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  User Deleted
11/12/12 6:20:42 PM#21
Originally posted by Whitebeards
Originally posted by sammyeli
Originally posted by Whitebeards
Originally posted by sammyeli
Originally posted by Whitebeards
Originally posted by sammyeli
You are playing a very dangerous game my friend and its called common sense. you might want to run NOW!~!!! O_O

Not everyone knew that all your alts are counted in player population. I have 5 alts, i can only imagine how many others have   that many and more. That is why a lot of people wonder where all the players are even though server is FULL.

Not that common sense bro.

Oh sir how dare I offend someone, please throw me in a pit!

I am not  offended. I just disagree that this was common knowledge.

I didn't knwo this was common practice in mmos to post a server status and then say well these servers are full because there are 1 million registered here. damn common sense tell me whats right and whats wrong.

So your common sense told you that all characters on your account are counted towards total population on server? because i surely didn't know that.

YOu can keep reading what eva says how ever you want to but I do not really care how you take it in, I am just here for the lol and enjoying the conversation.

  Torvaldr

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11/12/12 6:23:09 PM#22
Originally posted by niceguy3978
That explanation is worded poorly because it can be interepreted in 2 ways at the same time, and both interpretations contradict each other.  To me the first line when he says "Full means it is full from people actually playing there at the moment" implies concurrency.  However, the following sentence contradicts that implication because it is talking about alts and all characters of the account being counted among the total players on the server.  I don't know if this contradictory wording was intentional or not, but it cleared things up about as well as mud.

It could be worded better, but never in a way that can't be spun by someone with an agenda.  That's always true here.

The keyword in the statement is the line saying "he will be counted" which is also singular.  The reference to alts is that all the characters on an account count towards one server only, not many.  You can only play one alt at a time and thus only be counted once.  When you log onto any characters in that example they will all count toward Baruch, not where they were originally created.

edit: Zeus explained and highlighted it above.

Curse you AquaScum!

  Purutzil

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11/12/12 6:26:44 PM#23
Originally posted by Zeus.CM

Quote:

"or example, if a player creates an account in Vizunah Square and then moves to Baruch Bay, then all the characters of this player will go to Baruch Bay and he will be counted among the total amount of players of Baruch.#

It's singular. You can't play several alts at the same time. All characters are counted as one account.

Well granted I can tell your an 'avid supporter' of the game and your probably going to quickly dismissed it, reading what it says there the whole 'full server' deal for transfers according to the quotes sounds like the alts all count individually based off his wording rather then as a single account, meaning 5 alts means +5 characters counted as far as server population goes.

 

Sorry, just going off what the quote sounds like. Might be true or not but wording wise its making it sound like alts count individually towards the total.

  niceguy3978

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11/12/12 6:27:51 PM#24
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by niceguy3978
That explanation is worded poorly because it can be interepreted in 2 ways at the same time, and both interpretations contradict each other.  To me the first line when he says "Full means it is full from people actually playing there at the moment" implies concurrency.  However, the following sentence contradicts that implication because it is talking about alts and all characters of the account being counted among the total players on the server.  I don't know if this contradictory wording was intentional or not, but it cleared things up about as well as mud.

It could be worded better, but never in a way that can't be spun by someone with an agenda.  That's always true here.

The keyword in the statement is the line saying "he will be counted" which is also singular.  The reference to alts is that all the characters on an account count towards one server only, not many.  You can only play one alt at a time and thus only be counted once.  When you log onto any characters in that example they will all count toward Baruch, not where they were originally created.

edit: Zeus explained and highlighted it above.

I don't really see how a simple "Logged in characters count towards the server population that they are logged on."  Specify characters and not accounts simplifies everything since you can only have characters on the same server anyway. (Given more than a few minutes I could have worred it better than repeatedly using the wored "logged" but it is still much clearer than what was written and in fewer words).

  Zeus.CM

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11/12/12 6:30:07 PM#25
Originally posted by Purutzil
Originally posted by Zeus.CM

Quote:

"or example, if a player creates an account in Vizunah Square and then moves to Baruch Bay, then all the characters of this player will go to Baruch Bay and he will be counted among the total amount of players of Baruch.#

It's singular. You can't play several alts at the same time. All characters are counted as one account.

