification Wars Universe Online Utopia Valkyrie Sky Vampire Lord Online Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Vanquish Space Vector City Racers Vendetta Online Victory - Age of Racing Vindictus Virtonomics Vis Gladius Visions of Zosimos VoidExpanse Voyage Century Online W.E.L.L. Online WAR (Warhammer Online) WAR2 Glory WYD Global Wakfu War Thunder War of 2012 War of Angels War of Legends War of Mercenaries War of Thrones War of the Immortals WarFlow Waren Story Warflare Wargame1942 Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade Warhammer 40K: Dark Millennium Online Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes Warkeepers Warrior Epic Wartune Wasteland 2 WebLords Wild West Online WildStar Wind of Luck WindSlayer 2 Wings of Destiny Wish Wizard101 Wizardry Online Wizards and Champions Wonder King Wonderland Online World Golf Tour World of Battles World of Darkness World of Heroes World of Kung Fu World of Pirates World of Speed World of Tanks World of Tanks Generals World of Warcraft World of Warplanes World of Warriors World of Warships World of the Living Dead WorldAlpha Wurm Online Xenoblade Chronicles: X Xenocell Xiah Xsyon Xulu YS Online Yitien ZU Online Zentia Zero Online Zero Online: The Andromeda Crisis Zodiac Online Zombies Ate My Pizza eRepublik

MMORPG.com Discussion Forums

World of Warcraft

World of Warcraft 

General Discussion  » Is Blizzard lying about WoW Sub #s ?

5 Pages 1 2 3 4 5 » Search
92 posts found
  Divion

Spotlight Poster

Joined: 9/09/10
Posts: 387

Those that never took a chance, never had a chance -

 
OP  11/23/12 5:02:33 AM#1

Is this crazy, or what  ? : http://www.examiner.com/article/world-of-bullcrap-uncovering-the-bad-math

 

Does kinda make you wonder why MoP sales # are so far behind the alleged active sub numbers

  User Deleted
11/23/12 5:12:58 AM#2

I like it,those people who buys products  because someone says that its succesfull ,its business and should be used on those customers,its like service.

 

 

  Xthos

Advanced Member

Joined: 4/18/10
Posts: 2651

11/23/12 5:27:27 AM#3

I don't play WoW, but I wonder if it has something to do with the asian market?  Is the expansion released there?  Also it is somewhat inflated by asian 'subs', because of the way their subs do not pay monthly, but time pay.  So a person pay $1 or less could be considered a full time sub in the numbers.

 

So I don't see anything that sticks out above the normal numbers. 

  Divion

Spotlight Poster

Joined: 9/09/10
Posts: 387

Those that never took a chance, never had a chance -

 
OP  11/23/12 5:33:26 AM#4
Originally posted by Xthos

I don't play WoW, but I wonder if it has something to do with the asian market?  Is the expansion released there?  Also it is somewhat inflated by asian 'subs', because of the way their subs do not pay monthly, but time pay.  So a person pay $1 or less could be considered a full time sub in the numbers.

 

So I don't see anything that sticks out above the normal numbers. 

Only thing i found on the asian market is about 1 million subs concurrent from the chinese markets according to Blizzard, still not enough to maket up for the claims by a long shot, and again it's Blizzard making the claims, and i coulda sworn China had allot of censorship involving the internet, why would they allow a game that make a bit of a mockery of their culture? Hmm.

  muffins89

Apprentice Member

Joined: 10/15/12
Posts: 1255

11/23/12 5:40:57 AM#5

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/world-warcraft-r-mists-pandaria-010000417.html

 

it definately released in China.  can't find anything about the playerbase there though.

I think the prostitute mod corrupted your game files man. -elhefen

  muffins89

Apprentice Member

Joined: 10/15/12
Posts: 1255

11/23/12 5:44:10 AM#6

the sales they posted didn't include China.

 

"We announced today that within the first week of release, prior to the launch in China this past Tuesday, Mists of Pandaria had already sold approximately 2.7 million copies, with over 10 million players subscribed around the world. We’re extremely thankful to everyone for the overwhelming amount of positive feedback we’ve received on the new expansion and its content, and look forward to continuing to reveal and explore the secrets of Pandaria with you -- starting with a preview of the first major content update coming soon."

