Originally posted by fenistil

Originally posted by Orange_Z

Here we can see that GW2 topped even the Blade and Soul ! If you dont know They sold 5million copies of BnS

 

Provide link to source that B&S sold 5 million game copies.

I can give you just Russian link ) If you can understand anything : 

http://forum.blade-and-soul.ru/index.php/topic/4012-bns-100-days-overview/

Originally posted by Gdemami

I think OP cannot read the chart.

This is old news and discussed already.

GW2 sales are 45.841M KRW. 1 KRW = 0.000920048 USD

About 42M USD, which makes 700k units of GW2 at 60USD per unit.

Youre not so clever as you think ) Blade and soul' s Profit is about 3,5 million dollars. So, If you really think there are 32milliard of KRW, we can say, that NCsoft spend 30million dollars on the project. Really, do you think it's true ? It isnt, couse i read that BnS costs about 100 million dollars. So... Hope you understand me )

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Originally posted by Orange_Z

Youre not so clever as you think

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And you think you are cleaver by making up numbers and using flawed reasoning?

The chart numbers are clear, and you can deny them as much as you want but it won't change anything.

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Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by Orange_Z

Youre not so clever as you think

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And you think you are cleaver by making up numbers and using flawed reasoning?

The chart states clearly how much they sold. You can deny it as much as you can but you won't change facts.

Can you read previous posts ?)) I didnt want to say something bad or unkind, just "Dont think you're the smartest on the Earth". 

All Haters go to HELL !!! I found your *** link !

http://bns.plaync.com/letter/article/2395978

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by Orange_Z

Dont tell me what I must do. Really, even with bad english i can invite you to not so good places ... Really, not so good 

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Russian forums are teh bad places? :)

Sorry for being hostile but you are completely wrong and just do not listen when people point you out your errors...

Simly I try to hear you, But you didn't ry to hear me ) May be It's hard - I can just read, can't speak ) But I don't think my English is soo bad that you even can't understand what i want to say ! ))

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by Orange_Z

Can you read previous posts ?)) 

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I did and my response was appropriate.

Total sales of NCsoft for Q3 were about 167M.

If GW2 sold 5M units, the sales of GW2 alone would be 300M. Which is double of reported number.

Go trolling on your russian forums please.

Take a chill pill. Your math is even more flawed than his. NCSoft does not get $60 for every unit sold. They get far and far less. Even from digital sales on their website do they not get the full amount. 

Now from the amount shown in the graph it is impossible to tell how much they sold, because it will also include gem sales.

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Originally posted by Connmacart

Take a chill pill. Your math is even more flawed than his. NCSoft does not get $60 for every unit sold. They get far and far less. Even from digital sales on their website do they not get the full amount. 

Now from the amount shown in the graph it is impossible to tell how much they sold, because it will also include gem sales.

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Those are sales(revenue), not profits.

I was never arguing actual sales figure, the point is that even at best guess, they did not sell anything near OP is claiming.

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by Connmacart

 

Take a chill pill. Your math is even more flawed than his. NCSoft does not get $60 for every unit sold. They get far and far less. Even from digital sales on their website do they not get the full amount. 

Now from the amount shown in the graph it is impossible to tell how much they sold, because it will also include gem sales.

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Those are sales(revenue), not profits.

I was never arguing actual sales figure, the point is that even at best guess, they did not sell anything near OP is claiming.

Irrelevant that it is revenue not profits as you don't list another companies revenue as your own. So it's still not $60.

And you were very much arguing.

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by Connmacart

 

Take a chill pill. Your math is even more flawed than his. NCSoft does not get $60 for every unit sold. They get far and far less. Even from digital sales on their website do they not get the full amount. 

Now from the amount shown in the graph it is impossible to tell how much they sold, because it will also include gem sales.

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Those are sales(revenue), not profits.

I was never arguing actual sales figure, the point is that even at best guess, they did not sell anything near OP is claiming.

For men who don't know (I really don't know why you dont) BnS is ptp game with cash shop. For more information read Steparu or other interesting sites about eastern Games. MMO Culture, for example

Originally posted by Scalpless

Games are probably cheaper in Korea, so comparing the two like this is very far from accurate.

Most games in Korea. Even sub ones does not have client sale.  Just pay sub without box.  Subscription on the other hand can be more expensive than in USA and cost around 20$ per month.

Originally posted by Orange_Z

Originally posted by fenistil

Originally posted by Orange_Z

Here we can see that GW2 topped even the Blade and Soul ! If you dont know They sold 5million copies of BnS

 

Provide link to source that B&S sold 5 million game copies.

I can give you just Russian link ) If you can understand anything : 

http://forum.blade-and-soul.ru/index.php/topic/4012-bns-100-days-overview/

 

That's why I wanted a link from you. 

Blade & Soul does not have client sale. You get client for free and you just have to pay subsciption.

So they have not sold 4,5 mln copies.  Because they are not selling copies.  They had 4,5 millions of accounts created.

So your comparision is wrong from the start.

The world will now be able to sleep at night due to all this useful information that we have learned and have shared with our fellow mmorpgbbq people.

Silly people are just silly.

