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General Discussion  » Why is Everyone who purchased the game, so upset with FTP?

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  LhynnSaint

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Joined: 5/27/11
Posts: 122

11/17/12 12:28:42 PM#41
Originally posted by Whitebeards
Originally posted by LhynnSaint
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
+10

It is amazing that people who trash this game and say every day that thay won't be playing it anyway, are complaining about F2P model. Indeed why do you care? Move on!!!!

 

Oh, dont get us wrong, we complain because if we dont some poor sods are going to download the game, try it, feel cheated and leave dissapointed, like most of us did. you see, we are helping people out here, saving them time, broadband, etc. What i dont get, is Why do you care? is posting here more entertaining than playing the game for you? :3

Besides, i got time to kill while i download RaiderZ (a game that is better as F2P than swotor will ever be as a sub).

So there, fuck EA, fuck Bioware, fuck Zynga.

Feel cheated of what? a game that is free to downnload and try? yes i say try because it is nothing more than a free trial. 

You are helping others, lol what BS!

Stop treating 'these' people like some idiots who can not even decide for themselves what they like or dislike. 

Just helping them make an informed decision mate. and the game is not free to try, its free to suffer. because its not that its a free trial (after all, you get to do almost 95% of the content) its that the game punishes you for trying :3

No sprint (dont tell me the BS of getting it by lvl 15, the maps are so big that by level 10 youll want to kill yourself), increased costs at shops, decreased exp so that you have to grind for your story, limited loot, and constant reminders that if you just open your wallet, everything can go away, in your inventory, in your character screen, in your companion screen, every time you complete a quest, every time you want to use the general chat, a BIG FLASHING YELLOW DOT (wich you cant make go away), instead of an option in the menu or something. Im amazed they dont make you pay for the advanced classes.

  ChaulsinNL

Novice Member

Joined: 8/26/05
Posts: 182

11/17/12 12:29:15 PM#42
Thought the game would be a no-brainer. With that budget how can you screw up Star Wars? Then they did.... Now the introduce f2p and again.... they screw it up. I don't know what idiots are holding the steering wheel of that ship.
  tawess

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Joined: 3/24/05
Posts: 2096

11/17/12 12:33:44 PM#43
Originally posted by LhynnSaint
Originally posted by Whitebeards
Originally posted by LhynnSaint
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
+10

It is amazing that people who trash this game and say every day that thay won't be playing it anyway, are complaining about F2P model. Indeed why do you care? Move on!!!!

 

Oh, dont get us wrong, we complain because if we dont some poor sods are going to download the game, try it, feel cheated and leave dissapointed, like most of us did. you see, we are helping people out here, saving them time, broadband, etc. What i dont get, is Why do you care? is posting here more entertaining than playing the game for you? :3

Besides, i got time to kill while i download RaiderZ (a game that is better as F2P than swotor will ever be as a sub).

So there, fuck EA, fuck Bioware, fuck Zynga.

Feel cheated of what? a game that is free to downnload and try? yes i say try because it is nothing more than a free trial. 

You are helping others, lol what BS!

Stop treating 'these' people like some idiots who can not even decide for themselves what they like or dislike. 

Just helping them make an informed decision mate. and the game is not free to try, its free to suffer. because its not that its a free trial (after all, you get to do almost 95% of the content) its that the game punishes you for trying :3

No sprint (dont tell me the BS of getting it by lvl 15, the maps are so big that by level 10 youll want to kill yourself), increased costs at shops, decreased exp so that you have to grind for your story, limited loot, and constant reminders that if you just open your wallet, everything can go away, in your inventory, in your character screen, in your companion screen, every time you complete a quest, every time you want to use the general chat, a BIG FLASHING YELLOW DOT (wich you cant make go away), instead of an option in the menu or something. Im amazed they dont make you pay for the advanced classes.

Well the thing is they people you are trying to reach are not here.. nor will they ever be here so unless you spend a lot of time each day rumping around god knows how many forums + do public speeches and post on the bog that is social media you are not really helping anyone.

 

And if you do all that... .. . I think you should get help because it is not healthy to have such a fixation.

Tomas Soapbox

This have been a good conversation

  emota

Advanced Member

Joined: 9/16/07
Posts: 347

11/17/12 12:36:54 PM#44
Biggest mmo joke of the last Decade, SWTOR is horrible. Keep your ftp nonsense.
  LhynnSaint

Novice Member

Joined: 5/27/11
Posts: 122

11/17/12 12:37:02 PM#45
Originally posted by tawess
Originally posted by LhynnSaint
Originally posted by Whitebeards
Originally posted by LhynnSaint
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
+10

It is amazing that people who trash this game and say every day that thay won't be playing it anyway, are complaining about F2P model. Indeed why do you care? Move on!!!!