I think the prostitute mod corrupted your game files man. -elhefen

  Divion

Spotlight Poster

Joined: 9/09/10
Posts: 387

Those that never took a chance, never had a chance -

 
OP  11/23/12 5:45:19 AM#7

http://venturebeat.com/2012/11/07/wow-pandaria-1-million-concurrent-players-in-china/

 

Claims the market had 1 million peak at one point.

 

Heres the issue, that article claims subs above 10 mill, but only 2.7 million copies of POM sold.. (Outside of chinese markets)

 

How does 2.7 out of 10 buy an expansion.

 

Whats more likely, that 7.3 million people like the old content, and don't want the expansion, atleast not yet

or the 10 million subs are a flat out lie.

 

I'm thinking the latter over the former.

 

 

  Apraxis

Novice Member

Joined: 9/28/05
Posts: 1509

11/23/12 5:47:21 AM#8
Originally posted by Divion
Originally posted by Xthos

I don't play WoW, but I wonder if it has something to do with the asian market?  Is the expansion released there?  Also it is somewhat inflated by asian 'subs', because of the way their subs do not pay monthly, but time pay.  So a person pay $1 or less could be considered a full time sub in the numbers.

 

So I don't see anything that sticks out above the normal numbers. 

Only thing i found on the asian market is about 1 million subs concurrent from the chinese markets according to Blizzard, still not enough to maket up for the claims by a long shot, and again it's Blizzard making the claims, and i coulda sworn China had allot of censorship involving the internet, why would they allow a game that make a bit of a mockery of their culture? Hmm.

China is not Asia. It is not asia alone. And they have another system. They play in internet cafes, and they play and pay only for hours, and dont have a copy of the game, but count as subscribers.

The regular subs for WoW, with player actually owning the game and paying 15 bugs a month are far less and somewhere around 4-5 millions and almost all from them are from NA/EU.

  Divion

Spotlight Poster

Joined: 9/09/10
Posts: 387

Those that never took a chance, never had a chance -

 
OP  11/23/12 5:49:26 AM#9
Originally posted by muffins89

the sales they posted didn't include China.

 

"We announced today that within the first week of release, prior to the launch in China this past Tuesday, Mists of Pandaria had already sold approximately 2.7 million copies, with over 10 million players subscribed around the world. We’re extremely thankful to everyone for the overwhelming amount of positive feedback we’ve received on the new expansion and its content, and look forward to continuing to reveal and explore the secrets of Pandaria with you -- starting with a preview of the first major content update coming soon."

The red can not agree with the green, this is how the math would break out.

 

Before POM Launch : 9.1 million subs

Week After POM launch : 10 million Subs -- An increase of 900,000 subs

POM Sales first  : 2.7, of which 900,000 are accounted for in the new subs

So that means of the 9.1 million subs WoW had prior to POM launch, only 1.8 million people purchased the expansion in the first week.

 

That screams bullsh!t.

How does only 18% of the current playerbase purchase the new expansion? Simple, the current playerbase is false, and super-inflated.

  muffins89

Apprentice Member

Joined: 10/15/12
Posts: 1255

11/23/12 5:49:42 AM#10
Originally posted by Divion

http://venturebeat.com/2012/11/07/wow-pandaria-1-million-concurrent-players-in-china/

 

Claims the market had 1 million peak at one point.

 

Heres the issue, that article claims subs above 10 mill, but only 2.7 million copies of POM sold.. (Outside of chinese markets)

 

How does 2.7 out of 10 buy an expansion.

 

Whats more likely, that 7.3 million people like the old content, and don't want the expansion, atleast not yet

or the 10 million subs are a flat out lie.

 

I'm thinking the latter over the former.

 

 

no concurrent means on line at the same time.  1 million people logged in.  if you read the article swtor's higest was 350k.  i think i remember gw2's was 400k.  1 million players online at the same time is an ass-load of people. 

I think the prostitute mod corrupted your game files man. -elhefen

  muffins89

Apprentice Member

Joined: 10/15/12
Posts: 1255

11/23/12 5:52:15 AM#11
Originally posted by Divion
Originally posted by muffins89

the sales they posted didn't include China.

