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  Vesavius

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11/16/12 6:34:48 AM#41
Originally posted by Talgen
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by Talgen
Yeah but if you have a problem, dont expect customer service to try and help you.. go read that FAQ and hope to god that there is an answer.. lol...   so... 'you can play, but we dont care about you unless you give us money'

 

Well, in all fairness, why should they? You are not a customer yet after all.

They are already allowing you into their shop and giving you a free sample... what more do you really want? Handjobs?

 

Wow, how....mature.... . .. .. .

But (based on your scenario) don't ask what the free sample is right?  Cause they gave us one, that's good enough.  We don't have the right to know what it is or why it's a free sample, huh?

 

/shrug... mature is usually overrated.

Look... You have no rights but what they chose to give you. They don't owe you anything. You are not a customer and they have no contract with you.

sheesh... you freelaoders that think you have the right to complain about not being given enough make my head spin.

 

  Panthien

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11/16/12 6:37:25 AM#42
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by Panthien
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by Panthien
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by Aethaeryn
I assume prefered means having spent any amount of money?  I love that free to play can't even sprint :)

 

 

While I have no sympathy for dedicated freeloaders in this hobby in general (c'mon guys... it's an enjoyable hobby you spend a LOT of time in... cough up a little at least??), locking sprint of is as funny as hell.

What were they thinking?

If you bothered to actually DO look you would have noticed , you can train skill (for ingame currency) at lvl 15, like the game originally was released.

 

You are missing the point, or maybe (probably) I wasn't clear on it.

Showing this locked off, amongst other things, in this list is a PR disaster as far as this conversion goes.

First thing most people will look at (because, lets be honest most will not read deeper and will just laugh at the list) is what will shape their decision whether to return or not.

EA have given a terrible first impression to a whole load of people. Like I say... what were they thinking? 

Im definately not missing the point, people complain you cant use X or Y without paying RL money! Which quite frequently isnt true.

The list shows everything but I agree its unclear because you have to mouse over the check boxes to get a small window to pop up to tell what the restriction actually is. And yes you are absolutely right the list IS a PR nightmare. people glance over the list and jump to conclutions. Having to mouse over check boxes makes things very unclear and user unfriendly.

Using Sprint as excample they should have made it :

feature : sub : pref : free

Spring : lvl 1 : lvl 1 : lvl 15

 

I think maybe here, again, you have... you just think you haven't. Maybe you are just too deep into 'defend' mode to see it right now.

I am not disputing what is 'true' or not. I am saying that list gives a horrendous first impression to which a lot of people will just laugh at and say 'fuck that' as they walk away.

It's terrible PR. That's all I am really saying.

And I fully agree the way they formed the list does give a horid first impression. Its very understandeble that people asume when they see an unchecked box it means they dont get access to that feature, knowing how Swtor's site always loved the mouse overpop up window, I figured I had to mouse over to see what it actually means.

Its very user unfriendly.

  wireded21

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11/16/12 6:38:44 AM#43

I have to agree.

If you didn't like SWTOR originally you didn't buy it.

If you don't like F2P SWTOR then don't play it.

I only have 1 gripe, the people who paid up front for the game and gotten a rough deal out of F2P, even preferred status is a bit rough. Having said that, until F2P I couldn't log in at all as I wasn't paying a sub, now at least I can check it out again.

  sumdumguy1

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11/16/12 6:39:49 AM#44
Originally posted by SuperXero89

How long will it take them to remove the hotbar restriction?  My level 50 is unplayable because of this.  

 

 Same issue here, My level 50 is also unplayable because of the new restrictions.  I tried to play a lower level I got to 10 but I was quickly reminded why I left the game.  I am going to wait a few days log on again, then make a final determination

  Robokapp

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11/16/12 6:41:56 AM#45
Originally posted by Vesavius

sheesh... you freelaoders that think you have the right to complain about not being given enough make my head spin.

 

It's free to play so they play for free. what's cofusing about that? Isn't that what it's called?

 

they only come to the game for the "free" part so why'd they pay in a free to play ever?

  charlizd

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11/16/12 6:54:38 AM#46
that is disgusting. do they even play MMO's over there? do they not look at other F2P models? obviously seeing they lost shitloads of subs meant nothing to them, this will not bring people back, it will make people laugh even harder as they are walking away lol

  hikaru77

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11/16/12 6:58:18 AM#47
Free 2 play game is a Myth. At some point is like people want the same things that a P2P player, it wont happen. Same deal with Lotro or AoC, if you dont pay, you cant really play the game.
  charlizd

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11/16/12 7:02:36 AM#48
Originally posted by hikaru77
Free 2 play game is a Myth. At some point is like people want the same things that a P2P player, it wont happen. Same deal with Lotro or AoC, if you dont pay, you cant really play the game.

