Originally posted by gwei1984
Oh man OP, every ad you ever watched, and every product you ever bought is built on a lie called advertisement. Grow up and open your eyes. This is nothing new.

I think ANet's fans thought ANet would be different.

And to their credit ANet certain were in GW1.

Originally posted by Mavek

I think they did this in order to add some gear progression to the pve side of things without really harming the pvp.  I really doubt that the changes made the new gear will be extremely potent.  Yes it does go against their philosophy from before but they realized people like the carrot.  

 

What this does is allow for pve content to be more challenging while keeping pvp on a fairly equal footing (im assuming this because it seems that the special attunment or whatever it is is only needed for the dungeon to survive beyond a certain point). It seems to me to be like resistance gear in WoW except you resist the NPC's and it has a fairly minimal efect against other players (ie minimal stat boosting).

This exactly. I couldn't care less for gear if it doesn't affect the WvW in a bad way. It surely won't be a WoW style gear treadmill where you absolutely need the best gear to be able to perform in PvP.

People are really funny, HO NOES gw2 doesn't have any progression whatsoever, what a boring game... They add  some kind of gear progression, HO NOES gw2 is going to have gear progression, what  a stupid idea, anet is bad... If only most people would wake up and STOP BUYING GAMES THAT AREN'T MADE FOR THEM. So many idiots on this planet, its pathetic.

Originally posted by Jyiiga
 

I'mma call BS on that one. If this were the case that thread on the official forums would't have seen this kinda momentum in a single day. There is more GW1 population in this game thatn WOW population and the GW1 players came from a game with horizonal gear progression. 

You have no way of knowing that. You may have anecdotal evidence, but then again I know noone who ever even played GW1, yet know about half dozen who switched from WoW -> GW2 (and back again).

Pointless argument, but I find it FAR, FAR more likely that people flocked to GW2 because it's free; not because GW1 had horizontal progression (and GW2 promised the same).

In fact, this expanation so very plausible it's the only one making sense considering the recent changes to the game.

It's called a business for a reason.  Profit is the ulitmate goal no matter how you try and spin it.  If the original idea proved to not meet the profit expectation you would be a financial idiot not to adapt.  While I can certainly sympathize with those who somehow thought offering an MMO for for nothing more than the box price was going to work the fact remains those that stick to those morals ultimately fail in this industry.

People "sub" or spend more money in a CS in this market specifically because it seperates them from the rest of the pack.  It's the fundamental difference between MMORPG's and just about every other online game (although the others seem to be catching on REAL quick).

Regardless of the state of economy gaming has and will most likely remain one of the cheapest hobbies available (monetarily speaking).  This is one of the main driving factors behind pricing.  Outside of my fellow PC enthusiasts the average gamer spends around $2-3 a day on this "hobby" (this includes the overall cost of the system, peripherals and games).  FAR less than the majority of hobbies available to the "normal" person.  I'm sure some of those reading this post have or are photography hobbiests, be honest with yourselfs and us and think about how much per year you spend!

The reality is most gamers have been spoiled and feel we somehow deserve a free ride to our favorite past time while it's perfectly acceptable others should have to pay for theirs.  Talk about hypocritical.

Just to clarify, this is not directed at any one person/gamer but rather the industry as a whole and those who are looking at us from glass houses (whether from the inside or out).

Originally posted by muffins89
are you mad at all?  for 5 years Anet said they were different.    and millions of people fell for it.   wether or not you like the game,  do you think Anet decieved you? 

Nope.

No one on this board has the right to feel otherwise.  I've been saying it was a WOW clone from the start.  

Originally posted by Mothanos

I get zero problems that pve player at heart get some gear progresion, but if that means i am forced to play pve it becomes a totaly diffrent story.
i have 600 hours in WvW, maybe 50 in PvE including leveling.
If that means my face is going to get owned by pve players its a /uninstall

Give WvW players a karma / Badges set on par with that set and i dont mind it.
But no word spoken about something likt that, and that worries me...alot.

You shouldn't have to worry at all. There's like a +5 to certain stats with the new gear, nothing game breaking. Its only that they replace the upgrade slot with something new, Infusions, that will be needed to go farther in the new dungeon. The upgrade components aren't gone, they are just built into Ascended items, with a negligible boost in stats. I'm also pretty sure that the Infusions won't give you any stats whatsoever, its only there to mitigate the new condition called Agony. So don't worry, you still won't have to play the PvE to stay competitive in WvW.

Originally posted by thinktank001

Originally posted by muffins89
are you mad at all?  for 5 years Anet said they were different.    and millions of people fell for it.   wether or not you like the game,  do you think Anet decieved you? 