 

"We announced today that within the first week of release, prior to the launch in China this past Tuesday, Mists of Pandaria had already sold approximately 2.7 million copies, with over 10 million players subscribed around the world. We’re extremely thankful to everyone for the overwhelming amount of positive feedback we’ve received on the new expansion and its content, and look forward to continuing to reveal and explore the secrets of Pandaria with you -- starting with a preview of the first major content update coming soon."

The red can not agree with the green, this is how the math would break out.

 

Before POM Launch : 9.1 million subs

Week After POM launch : 10 million Subs -- An increase of 900,000 subs

POM Sales first  : 2.7, of which 900,000 are accounted for in the new subs

So that means of the 9.1 million subs WoW had prior to POM launch, only 1.8 million people purchased the expansion in the first week.

 

That screams bullsh!t.

How does only 18% of the current playerbase purchase the new expansion? Simple, the current playerbase is false, and super-inflated.

no it doesnt.  im not trying to argue with you because idc.  those sales are before the chinese sales.  so 7.3 million people in china still subbed to catacyslm + 2.7 million in the rest of the world subbed to mop = 10 million.

I think the prostitute mod corrupted your game files man. -elhefen

  Divion

Spotlight Poster

Joined: 9/09/10
Posts: 387

Those that never took a chance, never had a chance -

 
OP  11/23/12 5:52:27 AM#12
Originally posted by Apraxis
Originally posted by Divion
Originally posted by Xthos

I don't play WoW, but I wonder if it has something to do with the asian market?  Is the expansion released there?  Also it is somewhat inflated by asian 'subs', because of the way their subs do not pay monthly, but time pay.  So a person pay $1 or less could be considered a full time sub in the numbers.

 

So I don't see anything that sticks out above the normal numbers. 

Only thing i found on the asian market is about 1 million subs concurrent from the chinese markets according to Blizzard, still not enough to maket up for the claims by a long shot, and again it's Blizzard making the claims, and i coulda sworn China had allot of censorship involving the internet, why would they allow a game that make a bit of a mockery of their culture? Hmm.

China is not Asia. It is not asia alone. And they have another system. They play in internet cafes, and they play and pay only for hours, and dont have a copy of the game, but count as subscribers.

The regular subs for WoW, with player actually owning the game and paying 15 bugs a month are far less and somewhere around 4-5 millions and almost all from them are from NA/EU.

Couple issues

1. The 10 million claim was made prior to POM/WoW launch in Chinese Markets, so they are not factored into the claim

2. Guniess Book of World Record in 2010 accounted the subs as concurrent paying customers who paid for the sub in that month, regardless if they logged into play or not.

3. Using the same rule as #2, Blizzard makes the claim of 10 million subscriptions processed in the first week up from 9.1 million, there is no way, no-no-no way.

 

Either way, it's murkey, and lies.

  Divion

Spotlight Poster

Joined: 9/09/10
Posts: 387

Those that never took a chance, never had a chance -

 
OP  11/23/12 5:54:27 AM#13
Originally posted by muffins89
Originally posted by Divion
Originally posted by muffins89

the sales they posted didn't include China.

 

"We announced today that within the first week of release, prior to the launch in China this past Tuesday, Mists of Pandaria had already sold approximately 2.7 million copies, with over 10 million players subscribed around the world. We’re extremely thankful to everyone for the overwhelming amount of positive feedback we’ve received on the new expansion and its content, and look forward to continuing to reveal and explore the secrets of Pandaria with you -- starting with a preview of the first major content update coming soon."

The red can not agree with the green, this is how the math would break out.

 

Before POM Launch : 9.1 million subs

Week After POM launch : 10 million Subs -- An increase of 900,000 subs

POM Sales first  : 2.7, of which 900,000 are accounted for in the new subs

So that means of the 9.1 million subs WoW had prior to POM launch, only 1.8 million people purchased the expansion in the first week.

 

That screams bullsh!t.

How does only 18% of the current playerbase purchase the new expansion? Simple, the current playerbase is false, and super-inflated.

no it doesnt.  im not trying to argue with you because idc.  those sales are before the chinese sales.  so 7.3 million people in china still subbed to catacyslm + 2.7 million in the rest of the world subbed to mop = 10 million.