Yes i agree but seriously this F2P model is a joke, you get 10x more features in AoC and LoTRO than you do this, Look at Aion and L2 F2P you have full access, no restrictions what so ever.

The idea of this move was to bring people back not push them away and i think they killed it in the scaring people off department :)

  Vesavius

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11/16/12 7:06:30 AM#49
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Vesavius

sheesh... you freelaoders that think you have the right to complain about not being given enough make my head spin.

It's free to play so they play for free. what's cofusing about that? Isn't that what it's called?

they only come to the game for the "free" part so why'd they pay in a free to play ever?

 

Because life is gonna be pretty rough for someone that takes every word and phrase they encounter 100% literally. 

Look, I don't support the F2P model at all, I am 100% pro sub, but I do accept as a reasonable human being that the care I recieve off a company is usually in line with what I pay them in one way or another. In this case the dedicated freeloaders pay nothing and yet still expect to be treated like they were valuable customers.

Thats what makes my head spin :/

  Whitebeards

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11/16/12 7:26:22 AM#50
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Vesavius

sheesh... you freelaoders that think you have the right to complain about not being given enough make my head spin.

 

It's free to play so they play for free. what's cofusing about that? Isn't that what it's called?

 

they only come to the game for the "free" part so why'd they pay in a free to play ever?

And you actually believe that? like i said in earlier post. Maybe i give too much credit to folks around here and thought that maybe they will be smart enough to realize that F2P is just a gimmick and more like an extended trial.

The 'free' part is still there but it is limited and works like a trial.

 

  User Deleted
11/16/12 7:50:27 AM#51
Originally posted by hikaru77
Free 2 play game is a Myth. At some point is like people want the same things that a P2P player, it wont happen. Same deal with Lotro or AoC, if you dont pay, you cant really play the game.

WRONG.

You can play LOTRO completely free.

Its only true F2P game (along DDO) out of these "freemiums".

Learn that once and for all.

AND

If F2P is a myth DONT advertise it as such and the sulk over people laughing at free trial to 50 you have.

  User Deleted
11/16/12 7:55:39 AM#52
i dont see anything wrong with it  or the game . i will buy subscription next month 
  User Deleted
11/16/12 7:57:38 AM#53
Originally posted by Whitebeards
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Vesavius

sheesh... you freelaoders that think you have the right to complain about not being given enough make my head spin.

 

It's free to play so they play for free. what's cofusing about that? Isn't that what it's called?

 

they only come to the game for the "free" part so why'd they pay in a free to play ever?

And you actually believe that? like i said in earlier post. Maybe i give too much credit to folks around here and thought that maybe they will be smart enough to realize that F2P is just a gimmick and more like an extended trial.

The 'free' part is still there but it is limited and works like a trial.

 

games are business .they are not welfare companies .people need to take that into mind 

  casual187

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11/16/12 9:33:46 AM#54
Originally posted by mnwild1998
How many post can we have about haters/trol!$ whinning and crying that this is not Freebies and Handouts 2 play. Its unreal the lazieness and entitlement some people have.

I know right. I remember paying for internet by the minute and a sub on top of that. todays mmo players have it so good they just dont know.

  GwapoJosh

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11/16/12 9:42:01 AM#55
Originally posted by Whitebeards
Originally posted by Talgen
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by Talgen
Yeah but if you have a problem, dont expect customer service to try and help you.. go read that FAQ and hope to god that there is an answer.. lol...   so... 'you can play, but we dont care about you unless you give us money'

 

Well, in all fairness, why should they? You are not a customer yet after all.

They are already allowing you into their shop and giving you a free sample... what more do you really want? Handjobs?

 

Wow, how....mature.... . .. .. .

But (based on your scenario) don't ask what the free sample is right?  Cause they gave us one, that's good enough.  We don't have the right to know what it is or why it's a free sample, huh?

Just pay 15 bucks a month if you really want to play. I say this every time..F2P is just a gimmick and yet people complain everytime a F2P model is launched. I thought players would be more smart by now and realise that.

No point complaining about this, because first of all it is EA and nothing is going to change. 

It's "I thought players would be smarter by now".  If you are going to make fun of someone's intelligence, at least write your sentence properly so you don't sound stupid..

"You are all going to poop yourselves." BillMurphy

  Gardavsshade

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11/16/12 10:02:06 AM#56
Originally posted by nolic1

http://www.swtor.com/free/features

Have a look for you self and decide.

I did. As a former Player last year I was curious.

Ouch.

I understand F2P needs restrictions to encourage and entice Players to go Subscription but some of the restrictions are too tight. Most of the restrictions are reasonable but a couple have me worried...

... No BankVault / Cargo Hold at all for F2P? Really? That combined with the reduced Inventory will piss off so many potential customers it's frightening....

