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  cappytoi

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11/22/12 1:14:58 AM#21
Originally posted by f0dell54
Originally posted by Mischiff
anyone that calls RIFT a grind, go play miss kitty .. god, ive played LII, AION, and a few others thats names escape my memory but RIFT is by no means a grind.  50 levels .. i would prefure to play a game like DF that had no levels at all, just grind up skills, but as MMO's go, Rift is by no means even close to a grind. 2 many ways to level, doing PVP or the new ways they have questing. if you cant find a fun way to level up in this game, its just not for u.

 

Thanks for the headache.

He is right though.

  emota

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11/22/12 3:02:59 AM#22
Great expansion
  Khebeln

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11/22/12 4:58:14 AM#23
Originally posted by f0dell54
Originally posted by Mischiff
anyone that calls RIFT a grind, go play miss kitty .. god, ive played LII, AION, and a few others thats names escape my memory but RIFT is by no means a grind.  50 levels .. i would prefure to play a game like DF that had no levels at all, just grind up skills, but as MMO's go, Rift is by no means even close to a grind. 2 many ways to level, doing PVP or the new ways they have questing. if you cant find a fun way to level up in this game, its just not for u.

 

Thanks for the headache.

I hit lv 60 a while ago already raiding (cleared 10 man) and first boss in main raid. Dont think rift have any grind at all. Grind is when you are forced to kill same mob over and over again w/o any quests or other incentives.

In rift you have so many things to do that if you dont look on your bar for a while you suddently level up w/o even noticing it.

And Rift is absolutely packed with content compared to other games. So much actualy you dont know what to do first.

I hit lv 60 w/o even touching 4.5 last zones !!!! And i did almost all quests in lower lv zones + some dungeons and IA, rifts, hunts, carnages, onnslaughts etc on my way up.

Anyway back to the SL dont have time to post here now :D

 


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  ProGee

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11/22/12 5:02:18 AM#24
Having a blast in this expansion. Also finding it a bit amusing how some people are complaining that the leveling is "too much of a grind". Have not people been complaining about spoonfeeding, easymode and whatnot for the last few releases? It takes longer to level in Rift than in many other games but it offers enough content to justify it. 
  Khebeln

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11/22/12 5:08:34 AM#25
Originally posted by ProGee
Having a blast in this expansion. Also finding it a bit amusing how some people are complaining that the leveling is "too much of a grind". Have not people been complaining about spoonfeeding, easymode and whatnot for the last few releases? It takes longer to level in Rift than in many other games but it offers enough content to justify it. 
 

Yup, the issue is not there as long s there are things to do.

Best part is, compared to other games Rift offers tons of content even on max lv, or should i say the real game starts at max lv.


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  Arakazi

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11/22/12 6:12:48 AM#26
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by Vannor

Come on man.. read that back and see how rediculously negative it sounds to someone thinking about trying the game. Do you really think it deserves all that negativity without pointing out any of the good things about the game? Cos I could put a post 4 times bigger than that one explaining all the game's good points. You already know I disagree with you completely about the Class / Combat changes.. but I've already had a pop at explaining why to you in another thread. But what you've wrote there makes the game look like a massive turd. Even you must agree it isn't anywhere near that bad.

Torvaldr sometimes lets his hatred of the p2p model cloud his judgment.  But if you are a fan of Rift, SL is more than worth the 40 dollar price point.  

And as far as all the content updats catering to raiding, they only added 2 full raids after the first month of the game.  Hammerknell and ID.  The 10 man slivers could technically be called raids, but I see them as content for the more casual guilds and somewhere inbetween groups and raids.  And even then they havent added all that many of them.  I think the updates have been mostly spread across PvP, raiding, and 'things to do at endgame that arent raiding', with the only real deficient area being pre endgame.

Strangi, my judgement isn't clouded.  I'm not satisfied with how P2P is working out in the current offering.  When I paid $15 per month for Lineage I was happy with that.  I'm not happy with what is being delivered for the monthly fee.

