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News & Features Discussion  » [Column] Star Wars: The Old Republic: Is SWTOR Moving Toward the Dark Side or the Light?

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11/21/12 4:34:16 AM#61
Originally posted by lotaparty
Originally posted by eyeqdk

Sorry, but when you have to pay to get use the bedst gear in game, thats called PAY  2 WIN

Free to play, is when you cant pay real cash for better gear, in SWTOR, you have to pay to be able to use epix (or artifact) gear. 

so who ever is paying real money, is always going to be in better gear, no mater how much you farm as free player. (have fun in PVP) 


And yes, making game where you have around 20 skills to use, but only can use 10 at at time, is also the dumest thing i ever heard. 


Overall, fail of "F2P" model, that is more of P2W model


enlighten me with any f2p title that has not got it :)

Well, i see you are PS2 fan, so i go with that. 

No mater what you pay for in PS2, a Free user can get that, it just take longer time.  and you can only get weapons, and a weapon is not a "better" weapon, it just diferent. 

GW2, not a F2p game, have a better "f2p" model, you buy the game, and you are good to go, dont need to pay for better items.

In TOR, if you payed, lest say 150 $ for colection version of the game 11 month ago, today its 5$ worth. coz you get the same "benefits" when u just spend 5$ on market. 

So do tell me, how TOR "F2P" is not a P2W? 

Fallen earth, DDO  and Star Trek Online are also not pay to win, and list can go on, if u want to know more.



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11/21/12 4:55:27 AM#62

I think the best point Aoshi makes in this article is that EA/BioWare didn't take the chance to have multiple "tiers" of subscription.

Some of the gripes have merit, spint & the hotbars were taking the penny-pinching a little too far as both impede playability & the ability to play on an even keel with subbers, in a performance category.

I am a fan of the game & do think there is far too much pissing & moaning about the game's f2p model but those points I mention are the most salient ones.


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11/21/12 5:17:03 AM#63
I was kinda really disappointed with Bioware making people sub for to whisper to other players online and having the full exp and not on the F2P side.

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11/21/12 5:34:08 AM#64
Originally posted by RexGarvin
From reading the SWTOR forums I found out that unless you purchase them you will not have action bars in FTP.  This has got to be the dumbest FTP game Ive ever seen.  I was in the process of down loading the game but stopped it.   SWTOR can go f.... them selves for ruining the Star Wars legacy!!!

It's not THAT bad. You get 2 action bars as a free and as a preferred player.

Bad thing is that some (most) classes/builds will run out of neccessary bar space at aroung level 30-40. That forces one to filter out skills not often used or just used out of combat and use them from the ability window.

I was planning on finishing my Sith Juggernauts storyline (the only Imperial I haven't finished yet) with FTP. It is playable but the action bar restriction alone is so annoying I think about dumping that plan.

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11/21/12 6:59:51 AM#65

Selling GUI elements! The first and the only game that does it!

As "premium" formal subscriber I feel deeply offended by that "2 hor-bar" policy. Past level 16 you simply can not place all needed abilities on 2 bars, so, game simply become unplayable. 


No, thank you. Play by this "unique" F2P model yoursef, EA.


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11/21/12 9:36:37 AM#66

I'm starting to wonder if EA/Bioware can get anything right at this point.

Clearly the f2p model they have implemented is a fail also.


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11/21/12 9:39:12 AM#67

You mention rewards for subscribers.. do you mean cartel coins?  After playing for months, being a pre-order customer, with a collectors edition, and a subscriber at the time they went F2P,  ended up with the massive reward of 1000 coins (or £5 / $10). That amount bought me nothing in their store of any interest apart from a few potions.

This is not a reward, this is an insult.

On top of this, they took my remaining 2 months subs which I had paid for, dropped it to 7 days and attempted to charge me for another month. Then, when I wrote to their CS and complained, they didnt even bother responding. And when I posted it on their CS forum, the SWTOR fans just told me I must be lying and where I could go...

