Originally posted by muffins89

these are 2 quotes from Arenanet devs just over 3 months ago. 

 

"Here's what we believe: If someone wants to play for a thousand hours to get an item that is so rare that other players can't realistically acquire it, that rare item should be differentiated by its visual appearance and rarity alone, not by being more powerful than everything else in the game. Otherwise, your MMO becomes all about grinding to get the best gear. We don't make grindy games -- we leave the grind to other MMOs."
-Mike Obrien, President of Arenanet

Fun impacts loot collection. The rarest items in the game are not more powerful than other items, so you don’t need them to be the best. The rarest items have unique looks to help your character feel that sense of accomplishment, but it’s not required to play the game. We don’t need to make mandatory gear treadmills, we make all of it optional, so those who find it fun to chase this prestigious gear can do so, but those who don’t are just as powerful and get to have fun too.”
– Colin Johanson

 

 

it's so mind numbingly contradictory.  what could have gone worng to make them change there stance so quickly?

Here's the problem that they are now discovering.....that many of us knew for some time.

1st paragraph:

This just doesn't motivate players and is not a real form of progression.

2nd paragraph

It's not the items themselves that give us the sense of accomplishment. It's what we do with them. Not what they look like.

Originally posted by SonicTHI

Deceived, betrayed, sad, angry...
Probably my last non f2p MMO and my last MMO that i played "seriously".

Fucking WoW threadmills.

yes becouse you must have ring with 5 power more

does this make you stronger in pve? no its like 2 more dmg in actual combat

does this make you stronger in WvW? no becouse tactic wins in WvW

food gives you  +200 of stat, gives you 10% more critical dmg so why i see only about 5% of players using it? becouse it doesnt matter, yes you are a bit stronger but anyone can kill you even without it

Originally posted by Razperil

Originally posted by muffins89
are you mad at all?  for 5 years Anet said they were different.    and millions of people fell for it.   wether or not you like the game,  do you think Anet decieved you? 

You know, muffin, you seem to honestly want to give this game bad rep. All you seem to be doing lately is degrading it. If you don't like the game, stop having anything to do with it. There are plenty of us that still enjoy the game.

To answer your question, "NO". I think you get the drift in that. Just because you need to rant about your so called letdown, does not mean others will share it. I'll leave it at this since mods love to use that tempt ban abusiveness. ;)

I won't be so sure about that since the new changes have split the community widely. Just the check official forums and that gigantic thread with thousands of replies. OP is not the only one feeling let down.

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by muffins89

these are 2 quotes from Arenanet devs just over 3 months ago. 

 

"Here's what we believe: If someone wants to play for a thousand hours to get an item that is so rare that other players can't realistically acquire it, that rare item should be differentiated by its visual appearance and rarity alone, not by being more powerful than everything else in the game. Otherwise, your MMO becomes all about grinding to get the best gear. We don't make grindy games -- we leave the grind to other MMOs."
-Mike Obrien, President of Arenanet

Fun impacts loot collection. The rarest items in the game are not more powerful than other items, so you don’t need them to be the best. The rarest items have unique looks to help your character feel that sense of accomplishment, but it’s not required to play the game. We don’t need to make mandatory gear treadmills, we make all of it optional, so those who find it fun to chase this prestigious gear can do so, but those who don’t are just as powerful and get to have fun too.”
– Colin Johanson

 

it's so mind numbingly contradictory.  what could have gone worng to make them change there stance so quickly?

Umm... Those statements both make sense together?

 

It's mind numbingly ridiculous that you are unable to see that.

lol well it's muffins

Originally posted by muffins89
are you mad at all?  for 5 years Anet said they were different.    and millions of people fell for it.   wether or not you like the game,  do you think Anet decieved you? 

I did like the game, however it's no different than the rest that are already out there. I knew they weren't bringing anything new to the table, just more of the same ole same ole from wow, rift, eq2 with a different skin. Oh but wait, no monthly fee is their claim to fame.

The game hooked me for 1 month and that was it. It's now in mmo limbo like the rest of the themepark mmo's before it.

Originally posted by saurus123

Originally posted by SonicTHI

Deceived, betrayed, sad, angry...
Probably my last non f2p MMO and my last MMO that i played "seriously".