I absolutely disagree that they should have charged extra for this though.  For one is segregates players who don't pony up the extra cash and for another, outside of dimensions, it doesn't really expand the game play.  It expands the content, but my main point is that content for churn isn't worth a subscription.  This game should have gone B2P with or without a cash shop.  Content just isn't worth that extra fee in addition to the monthly cost.

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Vannor, I am strongly critical, but that is my perspective.  I've said repeatedly that it is a good game and buying Storm Legion is the way to go.  I do think the expansion is very well received by a majority of players and do respect the opinions and feelings of those I know who like it (yourself, Foomerang, and others here).  Most people taking the time to post have positive things to say so I think a dissenting voice isn't out of order.

I probably wouldn't have posted negative feedback if everyone was bashing the game, but a contrast isn't out of order I think.  Plus it surprised me how little discussion this is getting and I'm sick to death of arguing about GW2 and TOR so I thought the topic is worth bumping.  Why isn't the game discussed more?  Why isn't this xpac getting more attention?  I really expected this game to make a huge dent in the WoW and EQ2 population.

I'm going to have to disagree strongly with that. One of the main reasons I play rift is because of the lack of cash shops. Cash shops ruin games, it ruined LotR for me, it ruined EQ2 for me too and it's one of the reasons I will never fully buy into GW2. It sets artificial barriers on content gives advantages to those willing to spend hundreds of dollars on themselves or their guild which in my mind goes against the spirit of fair play. Ideally games should be meritocracies where your skills, be it social or strategic or twitch is what makes you excel at whatever game you choose to play should it be chess, Go, Fifa or EVE.

Besides, $15 a month is a fair price. I also don't mind paying for an expansion since it is a game I enjoy playing. Ask yourself this, how much is the hours you spend on your games really worth to you? Some games maybe free to play but you are also investing your free time and energy into games so it's not without its cost.  Although there is a upper limit on how much I am willing to spend on what is essentially a hobby, it is not by any means the most important thing I consider when chosing a game. First and foremost I have to enjoy the game, like how it looks and feels and how the community is. I do not expect you to agree with me, but I ask you to consider the impact of going F2P has had on the games I have mentioned and also to consider the time that has to be invested in games and not just the price tag.

  JudgeUK

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11/22/12 7:54:35 AM#27
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by Vannor

Come on man.. read that back and see how rediculously negative it sounds to someone thinking about trying the game. Do you really think it deserves all that negativity without pointing out any of the good things about the game? Cos I could put a post 4 times bigger than that one explaining all the game's good points. You already know I disagree with you completely about the Class / Combat changes.. but I've already had a pop at explaining why to you in another thread. But what you've wrote there makes the game look like a massive turd. Even you must agree it isn't anywhere near that bad.

Torvaldr sometimes lets his hatred of the p2p model cloud his judgment.  But if you are a fan of Rift, SL is more than worth the 40 dollar price point.  

And as far as all the content updats catering to raiding, they only added 2 full raids after the first month of the game.  Hammerknell and ID.  The 10 man slivers could technically be called raids, but I see them as content for the more casual guilds and somewhere inbetween groups and raids.  And even then they havent added all that many of them.  I think the updates have been mostly spread across PvP, raiding, and 'things to do at endgame that arent raiding', with the only real deficient area being pre endgame.

Strangi, my judgement isn't clouded.  I'm not satisfied with how P2P is working out in the current offering.  When I paid $15 per month for Lineage I was happy with that.  I'm not happy with what is being delivered for the monthly fee.

I absolutely disagree that they should have charged extra for this though.  For one is segregates players who don't pony up the extra cash and for another, outside of dimensions, it doesn't really expand the game play.  It expands the content, but my main point is that content for churn isn't worth a subscription.  This game should have gone B2P with or without a cash shop.  Content just isn't worth that extra fee in addition to the monthly cost.

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Vannor, I am strongly critical, but that is my perspective.  I've said repeatedly that it is a good game and buying Storm Legion is the way to go.  I do think the expansion is very well received by a majority of players and do respect the opinions and feelings of those I know who like it (yourself, Foomerang, and others here).  Most people taking the time to post have positive things to say so I think a dissenting voice isn't out of order.

