Originally posted by Jimmydean
Pretty sure Anet just scrapped everything GW2 was based upon.  And it might be enough to make me log in again.

They didn't scrap anything - understand the lore of the GW universe and all they are doing is returning things that were in GW1.

Originally posted by botrytis

Originally posted by Jimmydean
Pretty sure Anet just scrapped everything GW2 was based upon.  And it might be enough to make me log in again.

They didn't scrap anything - understand the lore of the GW universe and all they are doing is returning things that were in GW1.

 

 

Lore has nothing to do with gear stat progression. But I'll take your comments under advisment. I'll place them right next to all of Aerowyn's posts about the entire game being endgame, and how exotics are the best items in game so there is no gear progression.

There is a considerable uproar, not only in the official forums but also in game.

Lets hope Anet reconsider.

Originally posted by botrytis

Originally posted by Jimmydean
Pretty sure Anet just scrapped everything GW2 was based upon.  And it might be enough to make me log in again.

They didn't scrap anything - understand the lore of the GW universe and all they are doing is returning things that were in GW1.

 

 

Infusion never added a new tier of items or made the items have higher stats.

It simply meant you would take less damage from a mursaat skill based on the amount of infused armor pieces.

You would grab any armor you already had and infuse it.

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by Nitth

 

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Originally posted by Torvaldr

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Originally posted by Jyiiga https://www.guildwars2.com/en-gb/news/linsey-murdock-unveils-new-high-end-ascended-gear/ Looks like tiered crap it is. Just like every other sorry game on the market. So much for being special. -throws hands into the air and walks off-

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I always love it when people with an agenda spread a bunch of bullshit.

 

Did you read the article?  Maybe you missed this in your melodramatic overreaction.

  New Rarity Type: AscendedIn November we’ll unveil the first Ascended items. This new rarity type falls between Exotic and Legendary on the spectrum of rarity and has slightly higher stats than Exotics.Ascended gear works a little bit differently than other gear types. The stats and functionality normally added to gear through upgrade components are actually built into Ascended items. Instead of upgrade slots, Ascended gear has Infusion slots, and rarer versions of the items also come with additional Agony Resistance built into them. Players will be able to acquire Ascended Rings in the Fractals of the Mists dungeon, and Ascended items worn on the back can be acquired through special Mystic Forge recipes. The Future of Items ProgressionThis is just the beginning. In November, we’re only adding the first level of Infusions and Ascended Rings and Back slots, so that leaves us a lot of room to build upon these levels of Item progression in future content.

As we release more new end game content in the future, you’ll see more Infusions and Ascended item types being added to the game. Eventually, you’ll be able to kit yourself out with a full set of Ascended gear and high end Infusions to help give you the edge in end game content.You’ll also see more Legendary items in the future and an update to our existing Legendary weapons. Legendary items were always intended to be on par with other “best-in-slot” items. So fear not, all existing Legendary weapons, which are currently on par with Exotics, will be upgraded to be on par with Ascended weapons at the same time that we add Ascended weapons to the game. Thus Legendaries will remain “best-in-slot” items. All Legendary items going forward will be of Ascended power. We also have plans to add more fun ways to acquire Legendary precursor items with a more “scavenger hunt” feel than they are acquired currently.The new additions in November are just the start of our item progression initiative. We’re going to add tons of new high-level content to Guild Wars 2 in the future. As we introduce the new high-level content, we’ll also roll out complimentary Ascended and Legendary items (to say nothing of the other rewards you can earn by playing the content).

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As we release more new end game content in the future, you’ll see more Infusions and Ascended item types being added to the game. Eventually, you’ll be able to kit yourself out with a full set of Ascended gear and high end Infusions to help give you the edge in end game content.

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Did you requote that with nothing else as if you're telling us all something?  Funny how people like you stop reading when it suits your needs.  All you had to do was read a few more lines.

They're adding progression of a sort, still probably nothing to make treadmill runners happy, while keeping with their gear philosophy.  And this is bad how?  More content with more weapons and armour of equivalent power is somehow bad in opposite world?

What do you mean when you say why is this bad?

You have actually seen the GW2 devs talking about the game right?

I mean come on they said spefically they were not going to go down this route and guess what now they are thats why its BAD....

It may just be a cape and a ring atm but soon its gonna be a full set and what do you thinks gonna happen after that set is obtained by everyone you think this is gonna be the end of it?

The thread on the offical forums has like 50,000 posts and you say why is this bad.....

