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  Greymantle4

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11/13/12 12:29:06 PM#21
Originally posted by TeknoBug

 


Originally posted by Koukikid

Originally posted by FrodoFragins  locking of the side action bars    
Hands down this.

This x2.

 

The same.

  mochipixels

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11/13/12 3:03:26 PM#22

The restrictions that made me do a double-take were the XP, UI and the mind-bogglingly contrived hide-helmet restriction.

You have to pay....to hide your helmet.  *sigh*

  keithian

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11/13/12 3:40:46 PM#23

I would have to agree with the OP. Those two annoy me the worst. 

I'm still not sure if I'll come back with these restrictions as to be a subscriber, I want the things I wrote to them about to be addressed which is more around making the cities/world feel more alive like in GW2 (inluding day/night cycles and other environmental aesthetics) and making the game feel more social so that the fleet is not the center of everything.

I may subscribe for one month, not sure. I barely have time for GW2 and I'm still enjoying that game even if the mid levels feel barren sometimes.

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  defector1968

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11/13/12 3:56:56 PM#24

of course the UI restrictions are the most hateful, its obvious why

if some1 knows ..... the f2p players can they get CC with any way? didnt read anything about it.

  mbd1968

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11/13/12 4:01:01 PM#25
I can't pick just one, their whole free2play model is rediculous. If they hadn't wasted all their money during developemnt they wouldn't be trying to niclel and dime us now in attempt to make a profit.
  tiefighter25

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11/13/12 4:01:26 PM#26
Originally posted by defector1968

of course the UI restrictions are the most hateful, its obvious why

if some1 knows ..... the f2p players can they get CC with any way? didnt read anything about it.

No. Cartel Coins are not obtainable in game in any form or fashion. (Unlike LOTRO or GW2). That's the bad news.

The good news is that EA is holding off on the unlock left hand turn so as not to have to make 3 consecutive right hand turns.

  mochipixels

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11/13/12 6:48:32 PM#27
Originally posted by defector1968

of course the UI restrictions are the most hateful, its obvious why

if some1 knows ..... the f2p players can they get CC with any way? didnt read anything about it.

Sadly no.  I wish you could earn them by some basic achievment grinding like in LOTRO.  However that would require EA to be less than the greedy entitiy it is.  I think I'm more eager to see how the F2P move gets received than I am about TOR actually going F2P.

  Zeppelin5083

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11/14/12 9:21:21 AM#28
After being excited at finally being able to level past 15, this makes me wonder if it's even worth it to have a F2P account.
  sapphen

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11/14/12 1:12:44 PM#29
Originally posted by Koukikid
Originally posted by FrodoFragins

 locking of the side action bars

Hands down this.

what?  pft, I'm just gonna cancel the update and not even bother.

Wait a sec, are people who bought the game going to lose their characters if they're not subscribed?

  Phry

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11/14/12 1:23:01 PM#30
The game went F2P, i cancelled my sub and abandoned the game, can't see anything positive about the F2P aspect of the game and the restrictions it places on it..  just wish i'd had time to finish the storyline of the 2 toons i did have, guess i'll never know how it would have ended now, and the storyline was the only reason to even play the game in the first place. Far as im concerned F2P was the absolutely worst thing they could do to the game, guess listening to the players really wasnt on their agenda, or perhaps we werent the players they were interested in..  deja vu.. again..
  sapphen

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11/14/12 1:40:28 PM#31
Originally posted by Phry
The game went F2P, i cancelled my sub and abandoned the game, can't see anything positive about the F2P aspect of the game and the restrictions it places on it..  just wish i'd had time to finish the storyline of the 2 toons i did have, guess i'll never know how it would have ended now, and the storyline was the only reason to even play the game in the first place. Far as im concerned F2P was the absolutely worst thing they could do to the game, guess listening to the players really wasnt on their agenda, or perhaps we werent the players they were interested in..  deja vu.. again..

They went with a very poor f2p model IMO.  I would've rather seen a less restrictive buy 2 play.  I really liked SWTOR, to me it was a great installment of the KOTOR series but after I finished the game it was over and no need for me to subscribe.

I think they would've been better to have made an expansion instead of putting in the time to convert it to a f2p.  It could've been a mini-expac and added in some of the stuff roleplayers have been asking for such as mini-games, races and open space flight.

I wonder who keeps making these retarded decisions in the gaming industry and how do they still have a job?  It takes a real pro to fubar a f2p model.  You would think that 'understanding the community' would be a major requirement of some of these important roles in the industry but they show us time and time again that half of them have no idea what they are doing.

  sapphen

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11/14/12 1:49:18 PM#32
Originally posted by mnwild1998

Man the mmorpg crowd is going the way of the our society. Whinning and crying because they want everything handed to them and FREE. Listen up if you want to put the time and effort in guess what you can make it to 50 free. This isnt handouts and Freebies to play.

