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  Dreamo84

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11/13/12 11:36:19 PM#41
Originally posted by Lukain
Originally posted by Fendel84M

I'm actually looking forward to getting a touchscreen monitor on my next gaming rig sometime next year.

I would hate to have to use a Touch screen  I don't want to spend hours playing game on a monitor  that has to be in arms length , I have short arms  so  it would be be great for my eyes to sit 2 feet from a 27inch monitor

 

 

You don't HAVE to use a touch screen...the mouse still works. but for some stuff you can use it if you want. Also you would obviously position yourself differently at your desk rather than stretching out your arms.

I don't know why everyone thinks they are being forced into touch screen.

mmm...side note, imagine an ultra thin wireless monitor. You could just detatch your monitor and bring it to the couch with you and have your desktop as a tablet in your hands....sexy.

  Draron

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11/13/12 11:37:51 PM#42
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by Draron
Originally posted by Waybackwhen
Originally posted by Draron
Originally posted by Waybackwhen

This. Forcing people to buy WIndows 8 if you are a pc user. They know eventually you will need to upgrade. 

Not supporting a version of Direct X that a very small portion of games would actually use isn't forcing people to buy Windows 8. Windows 7 is going to be officially supported by Microsoft for years now, it's not like they're shoving anyone off the cliff.

Yeah but from a gamer's perspective we will want the DX11 upgrades and Microsoft knows that.

Windows 7 has DX 11. We're not even sure what DX 11.1 is gonna bring exactly anyways. It won't be a big jump as it's just a numberical upgrade.

To the contrary, we do know what DirectX 11.1 brings.  Microsoft will tell you here:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/hh404562(v=vs.85).aspx

In case you don't understand what any of that means, it's some minor technical improvements and nothing more.

Ah, yeah I read over some of that and couldn't make sense out of most of it heheh. Even less of a reason for people to get worked up over it then.

  snapfusion

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11/13/12 11:39:28 PM#43
Originally posted by VassagoMael
How dare a company expect people to use their new products! This would be like an mmo no longer updating old content after an expansion comes out in order to encourage player to buy the expansion...oh wait...

You dont get it Vassa, its not a free upgrade.  How about you buy a new car then the next year you go to service it the dealer says they dont work on it anymore and you have to buy a new car....oh wait you dont have to worry about that do you.  Thank god most other industries dont have the monolistic approach to business that Microsoft has.

  Torvaldr

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11/13/12 11:40:26 PM#44
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by Draron
Originally posted by Waybackwhen
Originally posted by Draron
Originally posted by Waybackwhen

This. Forcing people to buy WIndows 8 if you are a pc user. They know eventually you will need to upgrade. 

Not supporting a version of Direct X that a very small portion of games would actually use isn't forcing people to buy Windows 8. Windows 7 is going to be officially supported by Microsoft for years now, it's not like they're shoving anyone off the cliff.

Yeah but from a gamer's perspective we will want the DX11 upgrades and Microsoft knows that.

Windows 7 has DX 11. We're not even sure what DX 11.1 is gonna bring exactly anyways. It won't be a big jump as it's just a numberical upgrade.

To the contrary, we do know what DirectX 11.1 brings.  Microsoft will tell you here:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/hh404562(v=vs.85).aspx

In case you don't understand what any of that means, it's some minor technical improvements and nothing more.

When you look at it in the perspective that most mmos, if not most pc games, are DX9 or DX10 compatible then the fud makes no sense at all.  Did anyone upgrade to Win7 for DX10.1?

I think a mind wipe so people could play an mmo like it was their first time again, would be easier to build than a new mmo people here would actually like. - DamonVile

  snapfusion

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11/13/12 11:40:43 PM#45
Originally posted by Fendel84M
Originally posted by Lukain
Originally posted by Fendel84M

I'm actually looking forward to getting a touchscreen monitor on my next gaming rig sometime next year.