 

The thread on the offical forums has like 50,000 posts and you say why is this bad.....

 

 

Wow 50k posts? That is a lot of anger there. :P You think they will listen?

Originally posted by Nitth

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Originally posted by 1vald2
Anyways, pointless talking to 99% of the people on this forum. You can smell the troll even before clicking on the threads

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Whats the point of a discussion if everyone has a unified viewpoint?

That would make sense if those people wanted to have a discussion but it's always the same 5 or 10 people with an agenda looking for the latest drama to latch onto.  It's not about game discussion.  Hell, some of them even got refunds on the game yet still come in to "discuss" their disgust.

Originally posted by Jimmydean

Originally posted by botrytis

Originally posted by Jimmydean
Pretty sure Anet just scrapped everything GW2 was based upon.  And it might be enough to make me log in again.

They didn't scrap anything - understand the lore of the GW universe and all they are doing is returning things that were in GW1.

 

 

Lore has nothing to do with gear stat progression. But I'll take your comments under advisment. I'll place them right next to all of Aerowyn's posts about the entire game being endgame, and how exotics are the best items in game so there is no gear progression.

Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

Originally posted by botrytis

Originally posted by Jimmydean
Pretty sure Anet just scrapped everything GW2 was based upon.  And it might be enough to make me log in again.

They didn't scrap anything - understand the lore of the GW universe and all they are doing is returning things that were in GW1.

Infusion never added a new tier of items or made the items have higher stats.

It simply meant you would take less damage from a mursaat skill based on the amount of infused armor pieces.

You would grab any armor you already had and infuse it.

Infusion was to counter any mob that could cast the monster only skill, Spectral Agony.  Only a handful of mobs could cast that.  Infusion here counters the Agony condition.  We'll see how many mobs can cast that.  I always thought it was lame that they didn't add more mobs that could cast Spectral Agony, especially if Fissure or UW.

I don't think this sort of progression is bad at all.  For one, the Legendary items will be upgraded to keep their place as BiS.  So they are just making a difference between Exotic and Legendary.  Ascended will be of Legendary quality but less rare.

It sounds like a win and in keeping with their gear philosophy.  What will matter is the content they add to obtain the gear.  If the content is fun and accessible then so much the better.  If it's not or it starts to mirror raid style exclusion, then I'm sure they will hear about it.  One thing very positive that stands out in the article, to me, is they are also adding scavenger hunt style acquisition to loot as opposed to just token bartering or crafting.  Crafting is getting an update as well.

ANet has added progression before in GW1 with Heroes.  Progression doesn't always have to be about gear.  Finally ANet never said there would be no progression, but that you're not getting RIFT style obsolescence and gear treadmill style grind.

Maybe it's just because I played GW1 for a long time, but this seems in keeping with ANets philosophy and shows they are at least listening.

Is this really a bad thing and how so?

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by Nitth

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Originally posted by 1vald2
Anyways, pointless talking to 99% of the people on this forum. You can smell the troll even before clicking on the threads

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Whats the point of a discussion if everyone has a unified viewpoint?

That would make sense if those people wanted to have a discussion but it's always the same 5 or 10 people with an agenda looking for the latest drama to latch onto.  It's not about game discussion.  Hell, some of them even got refunds on the game yet still come in to "discuss" their disgust.

And you don't have an agenda? i am neither a hater or a fanboy but someone  who is happy to see gear progression in GW2.  

But from where i stand i don't see how you are any different than those you keep pointing fingers at? in every single reply of yours you bring the word 'agenda' even though it is very clear that you have your own agenda which motivates you to defend GW2 and Anet at every given oppertunity.

Originally posted by Rimmersman

Originally posted by Jimmydean

Originally posted by botrytis

Originally posted by Jimmydean
Pretty sure Anet just scrapped everything GW2 was based upon.  And it might be enough to make me log in again.

They didn't scrap anything - understand the lore of the GW universe and all they are doing is returning things that were in GW1.

 

 

Lore has nothing to do with gear stat progression. But I'll take your comments under advisment. I'll place them right next to all of Aerowyn's posts about the entire game being endgame, and how exotics are the best items in game so there is no gear progression.

 

+1

There is no gear prgression - RELOOK at the pics. The stats are the same on those 2 pcs of armor - the only difference is one has the stats + a rune and the other is all stats + an infusion slot. IT IS NOT GEAR PROGRESSION lol

Originally posted by nationalcity

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Did you requote that with nothing else as if you're telling us all something?  Funny how people like you stop reading when it suits your needs.  All you had to do was read a few more lines.

