Originally posted by sfc1971

Originally posted by Epic1oots

Anet: You dont like it?

Player: No

Anet: That's... too bad.

Player: But I bought the game....

Anet: We already got your money..... Sucker!!

Anet: Pleae buy our expansion.

Player: No.

Anet: we need the money to keep earning a salary as the one time fee we got from you has been spend!

Player: That's... to bad.

Anet: But we already invested the money in making the expansion.

Player: I already finished with your game... Tossers!

Karma is a bitch, just ask SOE. 

Personally, I am playing GW2 quite happily but as a throwaway MMORPG, fun while it lasts but I know this game isn't going to last for me until the next big game to be released. Exploring the world, doing fun events and not worrying about gear or stats.

But I also am not buying gems and an expansion that just brings more of the same won't be bought by me. And then that original purchase will start to become not a profit but a loss to Anet and I will say unto them: That's... to bad.

Originally posted by Ukiah

Originally posted by FrodoFragins

Originally posted by cptndunsel

The bigger issue here is Nexon. We have now all seen how Nexon is going to influence the game and its not pretty. Even the Anet guys knows this stinks - their inside joke (the under new mgmt sign in the Lost Shores for example) tells its own story. I doubt they have full control of the franchise at this point.

 

Can someone elborate on this?  What influence does Nexon have on GW2?  I know nothing about Nexon.

Thought everyone knew about this. In June, Nexon became the largest stockholder in Anet. It's not a MAJORITY stockholder, but the largest single stockholder:  http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/06/08/nexon-invests-6-8m-in-ncsoft-becomes-largest-shareholder/

Then, a longtime Nexon employee was hired as the Monetization Producer for ANet. She has a 'reputation'. She apparently 'destroyed' MapleStory by altering it's cash shop in some unabashedly greedy manner.

It was one of the warning signs for a lot of us that were on the fence about GuildWars2 a couple months ago. She's NOT popular with the community: http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/75600-crystin-cox-and-the-gem-store/

Nexon is the worst disease that could happen, if they get the chance to fully implement their policies in the financial area of the game. They have destroyed many good games with their ideas about how cash shops should be. For example, in Atlantica Online you pay 30 bucks per month just for the basic stuff and about 100 bucks more for any new cash shop item you want - very powerful items and conveniences, which act with full power in pvp also. Be happy that this did not reach GW2 yet and enjoy it while you still can. Trust me, when you see Nexon, run like hell.

I don't blame Anet for closing down the threads, with the amount of whining going on why should thay take it? There is difference between feedback and trolling/bitching.

If you don't like what Anet is doing, simply leave the game and play something else it is that simple.

Originally posted by Skymourne

Originally posted by Epic1oots

 

Dont include me in your "everyone" I have no problem with what they are doing. /Cheers.

This.

agree'd

Originally posted by Djildjamesh

Originally posted by Skymourne

Originally posted by Epic1oots

 

Dont include me in your "everyone" I have no problem with what they are doing. /Cheers.

This.

agree'd

Having no problem with it isn't the same as asking it.

Most people asking about gear progression still won't play GW2 for other reasons.

Most players actively playing GW2 were fine with exotic items and had no need for ascended.

Some of them don't care, others don't like it.

Around know I should be buying some €10-20 in gems as I've been doing since release every month (except for the first since I had €20 of gems from the betas).

And did the ascended items increased players in the game?

I saw the spike of players in the weekend, due to the event and trial, but that was the same as the spike in players during halloween.

Events and content draw players in, gear tiers, not so much.

And who is going to spend money for gems to buy items when those items might be merchant fodder in the next patch?

Hey, it turns out that the mega-thread was "accidentally" deleted in a "merge" and that AN would never deliberately delete feedback from their valued players.  They even started a new thread for more exciting feedback that they value.

So put away the pitchforks and don't set fire to ArenaNet.  It was just a mistake.  Really.

(I swear that the "we wuz forced to do it" theory, while ridiculous by normal standards, has some traction in my mind.  Either AN's been taken over by the Evil Twin, or a replacement snuck in who's clueless, like a Xena to Joxer switch.  A very strange situation is unfolding.)

Originally posted by Rommie10-284

Hey, it turns out that the mega-thread was "accidentally" deleted in a "merge" and that AN would never deliberately delete feedback from their valued players.  They even started a new thread for more exciting feedback that they value.

So put away the pitchforks and don't set fire to ArenaNet.  It was just a mistake.  Really.

(I swear that the "we wuz forced to do it" theory, while ridiculous by normal standards, has some traction in my mind.  Either AN's been taken over by the Evil Twin, or a replacement snuck in who's clueless, like a Xena to Joxer switch.  A very strange situation is unfolding.)

 

So... here's the ANet official response found here: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/Lost-Shores-Feedback-Thread

Hey all, due to a glitch in our forum software, when merging two threads, the original Feedback Thread was lost to the ether. It is not our intention to remove threads with legitimate player feedback. We value what you have to say, both positive and negative (as long as it is said in a polite and respectful manner).

