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  Hancakes

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11/19/12 4:07:13 PM#21
Originally posted by Thorbrand

Xsyon would be the best sandbox MMO out there and there isn't really anything wrong with the game. Combat needs work but if you only judge games by combat just go back to these single player action advertures they are calling MMOs.

All Xsyon needs is more people playing a true MMO. Has more features now than anything out there and not all the featrues are in the game yet.

Its nothing more than "Bob The Builder Online",  its all rather pointless.  Are you referring to Xsyon as a true MMO? Because it had plenty of people, but they all left for the same glaring  issues Xsyon has today.

  nkitz

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Joined: 1/27/12
Posts: 79

11/19/12 4:15:00 PM#22
Originally posted by MindTrigger
Originally posted by Thorbrand

Xsyon would be the best sandbox MMO out there and there isn't really anything wrong with the game. Combat needs work but if you only judge games by combat just go back to these single player action advertures they are calling MMOs.

All Xsyon needs is more people playing a true MMO. Has more features now than anything out there and not all the featrues are in the game yet.

The problem isn't the tools or the world.  The problem is that once you have done a fair share of crafting and getting your home set up, there's no reason to keep playing.  There's no gameplay drivers.  No faction wars, no meaningful PvP or PvE to speak of, etc.

Right now it's a great little crafting simulator and that's about it.  They need to work on the "survival" side.  Making mean deer isn't the answer.

I find a lot to keep me playing but there is a pve and community aspect in the game now. I would like to see more in the way of content like furniture and I know all of that is planned. The one thing I want the most is healing which is on this round of development, so it's not to far off and that will solve my complaint on down time during hunts, we find a ton to hunt.

 

Player count is up and I've said this before but I always see new names on the main server coming over from trial. I've done a good bit of recruiting and that keeps things busy in village and we always have projects going on. I guess it depends on what you want out of the game if you are going to enjoy it or not.

 

I have no issues with lag or dysync issues as pointed out. Must be his connection or he hasn't played in a very very long time. :)

  Pumuckl71

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Posts: 127

11/19/12 4:20:41 PM#23

realy ? are there more then 100 ppl  in  the map size of Brazil ?

  MindTrigger

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11/19/12 4:26:43 PM#24
Originally posted by nkitz
Originally posted by MindTrigger
Originally posted by Thorbrand

Xsyon would be the best sandbox MMO out there and there isn't really anything wrong with the game. Combat needs work but if you only judge games by combat just go back to these single player action advertures they are calling MMOs.

All Xsyon needs is more people playing a true MMO. Has more features now than anything out there and not all the featrues are in the game yet.

The problem isn't the tools or the world.  The problem is that once you have done a fair share of crafting and getting your home set up, there's no reason to keep playing.  There's no gameplay drivers.  No faction wars, no meaningful PvP or PvE to speak of, etc.

Right now it's a great little crafting simulator and that's about it.  They need to work on the "survival" side.  Making mean deer isn't the answer.

I find a lot to keep me playing but there is a pve and community aspect in the game now. I would like to see more in the way of content like furniture and I know all of that is planned. The one thing I want the most is healing which is on this round of development, so it's not to far off and that will solve my complaint on down time during hunts, we find a ton to hunt.

Player count is up and I've said this before but I always see new names on the main server coming over from trial. I've done a good bit of recruiting and that keeps things busy in village and we always have projects going on. I guess it depends on what you want out of the game if you are going to enjoy it or not.

I have no issues with lag or dysync issues as ddt pointed out. Must be his connection :P

I guess I don't understand why the PvE sucks, for starters.  I get what you are saying above, but it's still just crafting.  Considering the story and setting of the game, why aren't there some roving mutants or other monsters running around?  Why not some NPC camps and caves and such to attack?  The trouble is that the game fails to have even basic MMO activities to do.  It's all very flat from a gameplay perspective.

I can understand the fun of the community aspects you are describing.  This is a huge reason I love sandbox games, but you can't go without the other side of that coin too if you want people to stick around.  There needs to be some kind of upward mobility for people to strive for and fight over. 

Originally the devs envisioned people having to fight each other over resources, but that didn't really ever work.  That can be part of it, but that probably isn't going ot excite people for the sole combat gameplay driver.

The other thing these guys really need to overcome is the amount of time development takes.  It's just forever.  You can't expect people to hang around for things that are on the development list when there's a good chance you won't see any of it for a year.

I hate to be negative, but not much has really changed since the last relaunch.

A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.

  nkitz

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Joined: 1/27/12
Posts: 79

11/19/12 4:40:11 PM#25
I'm hoping with kickstarter the pace changes at which development goes. It should help immensely I would think.
  Zekiah

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Hype (noun)
1. to trick; gull.
2. exaggerated publicity; hoopla.
3. swindle, deception, or trick.