I have now cancelled my sub and wont be returning.

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11/21/12 10:00:49 AM#68
I played at launch and I played just the other day, launch spoiled me to much for this f2p version and this just isn't worth a monthly sub.

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11/21/12 10:03:18 AM#69
Originally posted by Gaborik
Originally posted by MMOGamer71
Originally posted by Gaborik
Originally posted by MMOGamer71
Originally posted by Gaborik
Originally posted by bpraswid
Former subcriber should be given free cartel points without need to re subcribe


Your not entitled to crap in a video game or real life deal with it.

You work for EA?


Nope do not. But these pathetic people who have been whining and crying that the game is "not free enough" or want cartel points without paying a whopping $14.99 are a joke.

I just find it odd that you would treat people that have spent $30+ the same as Joe "F2P" Blow. 


And I find it odd someone with an ignorant little signature would spent time and energy on a game forum they clearly dont like...oh wait I believe there is a name for people like that.

I am a subscription holder. But if they don't fix this F2P model, we won't have a game to play. This was supposed to help save the game, instead its killing it. This is Electronic Arts, if their not making a 300% profit, its not viable to them. Look at their history. They buy game developers, push the execs out the door, run the companies name into the ground and close everything down, keep the licenses and move on to the next victim. this will happen here. They have no interest in this game or its players, just their bottom line. I still miss Westwood Studios...


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11/21/12 10:08:45 AM#70


Maybe someone decent will buy them out...

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11/21/12 10:21:42 AM#71
It's quite simple: Make the game fantastic instead of mediocre, this needs a reverse NGE and a total makeover more in the direction of SWG. People would give BW truckloads of subscription money to play a TOR/SWG hybrid.

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11/21/12 10:34:33 AM#72
Originally posted by TheOctagon


Maybe someone decent will buy them out...

I hope so and I hope the sale goes quick, before EA kills the rest of the gaming industry. 


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11/21/12 10:35:27 AM#73

I can't see how they think SWTOR will be more attractive with more restrictions. I quit because it sucked. Now it sux exactly the same but I can't even take my hat off.

Does Disney get this game, too? I can't see how they could make it worse so lets hope they can just throw some dirt on this grave and give us a real Star Wars MMO.


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11/21/12 11:03:24 AM#74

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My opinion is that the foundation of the game is decent but not great.  Space combat is horrible and inexcusable for a $250 million game.  Their engine sucks and clearly always will in terms of responsiveness.  The world design is completely linear with major dividing lines between factions that minimizes conflict.  Leveling alts of the same faction is extremely tedious when you aren't doing your story quests. 


Their F2P model goes way overboard on nickle and diming.  Only a fanboy would defend them charging to get a fully functional UI.  I've washed my hands of the game.  What a waste of $60.






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11/21/12 12:04:02 PM#75
Originally posted by Gaborik
The ones who say OMG 2 action bars hate the game already and will never fill one. Theses same people who say OMG only 2 character slots will never get one to 50. The game is full and lots of fun right now for some. Some spend $14.99/month some are doing it free. There are some who before this game was released called it crap, shit, a heap, dead, horrible its clear these same people are back. Why spend so much time and energy trying to bash something others enjoy? The mmo market is flooded with games go find one and play it. Whining and crying this one is "not free enough" is pathetic.
I spent 6 month of game time on this game. Do you think that after spending so much money and time on it, it is normal to have access to only 2 hot bars?! With my lvl50 character?



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11/21/12 1:55:27 PM#76

I tried it yesterday, lvled ,l finished the story part where i left off last time, but things like hotbars are really sad, seriusly?limit ui?and today i deleted it... simply i have no interest in paying real money to use items,use hotbars,etc...,also preffered players cant even buy some items since u can only have 350k credits, i got no problem with xp penalty for f2p users, since that can be overcome i think major fault in today f2p market is that the models should be made with little more with player in mind and how to make them stay and gradually use money than to make them spend money for everything u can posibly think off...