If that's true, then Blizzard is still lying about their subscription base, simple.

  muffins89

Apprentice Member

Joined: 10/15/12
Posts: 1255

11/23/12 5:55:12 AM#14
Originally posted by Divion
Originally posted by Apraxis
Originally posted by Divion
Originally posted by Xthos

I don't play WoW, but I wonder if it has something to do with the asian market?  Is the expansion released there?  Also it is somewhat inflated by asian 'subs', because of the way their subs do not pay monthly, but time pay.  So a person pay $1 or less could be considered a full time sub in the numbers.

 

So I don't see anything that sticks out above the normal numbers. 

Only thing i found on the asian market is about 1 million subs concurrent from the chinese markets according to Blizzard, still not enough to maket up for the claims by a long shot, and again it's Blizzard making the claims, and i coulda sworn China had allot of censorship involving the internet, why would they allow a game that make a bit of a mockery of their culture? Hmm.

China is not Asia. It is not asia alone. And they have another system. They play in internet cafes, and they play and pay only for hours, and dont have a copy of the game, but count as subscribers.

The regular subs for WoW, with player actually owning the game and paying 15 bugs a month are far less and somewhere around 4-5 millions and almost all from them are from NA/EU.

Couple issues

1. The 10 million claim was made prior to POM/WoW launch in Chinese Markets, so they are not factored into the claim

2. Guniess Book of World Record in 2010 accounted the subs as concurrent paying customers who paid for the sub in that month, regardless if they logged into play or not.

3. Using the same rule as #2, Blizzard makes the claim of 10 million subscriptions processed in the first week up from 9.1 million, there is no way, no-no-no way.

 

Either way, it's murkey, and lies.

you don;t think it's possible that 900k unsubbed from cata to wait for mop to come out? 

I think the prostitute mod corrupted your game files man. -elhefen

  Divion

Spotlight Poster

Joined: 9/09/10
Posts: 387

Those that never took a chance, never had a chance -

 
OP  11/23/12 5:58:32 AM#15
Originally posted by muffins89
Originally posted by Divion
Originally posted by Apraxis
Originally posted by Divion
Originally posted by Xthos

I don't play WoW, but I wonder if it has something to do with the asian market?  Is the expansion released there?  Also it is somewhat inflated by asian 'subs', because of the way their subs do not pay monthly, but time pay.  So a person pay $1 or less could be considered a full time sub in the numbers.

 

So I don't see anything that sticks out above the normal numbers. 

Only thing i found on the asian market is about 1 million subs concurrent from the chinese markets according to Blizzard, still not enough to maket up for the claims by a long shot, and again it's Blizzard making the claims, and i coulda sworn China had allot of censorship involving the internet, why would they allow a game that make a bit of a mockery of their culture? Hmm.

China is not Asia. It is not asia alone. And they have another system. They play in internet cafes, and they play and pay only for hours, and dont have a copy of the game, but count as subscribers.

The regular subs for WoW, with player actually owning the game and paying 15 bugs a month are far less and somewhere around 4-5 millions and almost all from them are from NA/EU.

Couple issues

1. The 10 million claim was made prior to POM/WoW launch in Chinese Markets, so they are not factored into the claim

2. Guniess Book of World Record in 2010 accounted the subs as concurrent paying customers who paid for the sub in that month, regardless if they logged into play or not.

3. Using the same rule as #2, Blizzard makes the claim of 10 million subscriptions processed in the first week up from 9.1 million, there is no way, no-no-no way.

 

Either way, it's murkey, and lies.

you don;t think it's possible that 900k unsubbed from cata to wait for mop to come out? 

The 9 mill subs is what Vivendi has been spouting all 2011-2012 on their press reports for Activision Blizzard consumer health, i remember reading it back when they announced their money problems, At Cata launch they broke the record had 12 million subs (Or so they claim) before WoW existed in China, and was still tryin to get the modified WOTLK injected into their markets, they lost 3 million over the 2 years following, atleast thats how i read it about 6 months ago.