Originally posted by fenistil

Originally posted by Scalpless

Games are probably cheaper in Korea, so comparing the two like this is very far from accurate.

Most games in Korea. Even sub ones does not have client sale.  Just pay sub without box.  Subscription on the other hand can be more expensive than in USA and cost around 20$ per month.

 

Originally posted by Orange_Z

Originally posted by fenistil

Originally posted by Orange_Z

Here we can see that GW2 topped even the Blade and Soul ! If you dont know They sold 5million copies of BnS

 

Provide link to source that B&S sold 5 million game copies.

I can give you just Russian link ) If you can understand anything : 

http://forum.blade-and-soul.ru/index.php/topic/4012-bns-100-days-overview/

 

That's why I wanted a link from you. 

Blade & Soul does not have client sale. You get client for free and you just have to pay subsciption.

So they have not sold 4,5 mln copies.  Because they are not selling copies.  They had 4,5 millions of accounts created.

So your comparision is wrong from the start.

Oh, may be you're right ) I'm not sure, but ... What about time cards ? I dk but some American sites sales it for 25dollars, and the game was launched 4 months ago. Just I can't understand - is accounts free or isn't, couse sites sales it too (about 20 dollars). May be you're right, we'll see ) 

So, I tryed to listen you )) 

Originally posted by Gdemami

I think OP cannot read the chart.

This is old news and discussed already.

GW2 sales are 45.841M KRW. 1 KRW = 0.000920048 USD

About 42M USD, which makes 700k units of GW2 at 60USD per unit.

You know that game companies only get about 10 to 20 Dollars from those 60 your were mentioning. So if we would say that NC soft gets about 15 Dollars per sold box that means they probably sold around 3 million units so far. 

We dont know for sure if this graph also includes ingame store revenue so if we also take this in account i would give it a wild guess and say that they sold around 2.5 million copies of the game and the rest is digital sales.

2.5 to 3 million seems also much more realistic since Anet allready announced over a month ago that they have reached the milestone of 2 million copies.

Of cours my numbers are at the end only speculations (as all of our guesses are)  but if u take Anets official statement plus these recent sales figures in account 2 to 3 million seem much more legit than 700 000 or 5 millon.

Originally posted by moguy2

The world will now be able to sleep at night due to all this useful information that we have learned and have shared with our fellow mmorpgbbq people.

Silly people are just silly.

Yes MMO information on an MMO related website. How silly can poeple be :/

Originally posted by Orange_Z

Originally posted by fenistil

Originally posted by Scalpless

Games are probably cheaper in Korea, so comparing the two like this is very far from accurate.

Most games in Korea. Even sub ones does not have client sale.  Just pay sub without box.  Subscription on the other hand can be more expensive than in USA and cost around 20$ per month.

 

Originally posted by Orange_Z

Originally posted by fenistil

Originally posted by Orange_Z

Here we can see that GW2 topped even the Blade and Soul ! If you dont know They sold 5million copies of BnS

 

Provide link to source that B&S sold 5 million game copies.

I can give you just Russian link ) If you can understand anything : 

http://forum.blade-and-soul.ru/index.php/topic/4012-bns-100-days-overview/

 

That's why I wanted a link from you. 

Blade & Soul does not have client sale. You get client for free and you just have to pay subsciption.

So they have not sold 4,5 mln copies.  Because they are not selling copies.  They had 4,5 millions of accounts created.

So your comparision is wrong from the start.

Oh, may be you're right ) I'm not sure, but ... What about time cards ? I dk but some American sites sales it for 25dollars, and the game was launched 4 months ago. Just I can't understand - is accounts free or isn't, couse sites sales it too (about 20 dollars). May be you're right, we'll see ) 

So, I tryed to listen you )) 

You download client for free. So there is no buying game like it is in GW2 or WoW.   But you need to pay subscription to play. So that's why there are time cards.  They are sold for 25$ in western shops because in order to play Korean Blade & Soul and buy suscription 'officially' you need to live in Korea and have Korean Cell Phone number to validiate. 

So those shops sell Blade & Soul accounts for westerners for 10-20$ because westerners cannot make them by themself.  So people in Korea made free account and validiate them with their Korean Cell Phones and resell to those westerners who want to play korean B&S.  If you have friend, family or someone in Korea that will make account for you then you can get it for free.

Also korean time cards are sold by those 3rd party sites for ~25$ when official Korean price is more close to 20$ because westerners cannot buy it themself in Korea and those 3rd party sites are not charities. They have to earn money somehow right?  They cannot buy for 20$ and sell for 20$ :)

Originally posted by boxsnd
xfire rankings (the only way to accurately measure the success of an MMO). 

/facepalm

People say things like this purely to start fights, right?

Oh look, we're off and running on a brand new "my game sold more neener" "did not" "did so" "did not"

Must be Saturday.

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Originally posted by Orange_Z
Here we can see that GW2 topped even the Blade and Soul ! If you dont know They sold 5million copies of BnS and the game is more popular in Korea, than WoW. 

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How did they manage to make so little money from Blade & Soul?

As I understand it (correct me if I'm wrong), it has no upfront fee but a 23,000 KRW monthly sub.

32,662m KRW = approx. 1.4 million player/months at 23,000 KRW per month.