Here are your choices, you pay $14.99/month and have no limitaiton or you play for free and have limitation. Crying and whining cause your cheap and you think you are entitled to play a video game for free will not change that.

Honestly, I feel like you're brining in a lot of the "subscribtion" argument into this.  The truth is that the game needs players more than players need it. 

When you have people complaining like this it's not because they are whinny and want a handout, it's because the designers did not do thier job in successfully promoting the product.  There have been some successful free to play models and those are the ones you don't notice.

  FrodoFragins

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OP  11/14/12 2:00:17 PM#33
Originally posted by mnwild1998

Man the mmorpg crowd is going the way of the our society. Whinning and crying because they want everything handed to them and FREE. Listen up if you want to put the time and effort in guess what you can make it to 50 free. This isnt handouts and Freebies to play.

Here are your choices, you pay $14.99/month and have no limitaiton or you play for free and have limitation. Crying and whining cause your cheap and you think you are entitled to play a video game for free will not change that.

Getting to level 50 for free sounds great until you realize that by level 30 you really NEED those side action bars.  Many people will quit because they are just so annoyed with the gimped UI.  EA is doing something I've never heard another F2P publisher do, they are restricting you from having a fully functional UI.  Their goal is to get EVERYONE to pay some money, rather than wowing them with their game and getting them to sub because they enjoyed leveling so much.

  sapphen

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11/14/12 2:01:04 PM#34
Originally posted by mnwild1998

See I would agree there are some good f2p games out there.  With games like LOTRO you will still have peopel whinning and crying because its too restrictive.  MMOPRG gamers (not all) seem to be demanding more and more FREE and if they dont get it they call it a failure.  Well we wil see how TOR does with F2P since its still 2 days away. 

Free to play, they can be restrictive as they want IMO.  I do think they should give players who actually bought the game less restrictions, that would at least give people a reason to buy the game.

From what I've gathered, some of the most successful free2play models give you full access to the game but charge for things you don't really need.  Limiting things like action bars is blantatly retarded.

I don't know much about LOTR, from what I understand they charge for quest packs which really isn't a bad idea.  There are some complaining from the community that you can overlook to a point.  Customers will take advantage if you let them.

  FrodoFragins

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OP  11/14/12 2:07:04 PM#35
Originally posted by sapphen
Originally posted by mnwild1998

See I would agree there are some good f2p games out there.  With games like LOTRO you will still have peopel whinning and crying because its too restrictive.  MMOPRG gamers (not all) seem to be demanding more and more FREE and if they dont get it they call it a failure.  Well we wil see how TOR does with F2P since its still 2 days away. 

Free to play, they can be restrictive as they want IMO.  I do think they should give players who actually bought the game less restrictions, that would at least give people a reason to buy the game.

From what I've gathered, some of the most successful free2play models give you full access to the game but charge for things you don't really need.  Limiting things like action bars is blantatly retarded.

I don't know much about LOTR, from what I understand they charge for quest packs which really isn't a bad idea.  There are some complaining from the community that you can overlook to a point.  Customers will take advantage if you let them.

LOTR has good and bad.  My understanding, as I'm a lifer and haven't tried leveling as F2P, is that not too long after finishing Bree, you will have to buy quest packs for regions in order to level without massive grinding to earn points.  Apparently you can grind the points needed by leveling a lot of characters on different servers and doing the exploring/killing deeds in low level areas.  That's great if you don't mind grinding and don't want to pay any cash.

 

My personal opinion is that they should let you play all of the release content for free.  If you want access to the expansions you have to buy them.  The same for character slots, classes ...

 

What's good is that as far as leveling goes you just unlock quest packs with one purchase.  I was turned off from AoC F2P because they didn't seem to offer those single unlocks.  They designed their system to get you to subscribe.  The fact is that if I wanted to sub to an MMO I'd more likely just return to WOW until I got bored again.

  Phry

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11/14/12 2:15:27 PM#36
Originally posted by sapphen
Originally posted by Phry
The game went F2P, i cancelled my sub and abandoned the game, can't see anything positive about the F2P aspect of the game and the restrictions it places on it..  just wish i'd had time to finish the storyline of the 2 toons i did have, guess i'll never know how it would have ended now, and the storyline was the only reason to even play the game in the first place. Far as im concerned F2P was the absolutely worst thing they could do to the game, guess listening to the players really wasnt on their agenda, or perhaps we werent the players they were interested in..  deja vu.. again..

They went with a very poor f2p model IMO.  I would've rather seen a less restrictive buy 2 play.  I really liked SWTOR, to me it was a great installment of the KOTOR series but after I finished the game it was over and no need for me to subscribe.

I think they would've been better to have made an expansion instead of putting in the time to convert it to a f2p.  It could've been a mini-expac and added in some of the stuff roleplayers have been asking for such as mini-games, races and open space flight.

I wonder who keeps making these retarded decisions in the gaming industry and how do they still have a job?  It takes a real pro to fubar a f2p model.  You would think that 'understanding the community' would be a major requirement of some of these important roles in the industry but they show us time and time again that half of them have no idea what they are doing.