 

Nope.

 

No one on this board has the right to feel otherwise.  I've been saying it was a WOW clone from the start.  

Yeah I know right, Dota 2 is another WoW clone with a cash shop.

Nope.  I think the game is different.  And I'm enjoying the shit out of it.

I have yet to find Anet using a deceptive practice at all.  I know some people like to think they do that, but I personally think they have an agenda...

As for the gear thing....who would have thought there would be so many no-life-having gamers that spend as much time playing the game as they do working a job?  Apparently even a gaming company didn't realize there were so many of them out there.  I still find it hard to believe, but apparently that's the case.

why would i be mad ?

ive over 400 hours  in the game  im still finding things to do   and i play at least 2-3 hours a day

a mmo as good if not better than any other  AAA mmo on the market  with no sub fee

a completly different combat system to what ive seen before

a new questing system

and grouping happens all the time  in random points around world

i think the only mad ones are the people who didnt buy it  or who still pay to play a mmo

I dont see how ANET lied to us.

But of course ANET is a different company under Mike O´Brien than it was under Jeff Strain. If you want a company following Strains visions to 100% you should look un his new company, Undead labs, instead.

Companies do change, and at times they do need to change. Right now is my exoctic gear (1-3 hours per piece to get) the best stats in the game. How the ascended gear will work is still something we will wait to see the impact off but I am not that worried.

We seen plenty of whine on ANET before, people saying that they cant possibly make as many free updates as P2P games and so far have ANET proven those people wrong. Why not wait a few weeks and see the actual impact this time before assuming the worst?

Originally posted by muffins89
are you mad at all?  for 5 years Anet said they were different.    and millions of people fell for it.   wether or not you like the game,  do you think Anet decieved you? 

You fell for it, many didn't.

Originally posted by muffins89

these are 2 quotes from Arenanet devs just over 3 months ago. 

 

"Here's what we believe: If someone wants to play for a thousand hours to get an item that is so rare that other players can't realistically acquire it, that rare item should be differentiated by its visual appearance and rarity alone, not by being more powerful than everything else in the game. Otherwise, your MMO becomes all about grinding to get the best gear. We don't make grindy games -- we leave the grind to other MMOs."
-Mike Obrien, President of Arenanet

Fun impacts loot collection. The rarest items in the game are not more powerful than other items, so you don’t need them to be the best. The rarest items have unique looks to help your character feel that sense of accomplishment, but it’s not required to play the game. We don’t need to make mandatory gear treadmills, we make all of it optional, so those who find it fun to chase this prestigious gear can do so, but those who don’t are just as powerful and get to have fun too.”
– Colin Johanson

 

 

it's so mind numbingly contradictory.  what could have gone worng to make them change there stance so quickly?

I thought GW2 was different.

To the guy saying its minor stats diffrence only, imagen a full group off WvW players versus a full group of the new gear that comes out.
same skill / same classes / who would win ?
1 vs 1 it may not mean the end of the world, but when fully pve groups enter the scene they can and will have a advantage, and that is not accepteble.

WvW gear should be the best to use in a WvW setting, not the other way around.
Dungeon gear should be best in a PvE setting, this balance is changing, even if it is a slight increase in stats.
PvP is a numbers game, iam willing to bet alot that all pvp's theorycraft on what is best to use to own face.

Again i have no problems pve players get their progresion so many wanted, but you cannot let WvW players run and farm dungeons to stay on equal foot.

GW2 is the same it has always been, they just added endgame for those that want it, don't be selfish. You already got Tyria to explore, Personal Story, Dynamic Events, Puzzles, WvWvW, sPvP.

The problem with ArenaNet is they don't know what GW2 is. Anyone who thinks they were not grinding before this latest twist is delusional and had blinkers on.

Now they have introduced gear progression it just turns GW2 into joke of an MMO. Fact is there are other MMOs that do gear progression better and have more MMO features and more balanced dungeons built around the trinity.

GW2 is a graveyard rez zerg fest and if people really want gear progression they can play RIFT, WOW, LOTRO, EQ2, Vanguard,  Tera, TSW, SWTOR and many more MMOs that actually do it way better than GW2.

As for PVP well you have PS2 which is a true PVP game that has no PVE and you can actually see the name of the person you are fighting. On top of that it's not a meaningless carebear system that really is just a zerg and nothing else, again PS2 does it better.

So what is left, ah i know SKINS LOL.

You might as well play rift which has a robust skill sytem and all the MMO features you would expect from a fully blown gear progression MMO.