Fucking WoW threadmills.

yes becouse you must have ring with 5 power more

 

does this make you stronger in pve? no its like 2 more dmg in actual combat

does this make you stronger in WvW? no becouse tactic wins in WvW

 

food gives you  +200 of stat, gives you 10% more critical dmg so why i see only about 5% of players using it? becouse it doesnt matter, yes you are a bit stronger but anyone can kill you even without it

 

 

 

 

 

Whether it is more than 5 power or not is irrelevant.

They said they won't do X and now they are doing X.

They lied. How you respond to that is up to you.

I can see why some people might be angry that ANet lied to them.

Originally posted by Razperil

Originally posted by muffins89
are you mad at all?  for 5 years Anet said they were different.    and millions of people fell for it.   wether or not you like the game,  do you think Anet decieved you? 

You know, muffin, you seem to honestly want to give this game bad rep. All you seem to be doing lately is degrading it. If you don't like the game, stop having anything to do with it. There are plenty of us that still enjoy the game.

To answer your question, "NO". I think you get the drift in that. Just because you need to rant about your so called letdown, does not mean others will share it. I'll leave it at this since mods love to use that tempt ban abusiveness. ;)

 I don't think Muffin is out to cause " Bad rep " for GW2 it's his/her opinion on the matter, and honestly , Muffins right.

Since playing MMORPGS for alittle ove 15 years there's only maybe 4 or 5 mmos that are different in all , I loved playing GW2 but after a month or so it became real to me that this was yet again the same old stuff just repackaged and added different textures and a races ect.

There is nothing really new with GW2 and you people need to see that, I mean the tab targeting combat was already done ahundred times before and done better, the dodge mechanic wasn't done well either, whoopie I can dodge in a certain direction just to avoid a AOE, and WvWvW ( was done fairly well in GW2 ) was done better in other games, hell warhammer online I still find had the second best one , and the best was DAoC.

But to go back and say to Muffin about giving bad rep to the game , no just no , the game is doing that to itself aleady, so take off the blinders and take a good hard look and what the game really is , " Same old " nothing new at all, at least in TSW that had newer ideas, I wonder if TSW was F2P at launch would it have taken off better? Thats the ONLY thing going for GW2 is that it's free to get onto their servers , which is a good thing.

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Originally posted by saurus123

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Originally posted by SonicTHI Deceived, betrayed, sad, angry... Probably my last non f2p MMO and my last MMO that i played "seriously". Fucking WoW threadmills.

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yes becouse you must have ring with 5 power more

 

does this make you stronger in pve? no its like 2 more dmg in actual combat

does this make you stronger in WvW? no becouse tactic wins in WvW

 

food gives you  +200 of stat, gives you 10% more critical dmg so why i see only about 5% of players using it? becouse it doesnt matter, yes you are a bit stronger but anyone can kill you even without it

 

 

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I dont give 2 shits about the stats. Its about the principle. Its about lying to the core playerbase and trying to cater to a wider yet unstable and dumb audience. Gaming nowadays in a nutshell. ANET was one of the last studios that held true to their vision till they sold out.

Originally posted by SonicTHI

 

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Originally posted by saurus123

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Originally posted by SonicTHI Deceived, betrayed, sad, angry... Probably my last non f2p MMO and my last MMO that i played "seriously". Fucking WoW threadmills.

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yes becouse you must have ring with 5 power more

 

 

does this make you stronger in pve? no its like 2 more dmg in actual combat

does this make you stronger in WvW? no becouse tactic wins in WvW

 

food gives you  +200 of stat, gives you 10% more critical dmg so why i see only about 5% of players using it? becouse it doesnt matter, yes you are a bit stronger but anyone can kill you even without it

 

 

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I dont give 2 shits about the stats. Its about the principle. Its about lying to the core playerbase and trying to cater to a wider yet unstable and dumb audience. Gaming nowadays in a nutshell. ANET was one of the last studios that held true to their vision till they sold out.

 Well I wouldn't go so far as to saying the " Dumb audience " I will agree with you on Anen.

Everyone has their own gaming preferences and not everyone is the same , but the greater majority is casual which is ok, fo myself I prefer a more hardcore gaming experience , even GW2 can't support that, here's waiting on EQ next and afew others.

anytime anyone try's to shed some light on what is really going on,  people are quick to dismiss it.  guild wars 2 is very popular.  i understand a lot of people (myself included) are invested in it.  but i have not been given the product in which the developers described for 5+ years.  the reccent addition of a new tier of gear just solidify's that.