They're adding progression of a sort, still probably nothing to make treadmill runners happy, while keeping with their gear philosophy.  And this is bad how?  More content with more weapons and armour of equivalent power is somehow bad in opposite world?

What do you mean when you say why is this bad?

You have actually seen the GW2 devs talking about the game right?

I mean come on they said spefically they were not going to go down this route and guess what now they are thats why its BAD....

It may just be a cape and a ring atm but soon its gonna be a full set and what do you thinks gonna happen after that set is obtained by everyone you think this is gonna be the end of it?

The thread on the offical forums has like 50,000 posts and you say why is this bad.....

How is it bad?  What is there not to understand here about the question.  It's simple really.  Explain why you think this is bad, not rattle off some vague stuff about "go[ing] down this route".

What route?  Did Arena Net come out and say there will never be progression changes?  There were progression additions in GW1, why not GW2?

Even if they did make a change to their design, so what does it matter if it still fits within the philosophy of no gear-treadmill / no planned obsolescence.  That is what their philosophy is about, that and keeping stat inflation to a minimum because it is a balance nightmare.

After people obtain the Ascended gear they can keep working for Legendary which is still BiS.

Originally posted by Whitebeards

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by Nitth

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Originally posted by 1vald2
Anyways, pointless talking to 99% of the people on this forum. You can smell the troll even before clicking on the threads

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Whats the point of a discussion if everyone has a unified viewpoint?

That would make sense if those people wanted to have a discussion but it's always the same 5 or 10 people with an agenda looking for the latest drama to latch onto.  It's not about game discussion.  Hell, some of them even got refunds on the game yet still come in to "discuss" their disgust.

And you don't have an agenda? i am neither a hater or a fanboy but someone  who is happy to see gear progression in GW2.  

But from where i stand i don't see how you are any different than those you keep pointing fingers at? in every single reply of yours you bring the word 'agenda' even though it is very clear that you have your own agenda which motivates you to defend GW2 and Anet at every given oppertunity.

Of course I have an agenda.  I actually play the game and like it.  I've been playing GW for years now.  I know exactly what I'm getting into and what I like and don't like about ANet.  I just choose my battles and don't hop on the latest hate train like those who pick something out of every press release and update.

By the way, if you're looking for progression like you see in other games, you're going to be very disappointed.

I told you folks you were worrying over nothing. Ascended gear stats are higher than Exotics (by a few points here or there) but still under those of Legendary weapons. IE progression is still largely latteral, so folks can stop screaming that the sky is falling now.

What is slightly worrying is the new Agony Mitigation. However if done right it won't be that big of a problem. So I have a wait and see attitude atm. Right now there are only two types of ascended gear, rings and back items. So if the mitigation state caps at +5 on each item, then that isn't a problem. However if dungeon level 6 requires at least +180 Agony Mitigation, then that is a serious problem that will split the community. But this is Anet, the only MMOG developer that I actually trust. They won't make such a stupid mistake.

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by Whitebeards

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by Nitth

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Originally posted by 1vald2
Anyways, pointless talking to 99% of the people on this forum. You can smell the troll even before clicking on the threads

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Whats the point of a discussion if everyone has a unified viewpoint?

That would make sense if those people wanted to have a discussion but it's always the same 5 or 10 people with an agenda looking for the latest drama to latch onto.  It's not about game discussion.  Hell, some of them even got refunds on the game yet still come in to "discuss" their disgust.

And you don't have an agenda? i am neither a hater or a fanboy but someone  who is happy to see gear progression in GW2.  

But from where i stand i don't see how you are any different than those you keep pointing fingers at? in every single reply of yours you bring the word 'agenda' even though it is very clear that you have your own agenda which motivates you to defend GW2 and Anet at every given oppertunity.

Of course I have an agenda.  I actually play the game and like it.  I've been playing GW for years now.  I know exactly what I'm getting into and what I like and don't like about ANet.  I just choose my battles and don't hop on the latest hate train like those who pick something out of every press release and update.

By the way, if you're looking for progression like you see in other games, you're going to be very disappointed.

Then please stop bringing up it in every single reply? everyone who posts here has an agenda. 

As far kind of progression i am looking for. Anet has stated in article that they will keep on introducing new ascended gears and upgrades. Right now even if the increase is little under 10%, it is good enough for me to upgrade my gear and weapons.  For a game whichw as all about cosmetic grind, any amount of difefrence in stats is good enough.