  Apraxis

Novice Member

Joined: 9/28/05
Posts: 1509

11/23/12 5:59:22 AM#16
Originally posted by Divion                                                                                                                                                                           Couple issues

1. The 10 million claim was made prior to POM/WoW launch in Chinese Markets, so they are not factored into the claim

Again. China is not Asia. And WoW is a lot longer released in Korea/japan etc. And they almost all play in internet cafes, the same applies for the complete asia market.

2. Guniess Book of World Record in 2010 accounted the subs as concurrent paying customers who paid for the sub in that month, regardless if they logged into play or not.

If you played in Asia for 2 hours in a internet cafe(and paid for that 2 hours) you are a paying customer of that month. No need for owning the game or paying a monthly sub.

3. Using the same rule as #2, Blizzard makes the claim of 10 million subscriptions processed in the first week up from 9.1 million, there is no way, no-no-no way.

And now it should be rather easy to get to those 10 million subs.

 

Either way, it's murkey, and lies.

But it is right.. the numbers are misleading. And therefor all numbers from asia for all mmorpgs are misleading.. sub numbers for them is not the same as it means for NA/EU.

 

  Xarru

Novice Member

Joined: 8/03/05
Posts: 38

11/23/12 6:05:57 AM#17

What is so hard to understand?

WoW total (with Asia) = 9.1M. They never released exact EU/NA numbers (i think), but general consensus is, it was somewhere between 3 / 4.5 (Probably closer to 3 before MoP)

With this info 2.7M MoP sales, including 900k returning players seems realistic.

  Divion

Spotlight Poster

Joined: 9/09/10
Posts: 387

Those that never took a chance, never had a chance -

 
OP  11/23/12 6:17:11 AM#18

Whats so hard to understand

 

Blizzard : " We have 10 million subscribers"

 

Lol no you don't.

 

You have 2-3 million subscribers, and allot [mod edit] who paid for an hour of play time.

 

If i subscribe to a year of a magazine, and pay 15 dollars a month for a subscription, and get a magazine everything month, that is a subscription.

 

If i go to the magazine store, and buy 1 copy of the same magazine for 20 bucks, and never buy another magazine, that is NOT a subscription.

 

Saying you habe 10 million subs when you don't is lying.

 

How is this rocket science? Detials don't matter, fact is, they lie.

** Also, i just looked South Korea uses a similar time model ~

 

It's deceptive watch :

 

Play a game that has over 10 million subscribers!

Play  a game that has 3 million subscribers, and some penny men!

 

They use the subs as an advertising pillar, and a quip for broadcasting false consumer health.

  syntax42

Elite Member

Joined: 3/30/07
Posts: 1215

11/23/12 6:18:12 AM#19

I don't understand how nuclear physics works, so it must be a lie.

I don't understand how biology works, so it must be a lie.

I don't understand how women work, so they must be a lie, too.

 

 

Fuzzy math is done all the time in the corporate world.  You don't have to understand it for there to be some truth to it.  Obviously, something is going on with the way they count the subscriptions, but that doesn't mean the numbers aren't at least half-true.

  Divion

Spotlight Poster

Joined: 9/09/10
Posts: 387

Those that never took a chance, never had a chance -

 
OP  11/23/12 6:25:50 AM#20
Originally posted by syntax42

I don't understand how nuclear physics works, so it must be a lie.

I don't understand how biology works, so it must be a lie.

I don't understand how women work, so they must be a lie, too.

Calling Science that you don't understand magic doesn't make it so.

That is the point i'm making, i understand exactly what is going on, and thats the point i'm pointing out, obvious lies to make a game look healthier then it is, if you can't understand that, then i'm sorry public schooling failed you.

If Playboy has 3 million people with active subscriptions, but sold magazines to 200 million people, that does not give them rights to disclose on press reports that they have 200 million subscribers that month to mislead those who do not know better.

That was the point, i made it case closed, i'm done have fun :)

 

 

Fuzzy math is done all the time in the corporate world.  You don't have to understand it for there to be some truth to it.  Obviously, something is going on with the way they count the subscriptions, but that doesn't mean the numbers aren't at least half-true.

Doesn't make it right, nor should it mean you can bark at me for pointing it out.

5 Pages 1 2 3 4 5 » Search