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11/21/12 9:41:34 PM#77
I'm sorry but I play f2p games quite regularly infact I have never been hammered over the head with you need to sub now as I have in this game. I finished a quest yesterday and was told that I need to subscribe for the quest reward. Ever since this day I have no desire to return to the game. I have played games that if I listened to the community are the worst f2p titles (I play DCuniverse online quite regularly I also occassionally go in STo). I have to believe itis the worst implementation of f2p I've seen. While many say with the games I've played they are bombarded by you need to buy from the store or you need to sub this is the only game I've found that to be true. 
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11/22/12 6:18:02 AM#78
Sorry EA/Bioware but this F2P model is awful. I'd like to see a dodge feature like in gw2 and a much better F2P model before I try it... again. 100% Agree with the above post that having to subscribe for a second quick slot bar etc is alienating.

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11/22/12 11:39:15 AM#79

This article was clearly written for those who despise the game.  Way to stir up drama by bringing up the doctors leaving again.  The F2P model has brought many new players and many returning players to the game.  The starter worlds have hundreds of players on every server.  The game is a solid game and fun to play.  I have had several friends come try the game out and enjoy it and plan to subscribe now. 

I am glad the game has restrictions on chat and other things to prevent the gold spammers from running Amuk.  I like alot of the cool new content that was added to the game through the cartel market.  As a subscriber, I like the option to unlock legacy perks with cartel coins instead of spending credits on it.  I got rocket boots now and they Rock!  The game is cheaper to subscribe than buy every option through the cartel market, they had to do this, its economically solid.  If they hadn't made it htis way, they would have lost all the subscribers, but now if you enjoy the game and want to play all the time then its cheaper to subsribe and get almost everything, there are still market unlocks even for subscribers but you get monthly cartel coins for this which is more bang for your buck.  However, if you only want to do certain things in the game occasionally, then you can!  Say you only want to do warzones on thanksgiving week, then just buy a weekly pass for a week instead of subbing for a month, Gasp options, how terrible of them, burn them at the stake!! 

The two hotkey bar rage seems over the top, I only use 2 hotkey bars as a subscriber at lvl50 even though I can use all 6 if I desired, I only use 2 and have no problems in the game.  Why?  Because that is the most efficient way for me to play and it works fine, anyone complaining about this is just stretching for reasons to complain.  I find more than 2 hotkey bars is clutter and that I only use specific skills for what I"ve trained in, which eliminates certain abilities as not optimal and thus don't need to be on the hotkey bar. 

After I got bombed by gold spammers in GW2, it is refreshing to not have gotten even 1 email from a gold spammer in this game.  After watching hackers and botters run Amuk in GW2, its refreshing not to have to deal with that in ToR.  If I have a technical problem, I can call and get an actual person on the phone to deal with my problem.

I'm glad to see many new players playing the game and enjoying it, but then again, in game experiences and forum experiences always tend to wildly vary. 


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11/22/12 11:57:19 AM#80

As a leveling player the f2p restrictions dont hit you hard.

You get 100% all missions for free

You get all classes for free

You get sprint at 15, Speeder training at 25

You get two action bars (Enough for skills to 50 as long as u access buffs through skill panel)

You get two out of three crew skills (it costs less than 5 dollars to unlock the third or you can purchase this out of the AH)

You only get two auction house slots ( ive been able to make money with this restriction)

Commendations are capped at 20 (hasent really been a problem for me)

Credit cap set at 250k to 350k depending on the type of f2p player you are. This is meaningless for leveling players.

You cant wear purple gear. Honestly this is a good thing. You dont need purple items. You can level using orange, blues & greens. Use the purples to sell in AH so you can unlock cartel items through the AH.


I agree that F2p hits returning endgame players hard, but for people wanting to level up a couple classes its pretty great.





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