Well granted I can tell your an 'avid supporter' of the game and your probably going to quickly dismissed it, reading what it says there the whole 'full server' deal for transfers according to the quotes sounds like the alts all count individually based off his wording rather then as a single account, meaning 5 alts means +5 characters counted as far as server population goes.

 

Sorry, just going off what the quote sounds like. Might be true or not but wording wise its making it sound like alts count individually towards the total.

Me being a GW2 player is irrelevant. It just isn't logical to count 5 alts of one account as 5 accounts, since you can play only one at the time. If Eva said THEY will be counted then it would mean all characters are counted as accounts which would be appsurd.

  Pivotelite

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11/12/12 6:31:29 PM#26
Originally posted by Zeus.CM

Me being a GW2 player is irrelevant. It just isn't logical to count 5 alts of one account as 5 accounts, since you can play only one at the time. If Eva said THEY will be counted then it would mean all characters are counted as accounts which would be appsurd.

 That's what it's saying and I believe it, TERA did the same thing, servers a month after release went from medium to high although playerbase clearly was dropping when asked why they said all alts counted towards the population.

 

And it is logical, Anet is doing it to make people think the game is still growing instead of shrinking,  just like the devs over at EME did with TERA.

  Whitebeards

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11/12/12 6:32:54 PM#27
Originally posted by Zeus.CM
Originally posted by Purutzil
Originally posted by Zeus.CM

Quote:

"or example, if a player creates an account in Vizunah Square and then moves to Baruch Bay, then all the characters of this player will go to Baruch Bay and he will be counted among the total amount of players of Baruch.#

It's singular. You can't play several alts at the same time. All characters are counted as one account.

Well granted I can tell your an 'avid supporter' of the game and your probably going to quickly dismissed it, reading what it says there the whole 'full server' deal for transfers according to the quotes sounds like the alts all count individually based off his wording rather then as a single account, meaning 5 alts means +5 characters counted as far as server population goes.

 

Sorry, just going off what the quote sounds like. Might be true or not but wording wise its making it sound like alts count individually towards the total.

Me being a GW2 player is irrelevant. It just isn't logical to count 5 alts of one account as 5 accounts, since you can play only one at the time. If Eva said THEY will be counted then it would mean all characters are counted as accounts which would be appsurd.

The quote is really vague.. I read it 5 times now and it sounds as if she is saying that all characters are counted towards total population.

Very poorly worded explanation just adding more confusion.

  Zeus.CM

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11/12/12 6:33:34 PM#28
Originally posted by Pivotelite
Originally posted by Zeus.CM

Me being a GW2 player is irrelevant. It just isn't logical to count 5 alts of one account as 5 accounts, since you can play only one at the time. If Eva said THEY will be counted then it would mean all characters are counted as accounts which would be appsurd.

 That's what it's saying and I believe it, TERA did the same thing, servers a month after release went from medium to high although playerbase clearly was dropping when asked why they said all alts counted towards the population.

 

And it is logical, Anet is doing it to make people think the game is still growing instead of shrinking, as the devs over at EME did with TERA.

Interesting. So if a player that has 10 alts logs into the game It would be like 10 players logged in even though there is only one online?

  Ryowulf

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11/12/12 6:35:18 PM#29

Even if it means what the OP thinks it does, I don't see the difference.  There isn't a set number for FULL.  If 50 connected players or 50 + alts equals fulls its the same thing.

 

  grimal

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11/12/12 6:51:43 PM#30
Regardless of the exact math this calculates to, it is far less than most of the rabid defenders were claiming it to be.  Essentially, Full is not quite that full.

"I'm sorry, if you were right, I'd agree with you." - Robin Williams

  grimal

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11/12/12 6:54:09 PM#31
Originally posted by Ryowulf

Even if it means what the OP thinks it does, I don't see the difference.  There isn't a set number for FULL.  If 50 connected players or 50 + alts equals fulls its the same thing.

 

Sort of.

Let's say Full = 50 characters.   That could mean a Full server could have 10 players with 5 toons each (only 10 actually logged in at the time) or even 5 players whom happen to have 10 toons each.  It simply does not mean that Full = 50 people playing concurrently.

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  evolver1972

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What is "real"? How do you define "real"?

11/12/12 6:54:23 PM#32
Originally posted by grimal
Regardless of the exact math this calculates to, it is far less than most of the rabid defenders were claiming it to be.  Essentially, Full is not quite that full.