I would hate to have to use a Touch screen  I don't want to spend hours playing game on a monitor  that has to be in arms length , I have short arms  so  it would be be great for my eyes to sit 2 feet from a 27inch monitor

 

 

You don't HAVE to use a touch screen...the mouse still works. but for some stuff you can use it if you want. Also you would obviously position yourself differently at your desk rather than stretching out your arms.

I don't know why everyone thinks they are being forced into touch screen.

mmm...side note, imagine an ultra thin wireless monitor. You could just detatch your monitor and bring it to the couch with you and have your desktop as a tablet in your hands....sexy.

I pretty much go out of my way to keep peoples greasy finger prints off my monitor, but here I see people talking about how cool its going to be to smuge up their monitors, mind blowing.

  Robokapp

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11/13/12 11:40:51 PM#46

no intention of switching. I'll skip past win 8 and onto next ecent one when/if ever my windows falls behind.

 

i'm yet to need to upate a computer because of windows. usually they go *poof* before windows becomes outdated.

 

I'm typing this on my vista laptop. my desktop has win 7. both serve me fine atm.

 

edit: unless Quizzical tells me to. He built my desktop last year. <3

 

 

  Torvaldr

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11/13/12 11:41:48 PM#47
Originally posted by snapfusion
Originally posted by VassagoMael
How dare a company expect people to use their new products! This would be like an mmo no longer updating old content after an expansion comes out in order to encourage player to buy the expansion...oh wait...

You dont get it Vassa, its not a free upgrade.  How about you buy a new car then the next year you go to service it the dealer says they dont work on it anymore and you have to buy a new car....oh wait you dont have to worry about that do you.  Thank god most other industries dont have the monolistic approach to business that Microsoft has.

Thank god this automaker gave me 5 free vehicles and sold me two more for $15 each.

I think a mind wipe so people could play an mmo like it was their first time again, would be easier to build than a new mmo people here would actually like. - DamonVile

  Draron

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11/13/12 11:42:56 PM#48
Originally posted by snapfusion
Originally posted by VassagoMael
How dare a company expect people to use their new products! This would be like an mmo no longer updating old content after an expansion comes out in order to encourage player to buy the expansion...oh wait...

You dont get it Vassa, its not a free upgrade.  How about you buy a new car then the next year you go to service it the dealer says they dont work on it anymore and you have to buy a new car....oh wait you dont have to worry about that do you.  Thank god most other industries dont have the monolistic approach to business that Microsoft has.

What's the difference between that and upgrading your hardware to play newer games?

  Siveria

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11/13/12 11:54:25 PM#49
I wouldn't worry really, most games use dx 9 still anyway. I don't know much about win8 other than its been called the new WinME and we all remember how shitty winME was back in the day. Also the general consumer doesn't even like win8 on a tablet like it was designed for due to how assbackwards it is to use compared to an Ipad and such.

Being a pessimist is a win-win pattern of thinking. If you're a pessimist (I'll admit that I am!) you're either:

A. Proven right (if something bad happens)

or

B. Pleasantly surprised (if something good happens)

Either way, you can't lose! Try it out sometime!

  Quizzical

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11/13/12 11:57:44 PM#50
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by Draron
Originally posted by Waybackwhen
Originally posted by Draron
Originally posted by Waybackwhen

This. Forcing people to buy WIndows 8 if you are a pc user. They know eventually you will need to upgrade. 

Not supporting a version of Direct X that a very small portion of games would actually use isn't forcing people to buy Windows 8. Windows 7 is going to be officially supported by Microsoft for years now, it's not like they're shoving anyone off the cliff.

Yeah but from a gamer's perspective we will want the DX11 upgrades and Microsoft knows that.

Windows 7 has DX 11. We're not even sure what DX 11.1 is gonna bring exactly anyways. It won't be a big jump as it's just a numberical upgrade.