I probably wouldn't have posted negative feedback if everyone was bashing the game, but a contrast isn't out of order I think.  Plus it surprised me how little discussion this is getting and I'm sick to death of arguing about GW2 and TOR so I thought the topic is worth bumping.  Why isn't the game discussed more?  Why isn't this xpac getting more attention?  I really expected this game to make a huge dent in the WoW and EQ2 population.

I didn't. Not from Rift's history. It comes across as the big guy's little kid, who tries hard to get attention but will always be on the periphery.

  Vannor

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11/22/12 8:14:16 AM#28
Originally posted by Torvaldr
 Most people taking the time to post have positive things to say so I think a dissenting voice isn't out of order.

I probably wouldn't have posted negative feedback if everyone was bashing the game, but a contrast isn't out of order I think. 

So, you are posting bad things because no one else is? You're mad at Rift or summat? Because it's geting more positive than negative feedback?

I don't really see the sense in that. Yeh, you can post and think what you want.. 'some' of the things you are saying is actually definitely correct. There were some nasty bugs at the start.. I was getting trapped in the floor in the new warfront whenever I did a phase step or fae step. Been fixed now though. Some things I feel the opposite about; The classes and the payment model. I've actually never been as satisfied with paying a sub so I signed up for a year. But that post, read on it's own because the positive things you have said about the game are not on this thread, is a bit unfair 'because' you don't include your positives. People with no idea about the game are more likely to read this review in progress over whats wrote in the game forums.

  strangiato2112

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11/22/12 8:15:50 AM#29
Originally posted by Arakazi

 it ruined EQ2 for me too and it's one of the reasons I will never fully buy into GW2. It sets artificial barriers on content gives advantages to those willing to spend hundreds of dollars on themselves or their guild which in my mind goes against the spirit of fair play. 

EQ2's cash shop does none of that

  Khebeln

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11/22/12 10:51:33 AM#30
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by Arakazi

 it ruined EQ2 for me too and it's one of the reasons I will never fully buy into GW2. It sets artificial barriers on content gives advantages to those willing to spend hundreds of dollars on themselves or their guild which in my mind goes against the spirit of fair play. 

EQ2's cash shop does none of that

Its still a cash shop, nothing will change that.


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  Arakazi

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11/22/12 12:32:42 PM#31
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by Arakazi

 it ruined EQ2 for me too and it's one of the reasons I will never fully buy into GW2. It sets artificial barriers on content gives advantages to those willing to spend hundreds of dollars on themselves or their guild which in my mind goes against the spirit of fair play. 

EQ2's cash shop does none of that

There are various pots, scrolls, mounts that give you some minor buffs and races for sale along with pets, housing items and vanity items. I haven't looked at EQ2 in a while, but my guess is that station cash is promoted mercilessly on the websites as well as what you can buy just like every other cheap and trashy F2P game.

  itchmon

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11/22/12 10:55:03 PM#32

i love SL so far.  the dimensions tool-set is almost minecraft-like in what you can create (given your willingness to spend a LOT of time).  the addition of more soul tree abilities and 4 new souls made the game even more of a theorycrafters paradise.

 

i can only speak for my own server (the US-rp one... faeblight i think) but it's pretty buzzing.  it feels more full now than at launch i think because at launch everyone was inside their dimension.

 

i cant speak for the end-game dungeons because i'm only level 52 atm.

 

i know the popularity of rift is a sticking point for some but i am sure that rift is making a nice profit and i am sure that SL will bring more ppl in.  the only thing i do wish for is for the next exp to have more reasons to make an alt (as mentioned in the review rift is not very alt friendly of a game considering it's a genre filled with people who tend to like having altss)

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  Yizle

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11/22/12 11:36:23 PM#33
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by Arakazi

 it ruined EQ2 for me too and it's one of the reasons I will never fully buy into GW2. It sets artificial barriers on content gives advantages to those willing to spend hundreds of dollars on themselves or their guild which in my mind goes against the spirit of fair play. 

EQ2's cash shop does none of that

Agreed. The statement that it did makes me wonder more about the validity of the rest of Arakazi's posts.