That said, please use this thread for your general feedback. This thread will remain stickied for ease of posting and viewing.

Again, please accept our apologies on the loss of the previous thread.

Aaaannnnddddd... here's the original thread that was "lost to the ether": https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/Thoughts-on-Ascended-Gear-Merged-threads

I have to admit, I'm not feeling like the official response is the whole truth.  The thread is plainly still in existence.  Are they really trying to tell us that once a thread is locked, that's it?  There's no way for their forum software to unlock a thread?  PR spin some more?

Edit:  I think I misunderstood.  It looks like they had a sticky thread that they deleted and restarted, not related to the merged "feedback thread".

Originally posted by simmihi

Originally posted by Ukiah

Originally posted by FrodoFragins

Originally posted by cptndunsel

The bigger issue here is Nexon. We have now all seen how Nexon is going to influence the game and its not pretty. Even the Anet guys knows this stinks - their inside joke (the under new mgmt sign in the Lost Shores for example) tells its own story. I doubt they have full control of the franchise at this point.

 

Can someone elborate on this?  What influence does Nexon have on GW2?  I know nothing about Nexon.

Thought everyone knew about this. In June, Nexon became the largest stockholder in Anet. It's not a MAJORITY stockholder, but the largest single stockholder:  http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/06/08/nexon-invests-6-8m-in-ncsoft-becomes-largest-shareholder/

Then, a longtime Nexon employee was hired as the Monetization Producer for ANet. She has a 'reputation'. She apparently 'destroyed' MapleStory by altering it's cash shop in some unabashedly greedy manner.

It was one of the warning signs for a lot of us that were on the fence about GuildWars2 a couple months ago. She's NOT popular with the community: http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/75600-crystin-cox-and-the-gem-store/

Nexon is the worst disease that could happen, if they get the chance to fully implement their policies in the financial area of the game. They have destroyed many good games with their ideas about how cash shops should be. For example, in Atlantica Online you pay 30 bucks per month just for the basic stuff and about 100 bucks more for any new cash shop item you want - very powerful items and conveniences, which act with full power in pvp also. Be happy that this did not reach GW2 yet and enjoy it while you still can. Trust me, when you see Nexon, run like hell.

I used to play AO before NEXON screwed up, it was a beautiful game, I love the arenas where you could PVP to your hearts desire, the Nexon came and the prices went up 10000% in everything and I said bye bye birdie.

Originally posted by someforumguy

Originally posted by FlawSGI

Originally posted by evolver1972

Hello, everyone:

It appears that most of the people who had an opinion about the issue have already voiced their thoughts.

The debate in this thread is becoming quite circular and the discussion has now run its course.

As such, we’re going to close this thread.

Please refer to the message from our Studio Design Director, Chris Whiteside, for our response to concerns about this issue.

Thank you all for your feedback and participation. We appreciate you sharing your thoughts with us.

 

Very last page of the thread.

 

But, hey, we all know Anet doesn't care.

 

Glad I wasn't the only one who saw a response because I was really confused. OP says they didn't given an explination and then I see one right there at the bottom.   Weird.......

Seriously? The link in there is a week old post from Chris Whiteside. That message was one of the reasons why so many players were so worried. First it was the blog and then this lame 'explanation' came that didn't actually explain anything and that is what caused this thread to go really fast.  Everyone in that thread already knew about that post. It is what got them really worried in the first place ><

 

Yeah seriousey!! As I stated.... OP said there wasn't anything and there was. Just because the explination wasn't clear enouhg for your liking doesn't mean it wasn't one. Afte reading some of the last few pages of the thread I can clearly see why it was stopped.  Some peoples senses of entitlement are rediculous around here. I felt it stated enough that it told people they felt they had reason enough to stop it without telling people how much they sound like whiney B*@%hes. There is a difference between criticism and whining and I bet I know what side Anet felt that discussion had fallen under.

I am not here defending the explination itself mind you, only that the OP claims were false and I felt he over dramatized the hell out of  it because he was somehow butt-hurt and needed to post it on another site. I am one of those people that don't feel I need a full explination and briefing before, during, and after a move is made by Anet. I play the damned game and If I like I continue... If I don't I stop playing and move on.... and if given a chance to give honest feedback IE the surveys they send out, I will do so. Other than that I don't feel Anet ows me anything. If they want my business then they have to put out something I like in the future as well as now. If they cater to every person who whines about a feature then I can gaurantee you I won't buy an expansion. So far the changes made havn't upset me enough to stop playing.

To those claiming Anet doesn't give a rats ass because they are B2P and already have your money, it's no different in this regard because Sub games do the same thing when they take the initial $60 and you get a product not worth the free month. Anet wants continued support and they are going to do what they feel will keep their game relevant. If I don't like the changes I can stop at any point and try it again later.