 

Oh, dont get us wrong, we complain because if we dont some poor sods are going to download the game, try it, feel cheated and leave dissapointed, like most of us did. you see, we are helping people out here, saving them time, broadband, etc. What i dont get, is Why do you care? is posting here more entertaining than playing the game for you? :3

Besides, i got time to kill while i download RaiderZ (a game that is better as F2P than swotor will ever be as a sub).

So there, fuck EA, fuck Bioware, fuck Zynga.

Feel cheated of what? a game that is free to downnload and try? yes i say try because it is nothing more than a free trial. 

You are helping others, lol what BS!

Stop treating 'these' people like some idiots who can not even decide for themselves what they like or dislike. 

Just helping them make an informed decision mate. and the game is not free to try, its free to suffer. because its not that its a free trial (after all, you get to do almost 95% of the content) its that the game punishes you for trying :3

No sprint (dont tell me the BS of getting it by lvl 15, the maps are so big that by level 10 youll want to kill yourself), increased costs at shops, decreased exp so that you have to grind for your story, limited loot, and constant reminders that if you just open your wallet, everything can go away, in your inventory, in your character screen, in your companion screen, every time you complete a quest, every time you want to use the general chat, a BIG FLASHING YELLOW DOT (wich you cant make go away), instead of an option in the menu or something. Im amazed they dont make you pay for the advanced classes.

Well the thing is they people you are trying to reach are not here.. nor will they ever be here so unless you spend a lot of time each day rumping around god knows how many forums + do public speeches and post on the bog that is social media you are not really helping anyone.

 

And if you do all that... .. . I think you should get help because it is not healthy to have such a fixation.

As i said, got some time to kill before RaiderZ is downloaded, and nay friend, there have been more than a few people downloading the game and checking out the forums here, and have pushed the stop button and moved on with their lives after reading up a bit and seeing that its not for them, that its not for anyone.

I am grateful however, that you care about my health.

  Burntvet

Elite Member

Joined: 11/16/07
Posts: 2791

11/17/12 12:41:55 PM#46

Far more people were upset that the game was bad. (Or at best, not worth the sub fee)

I would argue that very few people care about a bad F2P/freemium conversion of a game that was not particularly good to begin with.

In other words, the whole thing gets a big "Who Cares?".

 

  nollo

Apprentice Member

Joined: 11/07/12
Posts: 5

11/17/12 12:54:22 PM#47

I just laugh when i think of the word "Content" and then SWTOR , You cant even level anywhere but the same planet every single playthrough on all your characters. The same planets for the same levels, same quest lines with 1 Character story variant. 

Did the generation of MMO players come out of a box and into a line and then back in the box? Are we so conditioned to not explore the off beaten path? Do we need our hands held? 

I left SWTOR after 1 month because the options for exploration of a Galaxy, were laughable. 

On Vanguard for example, I have over 20 Options of Story Driven Dungoens in the lvl 15- 20 Range, 10 people can get lvl 20 in 50 different ways, different zones, different Gear, Different stories. And meet together in a lvl 30 Dungoen and go Wow you look SO different then ME! lets get more stuff together woot!

 

Instead in SWTOR you got 1 hub, with crap ass missions that get repeated and washed down, You got players who Dont give a flyin dog vomit about your situation. Finish my quest, Move on, Peace, Group finder me please!

Screw these kind of MMOs, killed a great IP in Star wars, And EA is the saddest group of Corporate money grabbers ( You will see 3 Call of Duties a year now, Money off Guns forever! Pew pew stupid brains) 

 

Stop wasting your time on a such a lack of design and content, Enjoy your single player story mission as a single player game. And hope any MMO in the future is designed with CONTENT that forces people to CHOOSE PATHS, im not talking 1 decision in a quest, Im talking Whether im conquering this tower of cyclopses at lvl 18, or this Dungoen of Gnolls at 18, or this Floating Castle at 18, Who am I going with~ etc etc, Get a game that builds community ( Everquest etc. ) 

 

Oh and im not upset with FTP! I am sad for anyone who plays it and then Subs to a Ghost ship. 

 

 

  tawess

Elite Member

Joined: 3/24/05
Posts: 2096

11/17/12 12:57:39 PM#48

If you say so Saint.. if you say so.