And this genius insight is based on?????

 

I don't really see how anyone on either side of this argument can say definitively anything about what it means that a server is full.  Until we get more info from Anet on what it means, it's a pretty silly argument IMO.

You want me to pay to play a game I already paid for???

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  grimal

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11/12/12 6:55:54 PM#33
Originally posted by evolver1972
Originally posted by grimal
Regardless of the exact math this calculates to, it is far less than most of the rabid defenders were claiming it to be.  Essentially, Full is not quite that full.

And this genius insight is based on?????

 

I don't really see how anyone on either side of this argument can say definitively anything about what it means that a server is full.  Until we get more info from Anet on what it means, it's a pretty silly argument IMO.

No we can't say, but see my earlier post (right above yours).

Edit: Just because you are playing on a "Full" server at the moment does not necessarily mean a lot of people are on.  There actually could be less people on than that of say a "Medium" server.  Full could mean 50 characters (10 people, 5 toons each) , whereas the medium could be 25 characters (25 people, 1 toon each).

 

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  korent1991

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11/12/12 7:00:04 PM#34

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  IPolygon

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11/12/12 7:00:40 PM#35
I got two things from the op: 1. Population is counted by concurrent players on that server. 2. Population is counted by registered players including alts on the server. I think the right one is number 2.
  fundayz

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11/12/12 7:04:36 PM#36
Originally posted by grimal

No we can't say, but see my earlier post (right above yours).

Edit: Just because you are playing on a "Full" server at the moment does not necessarily mean a lot of people are on.  There actually could be less people on than that of say a "Medium" server.  Full could mean 50 characters (10 people, 5 toons each) , whereas the medium could be 25 characters (25 people, 1 toon each).

 

Grimal, you are mistaken. If CC Eva's post is understood as grammar tells us it should, at no point does she say the alts are counted as individual "players". The subject of her sentence, the player, never changes; it remains singular the entire time.

If you look at the actual forum post, not just the OP, you can see that the reason Eva mentions all of the characters in an account is because it was asked whether a player is counted in the server they are playing on or on the one where the account/characters were made.

  User Deleted
11/12/12 7:09:41 PM#37

I think the OP has misinterpated this . I can't see anywhere where it states as all alts will be counted as to the server population. Hes just reading something into it that just isn't there .

Maybe a future in politics or journelism ?

  fundayz

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11/12/12 7:09:47 PM#38
Originally posted by IPolygon
I got two things from the op: 1. Population is counted by concurrent players on that server. 2. Population is counted by registered players including alts on the server. I think the right one is number 2.

The answer is 1 and it is easy to see why if one adheres to grammar and reading comprehension.

 

Eva didn't say: "For example, if a player creates an account in Vizunah Square and then moves to Baruch Bay, then all the characters of this player will go to Baruch Bay and will be counted among the total amount of players of Baruch."

 

What Eva did say: ""For example, if a player creates an account in Vizunah Square and then moves to Baruch Bay, then all the characters of this player will go to Baruch Bay and he will be counted among the total amount of players of Baruch."

 

That tiny little word makes a huge difference as to what the subject of the sentence is. In this it is the player and NOT the individual characters. This is consistent with her previous statement that only concurrent playing individuals are included in the server pop status.

 

  grimal

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11/12/12 7:13:56 PM#39
Originally posted by fundayz
Originally posted by grimal

No we can't say, but see my earlier post (right above yours).

Edit: Just because you are playing on a "Full" server at the moment does not necessarily mean a lot of people are on.  There actually could be less people on than that of say a "Medium" server.  Full could mean 50 characters (10 people, 5 toons each) , whereas the medium could be 25 characters (25 people, 1 toon each).

 

Grimal, you are mistaken. If CC Eva's post is understood as grammar tells us it should, at no point does she say the alts are counted as individual "players". The subject of her sentence, the player, never changes; it remains singular the entire time.

If you look at the actual forum post, not just the OP, you can see that the reason Eva mentions all of the characters in an account is because it was asked whether a player is counted in the server they are playing on or on the one where the account/characters were made.

If Eva just meant the player, you are correct.  I was reading it as "he" being all the characters created.  Let's see if Eva clarifies this...it is a bit confusing.

 

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  User Deleted
11/12/12 7:18:42 PM#40

Why is it so hard to get active player numbers from devs in general?

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