If they had brought out an expansion for the game, i probably would have bought it,  assuming it was another world or 3 full of content that is, SW;TOR imo could have had regular expansions just from adding new worlds to the game, pretty sure the expanded universe had enough raw material for them to utilise. Going F2P though, imo, clear case of someone dropping the ball somewhere up in the management chain, trouble is, when things go pear shaped, its the people who make the game that get axed, not the ones  who decide what happens to it, or at least thats how it looks from outside..

  FrodoFragins

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OP  11/14/12 2:18:25 PM#37
Originally posted by Phry
Originally posted by sapphen
Originally posted by Phry
The game went F2P, i cancelled my sub and abandoned the game, can't see anything positive about the F2P aspect of the game and the restrictions it places on it..  just wish i'd had time to finish the storyline of the 2 toons i did have, guess i'll never know how it would have ended now, and the storyline was the only reason to even play the game in the first place. Far as im concerned F2P was the absolutely worst thing they could do to the game, guess listening to the players really wasnt on their agenda, or perhaps we werent the players they were interested in..  deja vu.. again..

They went with a very poor f2p model IMO.  I would've rather seen a less restrictive buy 2 play.  I really liked SWTOR, to me it was a great installment of the KOTOR series but after I finished the game it was over and no need for me to subscribe.

I think they would've been better to have made an expansion instead of putting in the time to convert it to a f2p.  It could've been a mini-expac and added in some of the stuff roleplayers have been asking for such as mini-games, races and open space flight.

I wonder who keeps making these retarded decisions in the gaming industry and how do they still have a job?  It takes a real pro to fubar a f2p model.  You would think that 'understanding the community' would be a major requirement of some of these important roles in the industry but they show us time and time again that half of them have no idea what they are doing.

If they had brought out an expansion for the game, i probably would have bought it,  assuming it was another world or 3 full of content that is, SW;TOR imo could have had regular expansions just from adding new worlds to the game, pretty sure the expanded universe had enough raw material for them to utilise. Going F2P though, imo, clear case of someone dropping the ball somewhere up in the management chain, trouble is, when things go pear shaped, its the people who make the game that get axed, not the ones  who decide what happens to it, or at least thats how it looks from outside..

There were some serious design issues with the game.  I'm not convinced management was responsible for it all.  Actually, I'm pretty sure the leads at Bioware can take most of the blame.  They had the budget and time, but seemed to not understand MMOs.

  User Deleted
11/14/12 2:19:22 PM#38

It's basically unplayable without a subscription, which is probably the point.  Most of the "restrictions" feel punitive rather than restrictive.  Stuff like not being able to hide your head slot, and the oft-mentioned action bar locks.  The real question I have is how often they are going to try and remind F2P players that they get upgrade while playing the game.  Is every new ability learned going to prompt the user that more action bars are available via sub or cartel points?

I plan on keeping my sub around for another month or two most likely, because I'm still enjoying the game.  I just can't see ever playing it "free" like I do LotRO, which means I won't be as likely to get an itch and resub on a whim.  Their loss.

  Gruug

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11/14/12 2:24:53 PM#39
Originally posted by mnwild1998

Man the mmorpg crowd is going the way of the our society. Whinning and crying because they want everything handed to them and FREE. Listen up if you want to put the time and effort in guess what you can make it to 50 free. This isnt handouts and Freebies to play.

Here are your choices, you pay $14.99/month and have no limitaiton or you play for free and have limitation. Crying and whining cause your cheap and you think you are entitled to play a video game for free will not change that.

 

This and the fact that NO so-called "f2p" game is really ever free. Frankly, I wish that no one ever came up with such a totally inaccurate if not down right false term as "free-to-play". I will be walking (or running as fast as I can) away from this game pretty soon. Won't play the "free" side nor the "subsidise the freeloaders" side of the game.

 

Let's party like it is 1863!

  saxifr

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11/14/12 2:38:07 PM#40
Originally posted by mnwild1998

Man the mmorpg crowd is going the way of the our society. Whinning and crying because they want everything handed to them and FREE. Listen up if you want to put the time and effort in guess what you can make it to 50 free. This isnt handouts and Freebies to play.

Here are your choices, you pay $14.99/month and have no limitaiton or you play for free and have limitation. Crying and whining cause your cheap and you think you are entitled to play a video game for free will not change that.

Thank you for bringing up the stunningly obvious...although you missed an option. People can choose to stay the hell away from this train wreck.

You seem to have an extremely low opinion of your fellow gamers. I think that most people would be willing to pay some money at least if this was a quality product with a good revenue scheme.

Instead it's all "What have you done for EA lately?" and "GIMME GIMME GIMME" on EA's part. 

Are you *really* going to argue that you believe their model is not going to drive far more players away than it will attract?

RELAX!@!! BREATHE!!!

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