11/19/12 4:47:19 PM#26
Originally posted by nkitz
I'm hoping with kickstarter the pace changes at which development goes. It should help immensely I would think.

Kickstarter? The game has been out for two years!

They've had plenty of opportunity to fix the game but they're just flat out slow and incompetent. Any cash thrown their way would be a waste.

"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky

  nkitz

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Joined: 1/27/12
Posts: 79

11/19/12 4:53:13 PM#27
Originally posted by Zekiah
Originally posted by nkitz
I'm hoping with kickstarter the pace changes at which development goes. It should help immensely I would think.

Kickstarter? The game has been out for two years!

They've had plenty of opportunity to fix the game but they're just flat out slow and incompetent. Any cash thrown their way would be a waste.

I know of games that have been out a lot longer and they just gradually go along adding stuff here and there, never really getting stuff added but yet people still play them and have grown to expect as much from them over the years. I would rather see him look for investors or try kickstarter than just do like other games on the market who are perfectly content with putting a carrot on a stick and dangling it in our faces.

  Pumuckl71

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Posts: 127

11/19/12 4:53:51 PM#28

imo thye got way over their heads .

I played the betas and was soo exited ....but on release

the 5 days server meltdowns  newbie  area insta ganking

bug ridden  , shit tons of rollbacks  , envirement rape (paving roads  over the lands been called by a player  taking an active role -.-)

"ELITE GUILDS"'  getting delusional thinking they have the right to shape the game to their likings

oh boy i could go on and on

 

  Zekiah

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Joined: 1/06/07
Posts: 2539

Hype (noun)
1. to trick; gull.
2. exaggerated publicity; hoopla.
3. swindle, deception, or trick.

11/19/12 4:59:22 PM#29
Originally posted by nkitz
Originally posted by Zekiah
Originally posted by nkitz
I'm hoping with kickstarter the pace changes at which development goes. It should help immensely I would think.

Kickstarter? The game has been out for two years!

They've had plenty of opportunity to fix the game but they're just flat out slow and incompetent. Any cash thrown their way would be a waste.

I know of games that have been out a lot longer and they just gradually go along adding stuff here and there, never really getting stuff added but yet people still play them and have grown to expect as much from them over the years. I would rather see him look for investors or try kickstarter than just do like other games on the market who are perfectly content with putting a carrot on a stick and dangling it in our faces.

Jordi can do whatever he wants but I've never seen a slower, less competent MMO company. They've had TWO YEARS to right that sinking ship so to hope that somehow things will get better now is just a pipe dream. Nothing more.

"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky

  Thorbrand

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Joined: 3/06/04
Posts: 1217

11/19/12 5:08:01 PM#30
Originally posted by Hancakes
Originally posted by Thorbrand

Xsyon would be the best sandbox MMO out there and there isn't really anything wrong with the game. Combat needs work but if you only judge games by combat just go back to these single player action advertures they are calling MMOs.

All Xsyon needs is more people playing a true MMO. Has more features now than anything out there and not all the featrues are in the game yet.

Its nothing more than "Bob The Builder Online",  its all rather pointless.  Are you referring to Xsyon as a true MMO? Because it had plenty of people, but they all left for the same glaring  issues Xsyon has today.

It is a true MMO because you play the way you want in a perssistant world. MMOs are not single player action adventures. It it still needs work but it has more features than anything else we have seen in 10yrs. Of course casuals would not want to play the game but than again casual MMO player is a oxymoron anyway.

If the community isn't going to support true MMOs there is no hope. You got Xsyon and Pathfinder Online or we continue to get what they are giving us not even worth the box price.

  Zekiah

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Joined: 1/06/07
Posts: 2539

Hype (noun)
1. to trick; gull.
2. exaggerated publicity; hoopla.
3. swindle, deception, or trick.

11/19/12 5:14:53 PM#31
Originally posted by Thorbrand
Originally posted by Hancakes
Originally posted by Thorbrand

Xsyon would be the best sandbox MMO out there and there isn't really anything wrong with the game. Combat needs work but if you only judge games by combat just go back to these single player action advertures they are calling MMOs.

All Xsyon needs is more people playing a true MMO. Has more features now than anything out there and not all the featrues are in the game yet.

Its nothing more than "Bob The Builder Online",  its all rather pointless.  Are you referring to Xsyon as a true MMO? Because it had plenty of people, but they all left for the same glaring  issues Xsyon has today.

If the community isn't going to support true MMOs there is no hope.

