Originally posted by muffins89
are you mad at all?  for 5 years Anet said they were different.    and millions of people fell for it.   wether or not you like the game,  do you think Anet decieved you? 

No, I'm not that naïve anymore. There was a time though...back in 2008 when I joined this site and had broken up the long relationship I had with WoW ^^

Originally posted by muffins89
are you mad at all?  for 5 years Anet said they were different.    and millions of people fell for it.   wether or not you like the game,  do you think Anet decieved you? 

I never thought they'd be very different, and big surprise! They're not.

First they screwed up the PvP, underdeveloped it and sold it as is, despite it needing a TON of work.

And now they're destroying the only decent part of their game.

these are 2 quotes from Arenanet devs just over 3 months ago. 

"Here's what we believe: If someone wants to play for a thousand hours to get an item that is so rare that other players can't realistically acquire it, that rare item should be differentiated by its visual appearance and rarity alone, not by being more powerful than everything else in the game. Otherwise, your MMO becomes all about grinding to get the best gear. We don't make grindy games -- we leave the grind to other MMOs."
-Mike Obrien, President of Arenanet

Fun impacts loot collection. The rarest items in the game are not more powerful than other items, so you don’t need them to be the best. The rarest items have unique looks to help your character feel that sense of accomplishment, but it’s not required to play the game. We don’t need to make mandatory gear treadmills, we make all of it optional, so those who find it fun to chase this prestigious gear can do so, but those who don’t are just as powerful and get to have fun too.”
– Colin Johanson

it's so mind numbingly contradictory.  what could have gone worng to make them change there stance so quickly?

Originally posted by muffins89

these are 2 quotes from Arenanet devs just over 3 months ago. 

 

"Here's what we believe: If someone wants to play for a thousand hours to get an item that is so rare that other players can't realistically acquire it, that rare item should be differentiated by its visual appearance and rarity alone, not by being more powerful than everything else in the game. Otherwise, your MMO becomes all about grinding to get the best gear. We don't make grindy games -- we leave the grind to other MMOs."
-Mike Obrien, President of Arenanet

Fun impacts loot collection. The rarest items in the game are not more powerful than other items, so you don’t need them to be the best. The rarest items have unique looks to help your character feel that sense of accomplishment, but it’s not required to play the game. We don’t need to make mandatory gear treadmills, we make all of it optional, so those who find it fun to chase this prestigious gear can do so, but those who don’t are just as powerful and get to have fun too.”
– Colin Johanson

 

it's so mind numbingly contradictory.  what could have gone worng to make them change there stance so quickly?

Umm... Those statements both make sense together?

It's mind numbingly ridiculous that you are unable to see that.

Originally posted by muffins89
are you mad at all?  for 5 years Anet said they were different.    and millions of people fell for it.   wether or not you like the game,  do you think Anet decieved you? 

If you think Anet's word is gospel yes you are going to be upset.

I am happy they introduced gear progression. I don't blindly trust gaming companies any ways.

And i see damage control squad is already in action. ;)

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by muffins89

these are 2 quotes from Arenanet devs just over 3 months ago. 

 

"Here's what we believe: If someone wants to play for a thousand hours to get an item that is so rare that other players can't realistically acquire it, that rare item should be differentiated by its visual appearance and rarity alone, not by being more powerful than everything else in the game. Otherwise, your MMO becomes all about grinding to get the best gear. We don't make grindy games -- we leave the grind to other MMOs."
-Mike Obrien, President of Arenanet

Fun impacts loot collection. The rarest items in the game are not more powerful than other items, so you don’t need them to be the best. The rarest items have unique looks to help your character feel that sense of accomplishment, but it’s not required to play the game. We don’t need to make mandatory gear treadmills, we make all of it optional, so those who find it fun to chase this prestigious gear can do so, but those who don’t are just as powerful and get to have fun too.”
– Colin Johanson

 

it's so mind numbingly contradictory.  what could have gone worng to make them change there stance so quickly?

Umm... Those statements both make sense together?

 

It's mind numbingly ridiculous that you are unable to see that.

contradictory to what they are adding now.  ie the gear treadmill.  that colin says isnt needed.  *cough*

Originally posted by muffins89

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by muffins89

these are 2 quotes from Arenanet devs just over 3 months ago. 

 

"Here's what we believe: If someone wants to play for a thousand hours to get an item that is so rare that other players can't realistically acquire it, that rare item should be differentiated by its visual appearance and rarity alone, not by being more powerful than everything else in the game. Otherwise, your MMO becomes all about grinding to get the best gear. We don't make grindy games -- we leave the grind to other MMOs."
-Mike Obrien, President of Arenanet

Fun impacts loot collection. The rarest items in the game are not more powerful than other items, so you don’t need them to be the best. The rarest items have unique looks to help your character feel that sense of accomplishment, but it’s not required to play the game. We don’t need to make mandatory gear treadmills, we make all of it optional, so those who find it fun to chase this prestigious gear can do so, but those who don’t are just as powerful and get to have fun too.”
– Colin Johanson

 

it's so mind numbingly contradictory.  what could have gone worng to make them change there stance so quickly?

Umm... Those statements both make sense together?