 

That does not change the fact that a good potion of the people complaning here do it either by habit or because they had some unrealistic expectations on what they could expect form the F2P option. Not saying i particularly understand some of the QoL stuff they locked away but compared to games like NeedForSpeed World (another of EA's f2p games) this one is a model of fair treatment for it's f2p players.

 

 

edit: But Nollo you know what... SWTOR at least HAD a playerbase at one time unlike Vanguard who to be honest never got of the ground.. And have a even more asanine F2P scheme. And from my time playing that game i think the story.. linear as it is beats any so called story in Vanguard. But then it is hard to compare a sk sandbox to a themepark game.

Tomas Soapbox

This have been a good conversation

  tiefighter25

Novice Member

Joined: 7/30/12
Posts: 949

11/17/12 2:12:17 PM#49
I believe I'm entitled to believe that entitled is the most overused, and mostly incorrectly,  word in the English language in recent memory.
  XeoMatrix00

Novice Member

Joined: 8/25/12
Posts: 42

11/17/12 2:14:40 PM#50
Originally posted by LhynnSaint
Originally posted by Whitebeards
Originally posted by LhynnSaint
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
+10

It is amazing that people who trash this game and say every day that thay won't be playing it anyway, are complaining about F2P model. Indeed why do you care? Move on!!!!

 

Oh, dont get us wrong, we complain because if we dont some poor sods are going to download the game, try it, feel cheated and leave dissapointed, like most of us did. you see, we are helping people out here, saving them time, broadband, etc. What i dont get, is Why do you care? is posting here more entertaining than playing the game for you? :3

Besides, i got time to kill while i download RaiderZ (a game that is better as F2P than swotor will ever be as a sub).

So there, fuck EA, fuck Bioware, fuck Zynga.

Feel cheated of what? a game that is free to downnload and try? yes i say try because it is nothing more than a free trial. 

You are helping others, lol what BS!

Stop treating 'these' people like some idiots who can not even decide for themselves what they like or dislike. 

Just helping them make an informed decision mate. and the game is not free to try, its free to suffer. because its not that its a free trial (after all, you get to do almost 95% of the content) its that the game punishes you for trying :3

No sprint (dont tell me the BS of getting it by lvl 15, the maps are so big that by level 10 youll want to kill yourself), increased costs at shops, decreased exp so that you have to grind for your story, limited loot, and constant reminders that if you just open your wallet, everything can go away, in your inventory, in your character screen, in your companion screen, every time you complete a quest, every time you want to use the general chat, a BIG FLASHING YELLOW DOT (wich you cant make go away), instead of an option in the menu or something. Im amazed they dont make you pay for the advanced classes.

For the ppl that still think this game is wtill worth it with this F2P model are just in denial. Come if this was suppose to be a F2P there shouldnt be so many stupid restrictions. Bioware should follow models like GW2 as least. Buy the box and put in a cash shop for example. You cannot provide enough evidence to prove us wrong. I dont mind buying the box and play F2P, hell thats what i did for GW2, I even spend some money in the cash shop. Is just plain stupid for you have to pay for a second or third quick bar, that you have to pay to do the operations. I repeat and you cannot argue this point. This is NOT a F2P this is a Free Trial Extended. You enjoy the game than sub, but you will see that 8/10 players agree with me. Im not forcing you to agree, im showing you that your opinion is the minoroty. Why I want the game to be a real F2P simply enough this game is not worth the 15$ this game would be great with a real F2P model. 

  RavingRabbid

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Joined: 10/11/09
Posts: 1133

Remember Rabbids cant play MMO's, but they can dance!

11/17/12 2:16:16 PM#51
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Why would I be upset about F2P. I am getting my free CC every month, my sub value got lowered to below $8 if you add CC into equation.  I love the cartel packs LOL. And it is great to see lot of newbies in game. I am often just going to lower planets to help folks.

Now that they are done with F2P BioWare can focus on what they should - adding more content to game. That's what will make all SWTOR fans the happiest.

 

Edit. I know that folks who purchased a game and stopped to play are upset, they think they are entitled to play at subscriber level for free.  If we follow this line of thoughts - all subscribers would quit and play F2P - Am I wrong?

Double Plunger salute!!!

All my opinions are just that..opinions. If you like my opinions..coolness.If you dont like my opinion....I really dont care.
Playing: SWTOR, Marvel Heroes and WOT.

  XeoMatrix00

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Joined: 8/25/12
Posts: 42

11/17/12 2:22:06 PM#52
Originally posted by RavingRabbid
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Why would I be upset about F2P. I am getting my free CC every month, my sub value got lowered to below $8 if you add CC into equation.  I love the cartel packs LOL. And it is great to see lot of newbies in game. I am often just going to lower planets to help folks.