People like myself supported this game TWO YEARS ago. I'd rather not add more deck chairs to that sinking ship, thank you. 

"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky

  nkitz

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Joined: 1/27/12
Posts: 79

11/19/12 5:18:30 PM#32
Originally posted by Pumuckl71

imo thye got way over their heads .

I played the betas and was soo exited ....but on release

the 5 days server meltdowns  newbie  area insta ganking

bug ridden  , shit tons of rollbacks  , envirement rape (paving roads  over the lands been called by a player  taking an active role -.-)

"ELITE GUILDS"'  getting delusional thinking they have the right to shape the game to their likings

oh boy i could go on and on

 

That is all over and done with.

  nkitz

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Joined: 1/27/12
Posts: 79

11/19/12 5:19:18 PM#33
Originally posted by Zekiah
Originally posted by Thorbrand
Originally posted by Hancakes
Originally posted by Thorbrand

Xsyon would be the best sandbox MMO out there and there isn't really anything wrong with the game. Combat needs work but if you only judge games by combat just go back to these single player action advertures they are calling MMOs.

All Xsyon needs is more people playing a true MMO. Has more features now than anything out there and not all the featrues are in the game yet.

Its nothing more than "Bob The Builder Online",  its all rather pointless.  Are you referring to Xsyon as a true MMO? Because it had plenty of people, but they all left for the same glaring  issues Xsyon has today.

If the community isn't going to support true MMOs there is no hope.

People like myself supported this game TWO YEARS ago. I'd rather not add more deck chairs to that sinking ship, thank you. 

No one is asking you to, If others want to then respect it.

  Zekiah

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Joined: 1/06/07
Posts: 2539

Hype (noun)
1. to trick; gull.
2. exaggerated publicity; hoopla.
3. swindle, deception, or trick.

11/19/12 5:22:01 PM#34
Originally posted by nkitz
Originally posted by Zekiah
Originally posted by Thorbrand
Originally posted by Hancakes
Originally posted by Thorbrand

Xsyon would be the best sandbox MMO out there and there isn't really anything wrong with the game. Combat needs work but if you only judge games by combat just go back to these single player action advertures they are calling MMOs.

All Xsyon needs is more people playing a true MMO. Has more features now than anything out there and not all the featrues are in the game yet.

Its nothing more than "Bob The Builder Online",  its all rather pointless.  Are you referring to Xsyon as a true MMO? Because it had plenty of people, but they all left for the same glaring  issues Xsyon has today.

If the community isn't going to support true MMOs there is no hope.

People like myself supported this game TWO YEARS ago. I'd rather not add more deck chairs to that sinking ship, thank you. 

No one is asking you to, If others want to then respect it.

I don't respect, nor ever will, gamers who throw good money after bad supporting these incompetent game developers who continue to string people along for years with a shiny, gold carrot.

It's bad for the industry. It's bad for gamers. Period.

"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky

  nkitz

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Joined: 1/27/12
Posts: 79

11/19/12 5:27:09 PM#35
Originally posted by Zekiah
Originally posted by nkitz
Originally posted by Zekiah
Originally posted by Thorbrand
Originally posted by Hancakes
Originally posted by Thorbrand

Xsyon would be the best sandbox MMO out there and there isn't really anything wrong with the game. Combat needs work but if you only judge games by combat just go back to these single player action advertures they are calling MMOs.

All Xsyon needs is more people playing a true MMO. Has more features now than anything out there and not all the featrues are in the game yet.

Its nothing more than "Bob The Builder Online",  its all rather pointless.  Are you referring to Xsyon as a true MMO? Because it had plenty of people, but they all left for the same glaring  issues Xsyon has today.

If the community isn't going to support true MMOs there is no hope.

People like myself supported this game TWO YEARS ago. I'd rather not add more deck chairs to that sinking ship, thank you. 

No one is asking you to, If others want to then respect it.

I don't respect, nor ever will, gamers who throw good money after bad supporting these incompetent game developers who continue to string people along for years with a shiny, gold carrot.

It's bad for the industry. It's bad for gamers. Period.

Your opinion. I think raising enough money through kickstarter is better than continuing on as they have been and not trying to get funds by way of investors or kickstarter. More funds would bring in more developers which would mean faster feature implementation.

  Zekiah

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Joined: 1/06/07
Posts: 2539

Hype (noun)
1. to trick; gull.
2. exaggerated publicity; hoopla.
3. swindle, deception, or trick.