 

  Vesavius

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11/23/12 2:00:27 PM#34

'Rift already has a bad reputation of not being a game for people interested in PvP'

 

From my perspective thats a good reputation....

  Torvaldr

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11/23/12 2:40:34 PM#35
Originally posted by Arakazi
Originally posted by Torvaldr

Strangi, my judgement isn't clouded.  I'm not satisfied with how P2P is working out in the current offering.  When I paid $15 per month for Lineage I was happy with that.  I'm not happy with what is being delivered for the monthly fee.

I absolutely disagree that they should have charged extra for this though.  For one is segregates players who don't pony up the extra cash and for another, outside of dimensions, it doesn't really expand the game play.  It expands the content, but my main point is that content for churn isn't worth a subscription.  This game should have gone B2P with or without a cash shop.  Content just isn't worth that extra fee in addition to the monthly cost.

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Vannor, I am strongly critical, but that is my perspective.  I've said repeatedly that it is a good game and buying Storm Legion is the way to go.  I do think the expansion is very well received by a majority of players and do respect the opinions and feelings of those I know who like it (yourself, Foomerang, and others here).  Most people taking the time to post have positive things to say so I think a dissenting voice isn't out of order.

I probably wouldn't have posted negative feedback if everyone was bashing the game, but a contrast isn't out of order I think.  Plus it surprised me how little discussion this is getting and I'm sick to death of arguing about GW2 and TOR so I thought the topic is worth bumping.  Why isn't the game discussed more?  Why isn't this xpac getting more attention?  I really expected this game to make a huge dent in the WoW and EQ2 population.

I'm going to have to disagree strongly with that. One of the main reasons I play rift is because of the lack of cash shops. Cash shops ruin games, it ruined LotR for me, it ruined EQ2 for me too and it's one of the reasons I will never fully buy into GW2. It sets artificial barriers on content gives advantages to those willing to spend hundreds of dollars on themselves or their guild which in my mind goes against the spirit of fair play. Ideally games should be meritocracies where your skills, be it social or strategic or twitch is what makes you excel at whatever game you choose to play should it be chess, Go, Fifa or EVE.

Besides, $15 a month is a fair price. I also don't mind paying for an expansion since it is a game I enjoy playing. Ask yourself this, how much is the hours you spend on your games really worth to you? Some games maybe free to play but you are also investing your free time and energy into games so it's not without its cost.  Although there is a upper limit on how much I am willing to spend on what is essentially a hobby, it is not by any means the most important thing I consider when chosing a game. First and foremost I have to enjoy the game, like how it looks and feels and how the community is. I do not expect you to agree with me, but I ask you to consider the impact of going F2P has had on the games I have mentioned and also to consider the time that has to be invested in games and not just the price tag.

It's funny how people rationalize micro-transactions because they're "not in a cash shop".  Just like not all P2P models are exactly the same, neither are F2P and B2P models.  Turbine's model is a horrible gouge, and SoE is still trying to funnel you into a subscription.  STO, GW2, RaiderZ, Aion, and the upcoming Neverwinter don't try and do that at all.

As for the part I highlighted in gold, how is it any different in Storm Legion?  I'm subbing to the game but unless i pay the extra fee for the digital content upgrade (Storm Legion) I am at a severe disadvantage and totally gated from content.  So even though I've spent more than $335 on the game, unless I spend $40 more I'm cut off.  That sounds exactly like the definition of P2W to me.  If that was framed with respect to a cash shop you would have a hayday, but since you're paying a monthly recurring fee and you like the game that makes it suddenly okay.

I also have an upper limit on what I'm willing to spend on my hobby.  The funny thing is I have spent less on F2P / B2P games than any other subscription game yet.  I tend to spend between $40 - $100 per year on my F2P games and when I'm not spending money on them I can still enjoy them unlike my P2P games where I have to pony up more cash if I want to enjoy what I've already spent.

Here are some examples:

Lineage (P2P included everything - no other costs at all including xpacs): 3 years and $540.

LotRO (pre-F2P): over approx 4 years, including SoA - Moria - Mirkwood, about $750 or so.  I remained subscribed for a while after F2P, but am not counting that.