To the contrary, we do know what DirectX 11.1 brings.  Microsoft will tell you here:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/hh404562(v=vs.85).aspx

In case you don't understand what any of that means, it's some minor technical improvements and nothing more.

When you look at it in the perspective that most mmos, if not most pc games, are DX9 or DX10 compatible then the fud makes no sense at all.  Did anyone upgrade to Win7 for DX10.1?

DirectX 10.1 was released long before Windows 7.  AMD cards all the way back to the Radeon HD 3000 series support it.

You may have meant DirectX 11 rather than 10.1, as 11 is what launched with Windows 7.  Unlike 10.1 or 11.1, DirectX 11 brought some major new features and was a big deal.  So you know what Microsoft did about it?  They ported it back to Vista.  They didn't port it back to Windows XP, but one could argue that there aren't many people running a gaming computer with both Windows XP and a DirectX 11 video card.

And you know why Microsoft ported it back to Vista rather than saying everyone has to get Windows 7 now?  Because they knew that some of the new features in DirectX 11 were going to be a big deal.  OpenGL 4.0 roughly caught up in feature set shortly thereafter--and works not merely on Windows 7, but also Vista and XP (and Linux, though not Mac OS X).  If DirectX 11 had been Windows 7 only, then OpenGL would have been the natural choice for game developers who wanted to make a game with modern graphics.  And Microsoft can't have that, as DirectX is what ties games to Windows.  If all games used OpenGL rather than DirectX, gaming computers wouldn't necessarily need Windows.

  Reizla

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11/13/12 11:58:39 PM#51

As said before... Mickey$oft wants us to use Win8 over Win7, that's pretty obvious. Win8 seems to have so called 'improvements' and is compatible with WInPhone8. But when I look at my gameslist, every single game older than 5 years is not supported by WIn8. So Fat chance I'll hop to Win8 over Win7 (I do have a Win8 copy to upgrade a Vista machine though).

An other thing a lot of ppl seem to forget. Why bother about DX11.1 when most developers still use DX9 for their games? DX9 is the standard because it's easy to port to both the xbox360 and PS3.

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  Quizzical

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11/14/12 12:03:40 AM#52
Originally posted by Reizla

An other thing a lot of ppl seem to forget. Why bother about DX11.1 when most developers still use DX9 for their games? DX9 is the standard because it's easy to port to both the xbox360 and PS3.

DirectX is proprietary to Microsoft.  The Xbox 360 basically uses DirectX 9.0c, but the PlayStation 3 uses its own custom API, not DIrectX or even OpenGL.

  Aodhan

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11/14/12 12:07:41 AM#53

LOL @ 39 bucks Australian,cheapest os ever,works great.

Emm Tightarse's comes to mind :).

 

 

  Torvaldr

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11/14/12 12:08:35 AM#54
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by Torvaldr

When you look at it in the perspective that most mmos, if not most pc games, are DX9 or DX10 compatible then the fud makes no sense at all.  Did anyone upgrade to Win7 for DX10.1?

DirectX 10.1 was released long before Windows 7.  AMD cards all the way back to the Radeon HD 3000 series support it.

You may have meant DirectX 11 rather than 10.1, as 11 is what launched with Windows 7.  Unlike 10.1 or 11.1, DirectX 11 brought some major new features and was a big deal.  So you know what Microsoft did about it?  They ported it back to Vista.  They didn't port it back to Windows XP, but one could argue that there aren't many people running a gaming computer with both Windows XP and a DirectX 11 video card.

And you know why Microsoft ported it back to Vista rather than saying everyone has to get Windows 7 now?  Because they knew that some of the new features in DirectX 11 were going to be a big deal.  OpenGL 4.0 roughly caught up in feature set shortly thereafter--and works not merely on Windows 7, but also Vista and XP (and Linux, though not Mac OS X).  If DirectX 11 had been Windows 7 only, then OpenGL would have been the natural choice for game developers who wanted to make a game with modern graphics.  And Microsoft can't have that, as DirectX is what ties games to Windows.  If all games used OpenGL rather than DirectX, gaming computers wouldn't necessarily need Windows.