11/19/12 5:31:38 PM#36
Originally posted by nkitz
Originally posted by Zekiah
Originally posted by nkitz
Originally posted by Zekiah
Originally posted by Thorbrand
Originally posted by Hancakes
Originally posted by Thorbrand

Xsyon would be the best sandbox MMO out there and there isn't really anything wrong with the game. Combat needs work but if you only judge games by combat just go back to these single player action advertures they are calling MMOs.

All Xsyon needs is more people playing a true MMO. Has more features now than anything out there and not all the featrues are in the game yet.

Its nothing more than "Bob The Builder Online",  its all rather pointless.  Are you referring to Xsyon as a true MMO? Because it had plenty of people, but they all left for the same glaring  issues Xsyon has today.

If the community isn't going to support true MMOs there is no hope.

People like myself supported this game TWO YEARS ago. I'd rather not add more deck chairs to that sinking ship, thank you. 

No one is asking you to, If others want to then respect it.

I don't respect, nor ever will, gamers who throw good money after bad supporting these incompetent game developers who continue to string people along for years with a shiny, gold carrot.

It's bad for the industry. It's bad for gamers. Period.

Your opinion. I think raising enough money through kickstarter is better than continuing on as they have been and not trying to get funds by way of investors or kickstarter. More funds would bring in more developers which would mean faster feature implementation.

They already raised money and it didn't work the first time! Like I said, throwing good money after bad. They have absolutely NO proven track record of delivering on their promises, let alone in a reasonable time frame.

It's this kind of string-a-long mindset that has helped wrecked this industry in the first place.

"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky

  nkitz

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11/19/12 5:34:29 PM#37

When did they raise money to begin with? I've been playing the game for a very long time and they never raised money before for development.

 

What industry? Are you talking about sandbox mmo's? I can name quite a few that are far worse and string along the playerbase when I haven't really seen that here. I can name games and show you countless posts by devs on promised updates that will never come including screen shots. I've never seen Jordi put a date on anything as you never know what you are going to run in to or how long it may take. I can name a few devs from other games that give timelines all the time and post screen shots of things to come and 6 years later I never did see any of it.

 

 

  Zekiah

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Posts: 2539

Hype (noun)
1. to trick; gull.
2. exaggerated publicity; hoopla.
3. swindle, deception, or trick.

11/19/12 5:40:52 PM#38
Originally posted by nkitz
When did they raise money to begin with? I've been playing the game for a very long time and they never raised money before for development.

Um, right about the time that people paid for the game, ie, $39.99.

"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky

  Zekiah

Advanced Member

Joined: 1/06/07
Posts: 2539

Hype (noun)
1. to trick; gull.
2. exaggerated publicity; hoopla.
3. swindle, deception, or trick.

11/19/12 5:42:46 PM#39
Originally posted by nkitz

When did they raise money to begin with? I've been playing the game for a very long time and they never raised money before for development.

 

What industry? Are you talking about sandbox mmo's? I can name quite a few that are far worse and string along the playerbase when I haven't really seen that here. I can name games and show you countless posts by devs on promised updates that will never come including screen shots. I've never seen Jordi put a date on anything as you never know what you are going to run in to or how long it may take. I can name a few devs from other games that give timelines all the time and post screen shots of things to come and 6 years later I never did see any of it.

 

 

Then by all means, hand over more cash. Perhaps in another two years or so, and more of your cash, they'll finally fix the game.

"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky

  nkitz

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Posts: 79

11/19/12 5:51:43 PM#40

Ah ok, what you just mentioned is people paying for the game not raising money for development through investors or kickstarter. Raising money through investors and kickstarter is a whole different animal than relying on sales of the game as with a lot of sandbox mmo's that usually doesn't work as the market for these types of games is very small. Lets use Wurm for instance, 3-5k player base and yet Rolf hasn't really gone far with the game or done all the things he promised years prior, even animations were shown and told a year prior they would be in at such and such date, of course that has been pushed back and more screen shots posted with nothing to show for it in game. This is what we like to call dangling a carrot on a stick just to get more players pumping money in to the game with no real work coming from it. Now Rolf has relied on his playerbase for a very long time and after 8 years of the game being on the market very little has really changed over the years and that has a lot to do with relying on a small market playerbase that is the sandbox mmo market.

 

If Jordi doesn't want to go down that road of relying on sales and after maybe 4-6 years of that we finally see progress then I give him props for trying anything and everything to spare his customer base that long drawn out process of relying on customer sales and monthly subs when you know for a fact it's a slow process when it comes to the sandbox mmo market. If things go as planned for kickstarter then I'm sure you and I will have everything we wanted out of the game. I would much rather have him try than do the same failed practices as so many other sandbox mmo's on the market, atleast he's trying all options.

 

Waiting on the "yeah, well it's been two years post".

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