Originally posted by muffins89

anytime anyone try's to shed some light on what is really going on,  people are quick to dismiss it.  guild wars 2 is very popular.  i understand a lot of people (myself included) are invested in it.  but i have not been given the product in which the developers described for 5+ years.  the reccent addition of a new tier of gear just solidify's that.

 I hear you, but for myself , the game has been sitting on my harddrives unused for the past afew months, why? because it gets boring as all hell!

Don't worry about what others say, they may call you on stuff but it's your own opinion who gives a damn, shit, people today think that if you give your own constructive concerns regarding a game you'de thing that you're insulting their mothers or something, come on, enough is enough, let Muffin speak his/her mind!!

Not sure why some posters can't understand that some people get upset if they are lied to.

This isn't rocket science.

Originally posted by zenryoku
Nope, what's to be mad about? I'm still playing and it's really fun. But, I suppose I am feeding the troll. :P

Some people like to be told the truth. I know it is shocking! :P

I find gw2 fun and not mad or upset about this whole thing at all. But that doesn't mean I don't understand why some people might be upset.

Originally posted by SonicTHI

 

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Originally posted by saurus123

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Originally posted by SonicTHI Deceived, betrayed, sad, angry... Probably my last non f2p MMO and my last MMO that i played "seriously". Fucking WoW threadmills.

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yes becouse you must have ring with 5 power more

 

 

does this make you stronger in pve? no its like 2 more dmg in actual combat

does this make you stronger in WvW? no becouse tactic wins in WvW

 

food gives you  +200 of stat, gives you 10% more critical dmg so why i see only about 5% of players using it? becouse it doesnt matter, yes you are a bit stronger but anyone can kill you even without it

 

 

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I dont give 2 shits about the stats. Its about the principle. Its about lying to the core playerbase and trying to cater to a wider yet unstable and dumb audience. Gaming nowadays in a nutshell. ANET was one of the last studios that held true to their vision till they sold out.

No, ANET sold out quite some time ago. Who do you think is calling these shots right now?

http://www.arena.net/press/ncsoft_acquires_arenanet

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by SonicTHI

 

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Originally posted by saurus123

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Originally posted by SonicTHI Deceived, betrayed, sad, angry... Probably my last non f2p MMO and my last MMO that i played "seriously". Fucking WoW threadmills.

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yes becouse you must have ring with 5 power more

 

 

does this make you stronger in pve? no its like 2 more dmg in actual combat

does this make you stronger in WvW? no becouse tactic wins in WvW

 

food gives you  +200 of stat, gives you 10% more critical dmg so why i see only about 5% of players using it? becouse it doesnt matter, yes you are a bit stronger but anyone can kill you even without it

 

 

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I dont give 2 shits about the stats. Its about the principle. Its about lying to the core playerbase and trying to cater to a wider yet unstable and dumb audience. Gaming nowadays in a nutshell. ANET was one of the last studios that held true to their vision till they sold out.

No, ANET sold out quite some time ago. Who do you think is calling these shots right now?

http://www.arena.net/press/ncsoft_acquires_arenanet

im sorry but that's typical.  something goes good it's anet.  something goes bad it's someone else.  be it nexon or ncsoft.  if these people really had a moral dimella in what they were doing they would quit.  and before they walked out the door they would tell the fans what was going on.  not buying the shot-caller argument.

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by SonicTHI

 

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Originally posted by saurus123

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Originally posted by SonicTHI Deceived, betrayed, sad, angry... Probably my last non f2p MMO and my last MMO that i played "seriously". Fucking WoW threadmills.

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yes becouse you must have ring with 5 power more

 

 

does this make you stronger in pve? no its like 2 more dmg in actual combat

does this make you stronger in WvW? no becouse tactic wins in WvW

 

food gives you  +200 of stat, gives you 10% more critical dmg so why i see only about 5% of players using it? becouse it doesnt matter, yes you are a bit stronger but anyone can kill you even without it

 

 

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I dont give 2 shits about the stats. Its about the principle. Its about lying to the core playerbase and trying to cater to a wider yet unstable and dumb audience. Gaming nowadays in a nutshell. ANET was one of the last studios that held true to their vision till they sold out.

No, ANET sold out quite some time ago. Who do you think is calling these shots right now?

http://www.arena.net/press/ncsoft_acquires_arenanet

I wonder why no one mentiones this when good decisions are made. As if all the bad decision comes only from Ncsoft.