... Several restrictions to Chat? Why do Devs think this a good idea.... it's a MMORPG for god's sake.... Players need to be able to talk and ask questions, how are Vets (subscribers) going to talk these Players into going Subscription if the F2P can't talk back? EA Bioware just lost a free Subscription Sales department right there...

oh WAIT... it's not a MMO, it's an "Interactive Video Game", so no communication is really necessary, sorry my mistake....

Those are the two biggies I saw as I read through the list. These two restrictions alone I am guessing will lose HALF of the potential customers EA BioWare was hoping to gain.

Now I was and still am upset about the botched job that is SWTOR, but if I was to return I would go Subscription all the way, HOWEVER what good is a F2P MMO that scares away the F2P with restrictions too tight? What kind of community will it have? How good will be the Population?

After reading the matrix I fear the answers to my questions won't be positive ones. EA BioWare needs to lossen up the restrictions a bit or this experiment is gonna blow up in their face like a badly timed grenade.

The Carrot has to look good, and smell good, and be just a little bit beyond reach to be tempting. SWTOR's carrot is too far away to be all that tempting.

  eldaris

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11/16/12 10:35:52 AM#57


Originally posted by mikahr

Originally posted by hikaru77 Free 2 play game is a Myth. At some point is like people want the same things that a P2P player, it wont happen. Same deal with Lotro or AoC, if you dont pay, you cant really play the game.
WRONG.

You can play LOTRO completely free.

Its only true F2P game (along DDO) out of these "freemiums".

Learn that once and for all.

AND

If F2P is a myth DONT advertise it as such and the sulk over people laughing at free trial to 50 you have.


True,I played lotr and it was quite possible to play f2p.I had bought the game when it was launched but stop playing after a time and when I returned I was able to play quite well and also buy a few things from turbine shop with points I gained while leveling and doing deeds.
Same with eq2 where I made a new account specially for f2p,only money I payed in the beginning were 5$ to get silver pack and as a non raider that was quite decent .In the end I spent more money but on cosmetic items and pets so with f2p eq2 gained more money from me than it would have get while it was a subscription game.
I was planning to try swtor for the story part mostly and maybe some pvp but the restrictions are too much and it seems there is not even a way to pay once for no limits pvp,you have to buy the pack every week.Not f2p is the problem ,EA way of thinking is.Better just wait for Christmas sales and you can get much better single player rpgs for a few $ than to support EA,even if you play the stories for free you are still helping EA to twist numbers about how successful the game is.

  Zefire

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11/16/12 10:39:54 AM#58
Originally posted by Jonoku
Originally posted by cybersrs
Why is it called Free to Play?

To try to get people's attention. its more like limited to play.

I would say it's made to jerk people.Guess what the only jerk here is bioware and ea.Not a chance to fall for the same shit again.

  DeaconX

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11/16/12 11:50:00 AM#59

Nice list of restrictions to ensure people aren't getting social or too invested in the game during their free-to-play.

Sadly, SWTOR continues to be full of fail.

 

 

I would LOVE if disney just shut SWTOR down ... and decided to make a new SWMMO that isn't designed or run by old timers who are completely out of touch


Why do I write, create, fantasize, dream and daydream about other worlds? Because I hate what humanity does with this one.

BOYCOTTING EA / ORIGIN going forward.

  Whitebeards

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11/16/12 11:55:59 AM#60
Originally posted by GwapoJosh
Originally posted by Whitebeards
Originally posted by Talgen
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by Talgen
Yeah but if you have a problem, dont expect customer service to try and help you.. go read that FAQ and hope to god that there is an answer.. lol...   so... 'you can play, but we dont care about you unless you give us money'

 

Well, in all fairness, why should they? You are not a customer yet after all.

They are already allowing you into their shop and giving you a free sample... what more do you really want? Handjobs?

 

Wow, how....mature.... . .. .. .

But (based on your scenario) don't ask what the free sample is right?  Cause they gave us one, that's good enough.  We don't have the right to know what it is or why it's a free sample, huh?

Just pay 15 bucks a month if you really want to play. I say this every time..F2P is just a gimmick and yet people complain everytime a F2P model is launched. I thought players would be more smart by now and realise that.

No point complaining about this, because first of all it is EA and nothing is going to change. 

It's "I thought players would be smarter by now".  If you are going to make fun of someone's intelligence, at least write your sentence properly so you don't sound stupid..

English is not my first language. But i think i do quite well for someone whose mother tounge is Japanese and can also write, talk and speak French and Spanish to respectable levels. 

Moreover, by 'being smarter' i meant the ability to recognise tit is nothing more than an extended trial. It false advertising nothing more.

I never said anything about someone's grammatical and spelling prowess. One can write a sentence in perfect grammar and can still be an idiot.

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