I think I've decided that I was sticking to the last 4 mmo's I've bought 'no matter what' ... until the next one comes out :P  

To find a game that fits that bill is a tall order imho :P

Edit: Ok, since the OP thinks my post is 'stupid' (see his post below this one) then let's revisit his criteria:

1. A game that he wants to stick with no matter what (for years)

2. A game with meaningful crafting

3. A game with good pve

4. PvP that's more than 'button mashing'

Passing on WoW, GW2, and RIFT ... but considering TERA.

Like I said before, what he's asking is tough.  I can't think of an MMO that fits all of those all of his qualifications.  I would say that the closest would be GW2, but he's already stated he's not including it in his options.

play runescape.  It'll take over 2000 hours to max everything out if you do it efficiently :P

On a serious note, I want to do the same thing.  Im going to try it with darkfall.  Ive never really played the first one that much so if it isn't just a deathmatch in an mmo it seems like it has lasting potential

Greed Monger also looks like it has huge lasting potential, that is if you want to wait for a kickstarter project to actually evovle into something

Originally posted by hockeyplayr

play runescape.  It'll take over 2000 hours to max everything out if you do it efficiently :P 

 Heh, way longer than that. I've got 3 irl friends who since childhood have all put over 2000 hours into their runescape accounts each, myself included and we never got every skill to 99(13 mil) xp. And skills don't even cap until 200m xp, closest one of us got was my one friend with 10 skills at 99, he had 145 days played.

Originally posted by Pivotelite

Originally posted by hockeyplayr

play runescape.  It'll take over 2000 hours to max everything out if you do it efficiently :P 

 Heh, way longer than that. I've got 3 irl friends who since childhood have all put over 2000 hours into their runescape accounts each, myself included and we never got every skill to 99(13 mil) xp. And skills don't even cap until 200m xp, closest one of us got was my one friend with 10 skills at 99, he had 145 days played.

I logged in a years worth of hours in that game and I only had 1 skill to 99 across the 2 accounts i played.  In its prime it was a very fun game, and it looks like it still is for those who do not know what it was like back then (and thus miss the old days and quit)

Originally posted by Talint
Soooooo.. about TERA... haha

I have it.  It is a very fun combat system, but the questing is probably as typical as it can get.  Kill x and y of this. Go talk to that guy a little ways down the road. To me that was a turn off

Theres only one mmo that has filled this for me as of recent. 

Eve Online..

While im not playing it right now I do go back to it from time to time, It's the only game thats complex enough to hold my attention for more than a month at a time.

Originally posted by Talint
Soooooo.. about TERA... haha

 Well, I don't know what else to say really... I just don't expect many more than a handfull of people to find stuff to do in TERA for a year, unless BHS keeps releasing content like they have, which could keep someone coming back i'm sure.

There's two tiers of PvE gear and two tiers of PvP gear you could max out, theres two dungeons to obtain glyphs for your character and some pretty difficult endgame dungeons, one battleground and one 3v3 ranked arena coming out. If you think that's going to be enough for you for a long time, give it a go. Theres also achievements and daily quests for faction reputation if that is your thing.

Originally posted by Roxtarr

I think I've decided that I was sticking to the last 4 mmo's I've bought 'no matter what' ... until the next one comes out :P  

To find a game that fits that bill is a tall order imho :P

Edit: Ok, since the OP thinks my post is 'stupid' (see his post below this one) then let's revisit his criteria:

1. A game that he wants to stick with no matter what (for years)

2. A game with meaningful crafting

3. A game with good pve

4. PvP that's more than 'button mashing'

Passing on WoW, GW2, and RIFT ... but considering TERA.

Like I said before, what he's asking is tough.  I can't think of an MMO that fits all of those all of his qualifications.  I would say that the closest would be GW2, but he's already stated he's not including it in his options.

GW2 is far to shallow to play for "years" .  The OP needs something with a DEEP end game not mindless WvW and tumbling dungeon chaos.  I dont know maybe Vangaurd if you can get into the slightly dated graphics.  Remember the OP said years, there isnt much out with years worth of content that looks decent besides except maybe EQ2 , Vanguard,   WoW, Rift and GW2 were scratched from his list.

Originally posted by snapfusion

Originally posted by Roxtarr

I think I've decided that I was sticking to the last 4 mmo's I've bought 'no matter what' ... until the next one comes out :P  

To find a game that fits that bill is a tall order imho :P

Edit: Ok, since the OP thinks my post is 'stupid' (see his post below this one) then let's revisit his criteria:

1. A game that he wants to stick with no matter what (for years)

2. A game with meaningful crafting

3. A game with good pve

4. PvP that's more than 'button mashing'

Passing on WoW, GW2, and RIFT ... but considering TERA.

Like I said before, what he's asking is tough.  I can't think of an MMO that fits all of those all of his qualifications.  I would say that the closest would be GW2, but he's already stated he's not including it in his options.

GW2 is far to shallow to play for "years" .  The OP needs something with a DEEP end game not mindless WvW and tumbling dungeon chaos.  I dont know maybe Vangaurd if you can get into the slightly dated graphics.  Remember the OP said years, there isnt much out with years worth of content that looks decent besides except maybe EQ2 , Vanguard,   WoW, Rift and GW2 were scratched from his list.

Hence why I said GW2 is 'closest' by hitting most of the criteria.  I think finding ANY game to play for years is tough since the turnover is so high these days.

Wow, "stupid post". Nay sir I have one for you.

(this guy is a riot, attacking the first person to legitimately post)

You will find no such game, go play the oldies if you are wanting longevity they still exist.

You are leaning towards tera for longevity but rift is off your list?

Go play with yourself . I'm pretty sure that's the only longevity you'll find these days.

Oh better idea, form your own judgement and play some trials instead of having the community you attack hold your knobley thumb fingers.

Originally posted by MMObro
play wow

I would but its proving very difficult to find a surgeon that will give me the lobotomy I need to enjoy it .

You just need to get out there and try different games, otherwise you'll just keep sitting on your couch, watching Ice Road Truckers, and complaining about each and every suggestion that someone drops on the thread.

Oh this one is EASY.

Darkfall: UW.  Comes out on the 20th.  Has everything you need.

1) Best PvP in MMOs

2) Some of the most intense PvE with smart AI that dodges, retreats, regroups and flanks.

3) Player-driven economy where crafting is king and always needed.  Also, you sign what you've made.

4) A massive totally seamless world over 10 times the size of Kalimdor.

Originally posted by Pivotelite
There's nothing wrong with TERAs PvE, it's good, just the leveling process is a little archaic. However if it's an MMO you want to play for years TERA is not that, sure i've played it for 6 months, but unless you plan on leveling every character to 60 and maxing out endgame gear on them all you aren't going to last years in there, or any themepark. The only thing that should hold people for years are sandbox games.

I have to agree that questing was archaic, where I disagree is that I thought TERA's OWPVP was where it shined. I think you miss out on a lot of the game playing on a PVE server. OWPVP was implemented nicely.

Combat is great, but since the game's trashmob AI is braindead you hit the same 2-3 buttons outside dungeons and pvp. The graphics are also quite wonderful and, IMO, the best in any current MMO.

Questing was poor. Ditto the story. Community was so-so, too. A lot of weirdos who play elins.

If the game had BG's while levelling I would've subbed, but none until near endgame was a gamekiller for me (along with only one bg at endgame). One starting zone for every race/class ior levelling alts when there's no low level bg was disappointing

OP, why don't you like any of the major MMOs? Are you only into KRPGs?