 

It's mind numbingly ridiculous that you are unable to see that.

contradictory to what they are adding now.  ie the gear treadmill.  that colin says isnt needed.  *cough*

Dude, yeah. I just saw that. You gotta add a link when you drop stuff like that. I'm comin' in fresh today.

I think they did this in order to add some gear progression to the pve side of things without really harming the pvp.  I really doubt that the changes made the new gear will be extremely potent.  Yes it does go against their philosophy from before but they realized people like the carrot.  

What this does is allow for pve content to be more challenging while keeping pvp on a fairly equal footing (im assuming this because it seems that the special attunment or whatever it is is only needed for the dungeon to survive beyond a certain point). It seems to me to be like resistance gear in WoW except you resist the NPC's and it has a fairly minimal efect against other players (ie minimal stat boosting).

Originally posted by muffins89

these are 2 quotes from Arenanet devs just over 3 months ago. 

 

"Here's what we believe: If someone wants to play for a thousand hours to get an item that is so rare that other players can't realistically acquire it, that rare item should be differentiated by its visual appearance and rarity alone, not by being more powerful than everything else in the game. Otherwise, your MMO becomes all about grinding to get the best gear. We don't make grindy games -- we leave the grind to other MMOs."
-Mike Obrien, President of Arenanet

Fun impacts loot collection. The rarest items in the game are not more powerful than other items, so you don’t need them to be the best. The rarest items have unique looks to help your character feel that sense of accomplishment, but it’s not required to play the game. We don’t need to make mandatory gear treadmills, we make all of it optional, so those who find it fun to chase this prestigious gear can do so, but those who don’t are just as powerful and get to have fun too.”
– Colin Johanson

 

 

it's so mind numbingly contradictory.  what could have gone worng to make them change there stance so quickly?

Ahh I see what your saying now.

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  "This is just the beginning. In November, we’re only adding the first level of Infusions and Ascended Rings and Back slots, so that leaves us a lot of room to build upon these levels of Item progression in future content. As we release more new end game content in the future, you’ll see more Infusions and Ascended item types being added to the game. Eventually, you’ll be able to kit yourself out with a full set of Ascended gear and high end Infusions to help give you the edge in end game content."
  
  - Lindsey Murdock, Game Designer
  
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  http://venturebeat.c...s:guildwars2-16
  
  "Here's what we believe: If someone wants to play for a thousand hours to get an item that is so rare that other players can't realistically acquire it, that rare item should be differentiated by its visual appearance and rarity alone, not by being more powerful than everything else in the game. Otherwise, your MMO becomes all about grinding to get the best gear. We don't make grindy games -- we leave the grind to other MMOs."
  
  -Mike Obrien, President of Arenanet

I won't say i am not shocked but i won't deny that i am not happy with new changes either. I have got way too much flak from GW2 fans on official  forums for supporting the idea of gear progression in GW2.

I can have my last laugh now? ;)

Deceived, betrayed, sad, angry...
Probably my last non f2p MMO and my last MMO that i played "seriously".

Fucking WoW threadmills.

Originally posted by muffins89
are you mad at all?  for 5 years Anet said they were different.    and millions of people fell for it.   wether or not you like the game,  do you think Anet decieved you? 

You know, muffin, you seem to honestly want to give this game bad rep. All you seem to be doing lately is degrading it. If you don't like the game, stop having anything to do with it. There are plenty of us that still enjoy the game.

To answer your question, "NO". I think you get the drift in that. Just because you need to rant about your so called letdown, does not mean others will share it. I'll leave it at this since mods love to use that tempt ban abusiveness. ;)

Originally posted by muffins89

these are 2 quotes from Arenanet devs just over 3 months ago. 

 

"Here's what we believe: If someone wants to play for a thousand hours to get an item that is so rare that other players can't realistically acquire it, that rare item should be differentiated by its visual appearance and rarity alone, not by being more powerful than everything else in the game. Otherwise, your MMO becomes all about grinding to get the best gear. We don't make grindy games -- we leave the grind to other MMOs."
-Mike Obrien, President of Arenanet

Fun impacts loot collection. The rarest items in the game are not more powerful than other items, so you don’t need them to be the best. The rarest items have unique looks to help your character feel that sense of accomplishment, but it’s not required to play the game. We don’t need to make mandatory gear treadmills, we make all of it optional, so those who find it fun to chase this prestigious gear can do so, but those who don’t are just as powerful and get to have fun too.”
– Colin Johanson

 

 

it's so mind numbingly contradictory.  what could have gone worng to make them change there stance so quickly?

I do have some insight to these "visual apperance" rarity item's there talking about.

Visual apperance is based off preference and taste to your suiting, you might like it where someone else doesnt. Example someone likes what the ford f-150 looks like oppsed to the chevy silverado. I know I'm talking trucks but in theory visuals are personal taste.

Where as numbers are hard coded as better because the higher the number the better the item and or rarity. If you work for something so hard it should have the highest rank (stat) it prves that you put in the work for the best.

Visuals are great in this game no doubt, prolly the best I have seen yet. As to put someone through so many hours for a visual preference where half the population might think is ugly seems trivial.