Now that they are done with F2P BioWare can focus on what they should - adding more content to game. That's what will make all SWTOR fans the happiest.

 

Edit. I know that folks who purchased a game and stopped to play are upset, they think they are entitled to play at subscriber level for free.  If we follow this line of thoughts - all subscribers would quit and play F2P - Am I wrong?

Double Plunger salute!!!

2+ Ppl in denial :)

  negativf4kk

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Joined: 6/25/12
Posts: 374

11/17/12 2:24:45 PM#53

lots of people upset with F2P, cause of their frustration with EAware. They still can understant how u can take SW and make it piece of sh*#t. 

EAware on other hand doing better, and better in buring their reputation in MMO below the ground lvl.

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  SuprGamerX

Apprentice Member

Joined: 1/05/09
Posts: 538

11/17/12 2:27:45 PM#54
This goes for any F2P MMO , once a MMO goes F2P , service , quality , updates goes out the window. Devs care a lot less on how people feel about the game , because let's face it , since the game is free , if you're mad about it , then GTFO. That's the mentality F2P brings to a community. And speaking of communities , F2P ruins a game community.  I'm a P2P supporter for life~!   EVE-Online baby~!!!!
  Vunak23

Novice Member

Joined: 11/27/10
Posts: 660

In your house Eatin' your Cookies!

11/17/12 2:27:49 PM#55

The goal of them going F2P was to bring back older players that left due to disinterest or as EA likes to say "It wasn't worth the subcost". Yet they set up a F2P model that will nickle and dime you worse than ANY other F2P model on the market right now. Even worse than say Perfect World. You still have to pay $4.99/month to get the things that should be part of the F2P model anyway at no cost. Action Bars, Helmet Hiding, Fast Travel.... 

This is the greediest implementation of a F2P model ever... On Principal alone I will not play this game ever again. 

"In the immediate future, we have this one, and then we’ve got another one that is actually going to be – so we’re going to have, what we want to do, is in January, what we’re targeting to do, this may or may not happen, so you can’t hold me to it. But what we’re targeting to do, is have a fun anniversary to the Ilum shenanigans that happened. An alien race might invade, and they might crash into Ilum and there might be some new activities that happen on the planet." ~Gabe Amatangelo

  waynejr2

Elite Member

Joined: 4/12/11
Posts: 3805

RIP City of Heroes!

11/17/12 2:37:23 PM#56
Originally posted by XeoMatrix00

1. The game is crap, what a waste of the Star Wars History

2. The game is not good enough to deserve a sub of 15$

3. This is not F2P this is a Freemium'

4. This supposed F2P is not fair for ppl that purshase the game, thank god i didnt buy the CE.

5. Did I mentioned the game is crap.

6. If they had a real F2P design, just maybe it would have a chance, right now it will go the recycle bin.

 

 

 #4: how is it not fair?  Didn't the people who purchased the box get their one month free service?

  zerocount

Hard Core Member

Joined: 5/20/04
Posts: 144

11/17/12 2:43:54 PM#57
I got the CE version, I don't feel robbed at all.  I played for a couple of months and found the game lacking.  I still have the CE statue up though!
  FrodoFragins

Advanced Member

Joined: 4/29/10
Posts: 2784

11/17/12 2:45:31 PM#58

1) I regretted buying the game  before the first month was over - would not have felt this way if it was B2P

2) I think charging for full UI functionality is the epitome of greed - I won't support that

3) I think forcing people to sub this month to get rewards they earned is also excessively greedy and petty.  It fails to properly thank those that bought the game for $60+ and subbed.

4) They still haven't addressed the reason why people didn't want to subscribe - yet their model pushes people to subscribe or leave

 

I would only subscribe if they added amazing multiplayer space combat.  I would consider paying to unlock character slots per server if it was a buck or two per slot.  I won't spend any money as long as they gimp my UI.

 

If I play, I will just level alts until the UI gets in the way.  I can still experience most of the stories, I'll just have to do it on different servers.

 

 

  Heretique

Advanced Member

Joined: 2/02/07
Posts: 989

Most of my posts get deleted.

11/17/12 2:51:20 PM#59
It's just another EA Cash Grab that suckers people into putting more money into the EA Machine, business is business but what EA practices is disgusting.

Originally posted by salsa41
are you have problem ?

  Sovrath

Elite Member

Joined: 1/06/05
Posts: 17532

11/17/12 2:53:54 PM#60

I'm not. good for them if they can figure out a way to get more income. Whether it works or not is a "we'll see" scenario.

I might even sub again for a bit.

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