GW1: 3 xpacs + EoN + 4 character slots over the last 7 years (and I still play and login): $220.

EQ2 pre-F2P: approx 1 year of subscribing (4 - 3 month stints over 2.5 years): $255

EQ2 post "F2P": Played continuously since F2P with $45 in SC (tripple cash weekend from walmart ($5 bonus) - $150 worth of cash for $45).  I also subbed for 3 month after F2P because the game is gated behind a subscription (P2P = P2W) for $39. So in the last couple of years since F2P I've spent less than $100 of which nearly half was sub fees.

GW2: $60 over the last three months.

STO: Zero dollars zero cents.  I will spend $50 on zen for this game when I reach a slightly higher level.

RIFT: $335 over the last 19 months (my game time is good until 24 months) including both CE upgrades.  So $335 over 2 years of which my last few months is wasted and gated unless i pay $40 more.

Neverwinter:  I am interested in supporting this game development so I will buy a $50 pack or purchase early on.

Pay to play, which also heavily incorporates "P2W" and gating content with digital upgrade purchases, has not been the best bang for my buck.  I can afford to spend the money, but it's not worth the cost to me for what is delivered.  The only sub game on that list that was worth the monthly fee was Lineage as the cost actually included everything and the game was deep and engaging.  Content churn mmos aren't worth a sub fee to me.

The bottom line is all my F2P and B2P games don't require additonal fees for me to keep playing at all.  The money I spend on them is still useful even if I don't spend more.  All of my P2P only games require me to spend more to continue enjoying what I've already spent on them.  So in rift my $335 is all down the tubes unless I spend $15 more at the end of my subscription.  That's not something I am willing to support any longer.

Kind of long winded, sorry.

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  tiddy

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11/25/12 12:06:11 AM#36

I played rift for almost 16months before totally giving up on the game and Trion a couple months before the release of their new expansion. I'ma PvPer and thats pretty much all I did whilst playing rift. It was fun. Loadsa fun but i grew tired of Trion constantly failing misreably at class balance so I retired my toons and stopped playing.

I decided to give the storm legion PvP a try in hopes that things have changed. I played it for a week and uninstalled it just yesterday. I cannot for the life of me understand how clueless a company can be about their own game. to understand how they could allow the changes that they made to this game in the new expansion go live is beyond me. they've actually, well and truely succeded in utterly destroying balance.I mean, things were bad before the expansion but now I cannot put it in words just how bad things have become. Rift PvP is now not very much unlike CoD. loadsa peeps runing around one shotting each other. Trion's continued with their trend of nerfing healing and buffing dps to ungodly levels. They've totally removed survivability from the equation, wrecked certain popular classes, introduced a whole bunch of new skills and systems that they are probably going to be attempting to patch up/balance for months and months to come and they've utterly wrecked healing in PvP. its a total mess.

There was a lot of optimism from rift pvpers in the Storm legion expansion, especially those who play the cleric class, me being one of them, but sadly the SL turned out to be nothing more than a huge dissapointment so far as pvp is concerned.

Im a Huge Trion fan but I wont be buying this expansion and I am not going to be playing rift.

if you're into having to put up with a clueless developer, loads and loadsa frustration and having to change your class/build every couple weeks cause of constant nerfs and buffs then rift PvP is just the thing for you otherwise stay the freak away.

  azurrei

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11/25/12 12:35:35 AM#37
Originally posted by Vesavius

'Rift already has a bad reputation of not being a game for people interested in PvP'

 

From my perspective thats a good reputation....

When you consider that more than one raid tier has seen PvP gear as BiS for many souls/builds, no, that's not a good thing.

  Vesavius

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11/26/12 7:12:14 AM#38
Originally posted by azurrei
Originally posted by Vesavius

'Rift already has a bad reputation of not being a game for people interested in PvP'

 

From my perspective thats a good reputation....

When you consider that more than one raid tier has seen PvP gear as BiS for many souls/builds, no, that's not a good thing.

 

From *my* perspective.

Your's may vary.

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