Yes, thanks for the correction.  I don't think I'm wrong in guessing that most games are still DX9/10 compatible though.  Do you agree?  I just don't see this forcing anyone's hand.

I think a mind wipe so people could play an mmo like it was their first time again, would be easier to build than a new mmo people here would actually like. - DamonVile

  aleos

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11/14/12 12:13:33 AM#55
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  Draron

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11/14/12 12:15:39 AM#56
Originally posted by Reizla

As said before... Mickey$oft wants us to use Win8 over Win7, that's pretty obvious. Win8 seems to have so called 'improvements' and is compatible with WInPhone8. But when I look at my gameslist, every single game older than 5 years is not supported by WIn8. So Fat chance I'll hop to Win8 over Win7 (I do have a Win8 copy to upgrade a Vista machine though).

An other thing a lot of ppl seem to forget. Why bother about DX11.1 when most developers still use DX9 for their games? DX9 is the standard because it's easy to port to both the xbox360 and PS3.

Played tons of old games on W8 ever since I upgraded. Morrowind, KOTOR 1 and 2...what games you talking about?

  Toxia

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11/14/12 12:15:48 AM#57
ahahaha get fucked MS that's why i have never paid a dime for windows shitty customer service and business practices

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  Torvaldr

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11/14/12 12:20:14 AM#58
Originally posted by Draron
Originally posted by Reizla

As said before... Mickey$oft wants us to use Win8 over Win7, that's pretty obvious. Win8 seems to have so called 'improvements' and is compatible with WInPhone8. But when I look at my gameslist, every single game older than 5 years is not supported by WIn8. So Fat chance I'll hop to Win8 over Win7 (I do have a Win8 copy to upgrade a Vista machine though).

An other thing a lot of ppl seem to forget. Why bother about DX11.1 when most developers still use DX9 for their games? DX9 is the standard because it's easy to port to both the xbox360 and PS3.

Played tons of old games on W8 ever since I upgraded. Morrowind, KOTOR 1 and 2...what games you talking about?

All my DOSBox ports from GoG.com work too.  And the parent poster should totally upgrade the Vista machine if they have an extra license lying around.

Really the OS is a lot more like the previous version (Win7) than any other version of Windows since Win 3.11.

I think a mind wipe so people could play an mmo like it was their first time again, would be easier to build than a new mmo people here would actually like. - DamonVile

  Castillle

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11/14/12 12:37:16 AM#59

I just finished installing windows 8 and Im pretty surprised.   The start menu, while terrible, is still feeling more of the same.  prolly cuz I only use the taskbar and have all my stuff rocket-docked....I also treat the start menu as its own full screen program instead of like....windows o.O 

 

All in all Im pretty satisfied with it.  Right now Im just putting up all my favorite websites n feeds to the start menu! \(^_^)/

Oh and Im in love with my Razer Deathstalker.  It arrived this morning @_@

 

Oh and as for the DirectX....Has it not always been like that?  XP had 9, Vista had 10, 7 had 11, and now 8 has 11.1

And as quiz said, 11.1 is barely anything to write home about.  Heck Im still sticking to 11 for my stuff cuz I dont use stereo 3D, which is the only noteworthy thing I remember seeing in 11.1.

 

On another note, IE from the start menu seems to be very....Mobile-ey.  It looks and acts like tablet/phone browsers.  ITS NOT LETTING ME CLICK THE COLOR CHANGER! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO~

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  Loke666

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11/14/12 12:54:26 AM#60
Originally posted by Whitebeards
WIn 8 will never be as good as WIN 7. Sooner or later they will realise this.

Win 8 is great, as  long as you have a touch screen.

Sadly, we PC users rarely have that so for us is that true. Screw you microsoft!

You did the same with Windows 2000 so I had to change for the less stable XP but there you at least waited longer.

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