Don't they have a "Gameplay subject to change" statement in their EULA like most mmos do?

So... here's the ANet official response found here: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/Lost-Shores-Feedback-Thread

Hey all, due to a glitch in our forum software, when merging two threads, the original Feedback Thread was lost to the ether. It is not our intention to remove threads with legitimate player feedback. We value what you have to say, both positive and negative (as long as it is said in a polite and respectful manner).

That said, please use this thread for your general feedback. This thread will remain stickied for ease of posting and viewing.

Again, please accept our apologies on the loss of the previous thread.

 

Aaaannnnddddd... here's the original thread that was "lost to the ether": https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/Thoughts-on-Ascended-Gear-Merged-threads

 

I have to admit, I'm not feeling like the official response is the whole truth.  The thread is plainly still in existence.  Are they really trying to tell us that once a thread is locked, that's it?  There's no way for their forum software to unlock a thread?  PR spin some more?

 

Edit:  I think I misunderstood.  It looks like they had a sticky thread that they deleted and restarted, not related to the merged "feedback thread".

Oh ANet, you cheeky bastard.  This GW2 stuff is my new favorite story.  Move over General Hospital, its The War Of The Guilds now!

I can't keep up with which side of the face they're talking out of this episode.

Originally posted by Timzilla

Don't they have a "Gameplay subject to change" statement in their EULA like most mmos do?

Probably! However that doesn't mean it is always a good idea for a big change, especially after such a short period since launch. You know, don't go rocking the boat and all that.

Originally posted by NaughtyP

Originally posted by Timzilla

Don't they have a "Gameplay subject to change" statement in their EULA like most mmos do?

Probably! However that doesn't mean it is always a good idea for a big change, especially after such a short period since launch. You know, don't go rocking the boat and all that.

ntw is not a big change, can't even say its a change, just new items on with only one map new

Originally posted by alkarionlog

Originally posted by NaughtyP

Originally posted by Timzilla

Don't they have a "Gameplay subject to change" statement in their EULA like most mmos do?

Probably! However that doesn't mean it is always a good idea for a big change, especially after such a short period since launch. You know, don't go rocking the boat and all that.

ntw is not a big change, can't even say its a change, just new items on with only one map new

I've never heard of a 3-month old game adding a brand new tier of gear within 3 months of release... even coming from MMOs that are really driven by gear acquisition. Don't be dismissive. It's a significant change. Some welcome it, some don't. Personal feeling aside, I've never seen such a change so early in a game's life.

Originally posted by NaughtyP

Originally posted by alkarionlog

Originally posted by NaughtyP

Originally posted by Timzilla

Don't they have a "Gameplay subject to change" statement in their EULA like most mmos do?

Probably! However that doesn't mean it is always a good idea for a big change, especially after such a short period since launch. You know, don't go rocking the boat and all that.

ntw is not a big change, can't even say its a change, just new items on with only one map new

I've never heard of a 3-month old game adding a brand new tier of gear within 3 months of release... even coming from MMOs that are really driven by gear acquisition. Don't be dismissive. It's a significant change. Some welcome it, some don't. Personal feeling aside, I've never seen such a change so early in a game's life.

Exactly - people wanted more and they are getting more. Now that it has happened, people are saying it is not what they wanted.

I give A.Net Kudos for trying something - anything for that matter.

Originally posted by NaughtyP

Originally posted by alkarionlog

Originally posted by NaughtyP

Originally posted by Timzilla

Don't they have a "Gameplay subject to change" statement in their EULA like most mmos do?

Probably! However that doesn't mean it is always a good idea for a big change, especially after such a short period since launch. You know, don't go rocking the boat and all that.

ntw is not a big change, can't even say its a change, just new items on with only one map new

I've never heard of a 3-month old game adding a brand new tier of gear within 3 months of release... even coming from MMOs that are really driven by gear acquisition. Don't be dismissive. It's a significant change. Some welcome it, some don't. Personal feeling aside, I've never seen such a change so early in a game's life.

thta si the thing people crying is saying it a new tier, I can't even see it being a new tier, you call it a new carrot for you to follow if you want the new gear be it by skin or so, but say about a gear who can be only usefull on the dungeon you need to run, with is optional, even though I think this new dungeon was bad implemented, a new tier is too much, everyone is saying such and such but no one who complain posted any table with values of the new gear with the lvl 80 exotics, I know they are saying for a long time now the legendary gear will have better stats to make up for the difficult to get then, but the one I would get who would be the rifle would make me lose damage because his stats are not good.

but till I see both gear on my hands and check they values and waht we can put of then I will not go with this histeria, most are crying for the sake of crying.

Originally posted by killion81

The debate in this thread is becoming quite circular and the discussion has now run its course.

Unless your name is Bobby Kotick, you don't have to put up with perpetual tub-thumpers.